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Hi everyone,

I have two other machines, one of which will replace this one when I get the two newer ones talking to eachother.

Ok.
Primary ("server") machine is running Win2K SP4. The (RealTek) NIC is onboard. All looks fine according to device manager, although as this is my first network, I'm not sure exactly what should be there. The TCP/IP protocol is certainly there, and the NIC/devices are - according to device manager - "working properly"

Second ("client") machine is running Win98se. It also has a RealTek onboard NIC, and again, all looks good. I also installed a PCI Intel Pro100 NIC and installed all drivers - no problems according to device manager.

I connected the cable, and each machine says there's no connection. Both machines show the network icon in the lower right taskbar, both show the red "X" over the icon.

I disabled the onboard NIC on the client machine but it made no difference.
I enabled the onboard NIC, then disabled the Intel NIC, but again it made no difference.

I have no prior knowledge of networking two computers even in this basic configuration, so at this point, all I can say is.....
Help!

Oh, I checked the cable itself with a multimeter, and it's fine.

Any ideas welcome, thanks a bunch,
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Re: Networking Win2K and Win98se - help please.

OK, on the 2K machine, please do this:

Start, Run, CMD to open a command prompt:

Type the following two commands:

nbtstat -n

ipconfig /all

Right click in the command window and choose Select All, then hit Enter.
Paste the results in a message here.

If you are on a machine with no network connection, use a floppy, USB disk, or a CD-RW disk to transfer a text file with the information to allow pasting it here.



On the W98 machine, please do this, it's slightly different than the proceeding procedure.

Start, Run, COMMAND to open a command prompt:

Type the following two commands:

nbtstat -n

ipconfig /all

Right click in the command window and choose Select All, then hit Enter.
Paste the results in a message here.

If you are on a machine with no network connection, use a floppy, USB disk, or a CD-RW disk to transfer a text file with the information to allow pasting it here.
 

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Re: Networking Win2K and Win98se - help please.

Hi johnwill, here's what I got...

Win2k machine:

C:\>nbtstat -n

Local Area Connection:
Node IpAddress: [0.0.0.0] Scope Id: []

No names in cache

C:\>ipconfig /all

Windows 2000 IP Configuration

Host Name . . . . . . . . . . . . : primary
Primary DNS Suffix . . . . . . . :
Node Type . . . . . . . . . . . . : Broadcast
IP Routing Enabled. . . . . . . . : Yes
WINS Proxy Enabled. . . . . . . . : No

Ethernet adapter Local Area Connection:

Media State . . . . . . . . . . . : Cable Disconnected
Description . . . . . . . . . . . : Realtek RTL8139/810x Family Fast Ethernet NIC
Physical Address. . . . . . . . . : 00-40-CA-5B-B4-76
______________________________________________________

Win98 machine:

Windows 98 IP Configuration

Host Name . . . . . . . . . : MACHINE1
DNS Servers . . . . . . . . :
Node Type . . . . . . . . . : Broadcast
NetBIOS Scope ID. . . . . . :
IP Routing Enabled. . . . . : No
WINS Proxy Enabled. . . . . : No
NetBIOS Resolution Uses DNS : No

0 Ethernet adapter :

Description . . . . . . . . : PPP Adapter.
Physical Address. . . . . . : 44-45-53-54-00-00
DHCP Enabled. . . . . . . . : Yes
IP Address. . . . . . . . . : 0.0.0.0
Subnet Mask . . . . . . . . : 0.0.0.0
Default Gateway . . . . . . :
DHCP Server . . . . . . . . : 255.255.255.255
Primary WINS Server . . . . :
Secondary WINS Server . . . :
Lease Obtained. . . . . . . :
Lease Expires . . . . . . . :

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This may or may not be relevant, but I ran the commands with and without the cable plugged in - it was always reported as "disconnected".

Many thanks for having a look,
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Re: Networking Win2K and Win98se - help please.

johnwill,

Please disregard my previous post, as I have to re-run nbstat & ipconfig.

Here's why:
1.
I had the Intel NIC disabled on Win98 when I followed your instructions.

2.
When I re-ran the above, the command screen scrolled and I couldn't select to copy and paste.

3.
I selected "full screen" for command mode and don't know how to go back to a window-like screen.

4.
My TCP/IP protocol seems to have vanished and I can't seem to re-install it.

5.
The network icon has disappeared from the taskbar.

Aye yi yiii...the places you'll go.

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Re: Networking Win2K and Win98se - help please.

Hi johnwill, here it is...

Win2000Pro SP4 machine:

C:\>nbtstat -n

Local Area Connection:
Node IpAddress: [0.0.0.0] Scope Id: []

No names in cache

C:\>ipconfig /all

Windows 2000 IP Configuration

Host Name . . . . . . . . . . . . : primary
Primary DNS Suffix . . . . . . . :
Node Type . . . . . . . . . . . . : Broadcast
IP Routing Enabled. . . . . . . . : Yes
WINS Proxy Enabled. . . . . . . . : No

Ethernet adapter Local Area Connection:

Media State . . . . . . . . . . . : Cable Disconnected
Description . . . . . . . . . . . : Realtek RTL8139/810x Family Fast Ethernet NIC
Physical Address. . . . . . . . . : 00-40-CA-5B-B4-76
______________________________________________________

Win98se machine:

C:\>nbtstat -n


Node IpAddress: [169.254.228.203] Scope Id: []
NetBIOS Local Name Table

Name Type Status
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MACHINE1 <00> UNIQUE Registered
WORKGROUP <00> GROUP Registered
MACHINE1 <03> UNIQUE Registered
PETE <03> UNIQUE Registered

C:\>ipconfig /all /Batch [iptext]

Windows 98 IP Configuration

Host Name . . . . . . . . . : MACHINE1
DNS Servers . . . . . . . . :
Node Type . . . . . . . . . : Broadcast
NetBIOS Scope ID. . . . . . :
IP Routing Enabled. . . . . : No
WINS Proxy Enabled. . . . . : No
NetBIOS Resolution Uses DNS : No

0 Ethernet adapter :

Description . . . . . . . . : PPP Adapter.
Physical Address. . . . . . : 44-45-53-54-00-00
DHCP Enabled. . . . . . . . : Yes
IP Address. . . . . . . . . : 0.0.0.0
Subnet Mask . . . . . . . . : 0.0.0.0
Default Gateway . . . . . . :
DHCP Server . . . . . . . . : 255.255.255.255
Primary WINS Server . . . . :
Secondary WINS Server . . . :
Lease Obtained. . . . . . . :
Lease Expires . . . . . . . :

1 Ethernet adapter :

Description . . . . . . . . : PPP Adapter.
Physical Address. . . . . . : 44-45-53-54-00-00
DHCP Enabled. . . . . . . . : Yes
IP Address. . . . . . . . . : 0.0.0.0
Subnet Mask . . . . . . . . : 0.0.0.0
Default Gateway . . . . . . :
DHCP Server . . . . . . . . : 255.255.255.255
Primary WINS Server . . . . :
Secondary WINS Server . . . :
Lease Obtained. . . . . . . :
Lease Expires . . . . . . . :

2 Ethernet adapter :

Description . . . . . . . . : Intel(R) PRO/100+ Management Adapter
Physical Address. . . . . . : 00-90-27-0E-20-39
DHCP Enabled. . . . . . . . : Yes
IP Address. . . . . . . . . : 169.254.228.203
Subnet Mask . . . . . . . . : 255.255.0.0
Default Gateway . . . . . . :
DHCP Server . . . . . . . . : 255.255.255.255
Primary WINS Server . . . . :
Secondary WINS Server . . . :
Lease Obtained. . . . . . . : 11 23 07 8:07:03 PM
Lease Expires . . . . . . . :

Many thanks for looking at this,
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Re: Networking Win2K and Win98se - help please.

You have ICS enabled on the 2K machine, yet I see only one NIC. You need to disable ICS on that machine to start.

I assume you have no Internet sharing here, just two machine you cant to connect? You'll need to configure the IP addresses manually.

PC1
IP Address: 192.168.1.2
Subnet Address: 255.255.255.0
Leave the Default Gateway and DNS addresses blank.

PC1
IP Address: 192.168.1.3
Subnet Address: 255.255.255.0
Leave the Default Gateway and DNS addresses blank.

See if that gets them connected.
 

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Re: Networking Win2K and Win98se - help please.

Hi johnwill,

Thanks for your advice, I will follow your instructions and get back to you assuming I can fix these two new issues:

1.
The network icon has disappeared from the taskbar on the win98 machine.

2.
TCP/IP
NetTrans
This Device Has a Problem: Code=11 (0xB)
Device failure: Try changing the driver for this device. If that doesn't work, see your hardware documentation.
Registry Key:HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\enum\NETWORK\MSTCP0001

Pete.
 

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Re: Networking Win2K and Win98se - help please.

Hi again johnwill,

I configured the ip and subnet addresses.
I disabled each connection on each pc and then re-enabled, and they
both went looking for eachother, but each tells me that the cable's not connected.

I was unable to find how to disable the ICS option...for the life of me, I
can't find a "sharing tab" anywhere.

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Re: Networking Win2K and Win98se - help please.

I have to believe you have a bad cable, or it's not a crossover cable. It's really not this hard to connect two machines. :smile:
 

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Re: Networking Win2K and Win98se - help please.

Hi johnwill,

I have to believe you have a bad cable, or it's not a crossover cable. It's really not this hard to connect two machines. :smile:
Thanks for mentioning the cable. I'll get another one and see what happens. I've been thinking the same thing, that such a "simple" thing was becoming ridiculously impossible.

Cheers,
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Hello again,

I am new to this, so please bear with me, and thanks for your past
advice.

I have to believe you have a bad cable, or it's not a crossover cable. It's really not this hard to connect two machines. :smile:
I bought a new cable, cat5e UTP, but I'm still getting the "unplugged" balloon on each machine, so at least I've ruled out the cable as the
problem.

I'm wondering what "unplugged" means. Does is mean:
a) The NIC doesn't detect that a cable's even plugged in, or
b) That there is no connection to another pc, or
c) Both of the above?

Should I focus on one machine at a time?
The Win2K machine has an onboard RealTek RTL8139/810x NIC.

I assume that Device Manager "knows" that it's an RTL8139/810x because that's how it appears after the mainboard drivers are loaded.

I mention this becaue at this point I'm wondering whether the correct drivers are loaded.

The machines DO look for eachother, which seems to indicate some progress.

Additionally, I get a "connection failed" message now, which I didn't get
before.

I was going to leave it there, but I'll mention this also:
I assigned IP address and subnet as you advised, but noticed that neither is displayed in the "System Information" screen. This may mean
something, or nothing, I don't know:smile:

Many thanks again,
Pete
 

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Re: Networking Win2K and Win98se - help please.

You missed the "crossover" part of my post. A normal CAT5 cable is NOT correct to connect the two machines directly.
 

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Re: Networking Win2K and Win98se - help please.

Me again,

You missed the "crossover" part of my post. A normal CAT5 cable is NOT correct to connect the two machines directly.
Correct, I missed it!
OK.

COMPUTER 1

C:\>nbtstat -n

Local Area Connection:
ONode IpAddress: [192.168.1.2] Scope Id: []

NetBIOS Local Name Table

Name Type Status
---------------------------------------------
PRIMARY <00> UNIQUE Registered
PRIMARY <20> UNIQUE Registered
WORKGROUP <00> GROUP Registered
WORKGROUP <1E> GROUP Registered
WORKGROUP <1D> UNIQUE Registered
..__MSBROWSE__.<01> GROUP Registered
PRIMARY <03> UNIQUE Registered
ADMINISTRATOR <03> UNIQUE Registered

C:\>ipconfig /all

Host Name . . . . . . . . . . . . : primary
Primary DNS Suffix . . . . . . . :
Node Type . . . . . . . . . . . . : Broadcast
IP Routing Enabled. . . . . . . . : Yes
WINS Proxy Enabled. . . . . . . . : No

Ethernet adapter Local Area Connection:

Connection-specific DNS Suffix . :
Description . . . . . . . . . . . : Realtek RTL8139/810x Family Fast Ethernet NIC
Physical Address. . . . . . . . . : 00-40-CA-5B-B4-76
DHCP Enabled. . . . . . . . . . . : No
IP Address. . . . . . . . . . . . : 192.168.1.2
Subnet Mask . . . . . . . . . . . : 255.255.255.0
Default Gateway . . . . . . . . . :
DNS Servers . . . . . . . . . . . :

COMPUTER 2​

C:\>nbtstat -n
Local Area Connection 2:
Node IpAddress: [192.168.1.4] Scope Id: []

NetBIOS Local Name Table

Name Type Status
---------------------------------------------
PC2 <00> UNIQUE Registered
WORKGROUP <00> GROUP Registered
PC2 <20> UNIQUE Registered
WORKGROUP <1E> GROUP Registered
WORKGROUP <1D> UNIQUE Registered
..__MSBROWSE__.<01> GROUP Registered


C:\>ipconfig /all

Host Name . . . . . . . . . . . . : pc2
Primary DNS Suffix . . . . . . . :
Node Type . . . . . . . . . . . . : Broadcast
IP Routing Enabled. . . . . . . . : No
WINS Proxy Enabled. . . . . . . . : No

Ethernet adapter Local Area Connection 2:

Connection-specific DNS Suffix . :
Description . . . . . . . . . . . : Realtek RTL8139(A) PCI Fast Ethernet Adapter
Physical Address. . . . . . . . . : 00-10-DC-3E-A2-DF
DHCP Enabled. . . . . . . . . . . : No
IP Address. . . . . . . . . . . . : 192.168.1.4
Subnet Mask . . . . . . . . . . . : 255.255.255.0
Default Gateway . . . . . . . . . :
DNS Servers . . . . . . . . . . . :

One other thing I noticed re "File and Printer Sharing for Microsoft Networks" - the "properties" tab is not available to me. It's there, but
dimmed, and can't be clicked.

No more "unplugged" problem. (Unplugged only works for MTV)

Both pcs show they're connected, but that's all. I pinged from each end
but all pings times out.

But progress IS being made:wink:

Many many thanks,
Pete
 

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Hey johnwill,

On PC2, enable DHCP. (automatic IP addressing)
Did that - still not talking to eachother.

Pings now return "Destination Host Unreachable".

There's got to be something basic that's askew, this shouldn't be this difficult.

Any other diagnostics I can run that will identify my problem(s)?

For each pc, "Computers Near Me" on each pc shows only itself.

Also, for each pc, "Incoming Connections" shows devices "Lucent Modem" and "Direct Parallel(LPT1)", but no NICs.

I'm starting to feel a bit guilty coming back here with this:sigh:
If you have any good websites I can study, please let me know. The sites I've found and read so far have been either too basic or too involved.

Many thanks,
Pete
 

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LAN up and running. Had a whole history of problems, and the trail that led to solutions, ready to post here and then the power went off.:eek: One of few times I don't prepare the post on a separate document and save it as I write!

Shall post all details soon (I'm all typed out at the moment)
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Re: Networking Win2K and Win98se - help please.

I guess I'm too late to answer the previous questions. :grin:
 

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Hey johnwill,
I guess I'm too late to answer the previous questions. :grin:
Not at all!:wave:

I managed to keep notes about how I got things going, but there's one thing I did that's foggy, and made a big difference. When I get the story (saga) posted here you may be able to work out the foggy link for the benefit of others.

AND...there's the ICS I'll want to set up when PC1 replaces this old
bucket of bolts (though it's served me VERY well indeed). But I'll do a lot of TSF searching before I post -anything I need to setup ICS may already be here.

I certainly wouldn't have managed to get it done without your help. Please check back later to look through the saga. You're a good bloke, as we say in Aus.

Oh, since you popped your head up, and I'm a known loiterer of Amazon.com used books...can you recommend a good book on networking? I have Mark Minasi's "Mastering Windows 2000 Professional"
and it's a good book; but for the most part it takes you through the basics and I find it doesn't help troubleshoot much.

Thanks again,
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Re: Networking Win2K and Win98se - help please.

I truthfully have a large bookshelf of books on networking, and I almost never look at any of them. The only way I've been able to solve most issues is by experience and Google. :smile:
 
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