My son's dell dimension 2400 was running windows xp. He caught several viruses and the whole system crashed so we had to install a new operating system. I bought the computer used and we didnt have the original disks for it. I purchased windows 98 for it cause its what we could afford at the moment. It has been installed but I cant figure out how to get the internet to work. It seems like it is configured for dial up. The computer worked fine with DSL while I was running it with XP. Thanks in advance
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As for getting XP: you could call Dell, give them the serial number of your PC (and possibly the product key too) and they may mail you a Windows XP CD for a small fee.
For DSL, did you use PPPoE? AKA did you type in a user name and password to log in (kind of like dial-up)?
If yes, then you need a PPPoE driver (Windows XP has one built-in so you didn't need one then). Get RASPPPoE (freeware) from http://www.raspppoe.com
Read the documentation! It's not exactly obvious to use.
Once you download the file, unzip it (use 7-zip http://www.7-zip.org freeware - 98 doesn't have a built-in unzipper like XP). Then go to control panel and open networking. Click on add, then add a protocol. Click on have disk and browse to where you extracted your zip file. You may need to click to allow the unsigned driver to be installed 4 times per network adapter. Reboot. Make sure your modem is on. Then go to the command prompt (start, program, MS-DOS prompt). Then type raspppoe. If it says the command wasn't found then the system folder isn't in your path (default on windows 98). No problem. Type
cd \ (backslash, not forward slash like / )
cd windows
cd system
then type raspppoe again. The program should start. Click on the button to detect the connection, then click on the detected connection and set it to create a connection for it. You'll prob get a desktop shortcut (keep it or delete it doesn't matter). The main connection is in my computer, dial-up connections. When you open it, type in your username and password and you should get connected.
Important! If you're using Windows 98 Second Edition, get this patch as soon as you get on the internet. There's a bug that will cause Windows to hang when using RASPPPoE otherwise. (If you can install it prior to getting on the net, then even better).
http://support.microsoft.com/kb/243199
Misc: since you're using Windows 98 (now outdated), be sure to get a firewall and the latest patches from Microsoft (IE 6 SP1, DirectX 9.0c oct 2006, windows installer 2.0, WMP 9 (7.1 for 98 first edition), and updates from windowsupdate.microsoft.com ) and respective versions of firefox 2.0.0.20, java, adobe, and flash.
As for getting XP: you could call Dell, give them the serial number of your PC (and possibly the product key too) and they may mail you a Windows XP CD for a small fee.
For DSL, did you use PPPoE? AKA did you type in a user name and password to log in (kind of like dial-up)?
If yes, then you need a PPPoE driver (Windows XP has one built-in so you didn't need one then). Get RASPPPoE (freeware) from http://www.raspppoe.com
Read the documentation! It's not exactly obvious to use.
Once you download the file, unzip it (use 7-zip http://www.7-zip.org freeware - 98 doesn't have a built-in unzipper like XP). Then go to control panel and open networking. Click on add, then add a protocol. Click on have disk and browse to where you extracted your zip file. You may need to click to allow the unsigned driver to be installed 4 times per network adapter. Reboot. Make sure your modem is on. Then go to the command prompt (start, program, MS-DOS prompt). Then type raspppoe. If it says the command wasn't found then the system folder isn't in your path (default on windows 98). No problem. Type
cd \ (backslash, not forward slash like / )
cd windows
cd system
then type raspppoe again. The program should start. Click on the button to detect the connection, then click on the detected connection and set it to create a connection for it. You'll prob get a desktop shortcut (keep it or delete it doesn't matter). The main connection is in my computer, dial-up connections. When you open it, type in your username and password and you should get connected.
Important! If you're using Windows 98 Second Edition, get this patch as soon as you get on the internet. There's a bug that will cause Windows to hang when using RASPPPoE otherwise. (If you can install it prior to getting on the net, then even better).
http://support.microsoft.com/kb/243199
Misc: since you're using Windows 98 (now outdated), be sure to get a firewall and the latest patches from Microsoft (IE 6 SP1, DirectX 9.0c oct 2006, windows installer 2.0, WMP 9 (7.1 for 98 first edition), and updates from windowsupdate.microsoft.com ) and respective versions of firefox 2.0.0.20, java, adobe, and flash.
Re: Setting up DSL on Window 98
Hi,
Thanks for your reply.
Is there any other way besides downloading those programs? The computer cant log onto the internet to download them and my other computer is a mac so I cant download the programs onto that computer either.
Thanks for your help.
Hi,
Thanks for your reply.
Is there any other way besides downloading those programs? The computer cant log onto the internet to download them and my other computer is a mac so I cant download the programs onto that computer either.
Thanks for your help.
ray:So I went ahead and installed everything but when I click on the raspppoe icon I get this message:
RASPPPOE- No Dial Up Devices Found
Could not find any dial up services exposed by the PPP over Ethernet protocol.
Ive never used dial up on this computer.
I know the computer is capable of using dsl cause I used to have XP and it worked fine but Im having a lot of trouble getting dsl to run with W98
RASPPPOE- No Dial Up Devices Found
Could not find any dial up services exposed by the PPP over Ethernet protocol.
Ive never used dial up on this computer.
I know the computer is capable of using dsl cause I used to have XP and it worked fine but Im having a lot of trouble getting dsl to run with W98
How is your DSL connection set up when you were on XP? You never answered the question in #2 when I first asked it.
From what I've encountered there's 2 ways (maybe more) to do DSL:
PPPoA (point-to-point protocol over ATM): you have an always-on DSL connection. No typing of username or password needed. Your PC will have a private IP address that's on the same network as the modem, and you'll communicate with the modem by typing its IP address in your browser window (it'll be something like http://192.168.0.10 or something).
PPPoE (point-to-point protocol over Ethernet): the connection acts like a dial-up connection. when you want to get on the net, you connect by typing a username and password. this requires a PPPoE driver to encapsulates the data sent to the modem. RASPPPoE and WinPoEt were the two popular ones before Windows XP had its own driver.
In both cases, you connect the phone line to the modem, then you connect the modem to your PC using an ethernet cable (the cable connects to your network card on your PC). There are modems that can use either protocol, but ultimately it's your ISP that determines which protocol is used. If you're unsure, just look in the documentation that came with your modem or on your ISP's web site. Some ISP's will give you an installation CD to go with the modem too.
If you're sure it's PPPoE, check two things: 1. is the modem on? and is the signal light on (or solid, or whatever it should be (for your model) to say it's connected to the ISP)? 2. did you install the protocol on the right adapter? Go to control panel, network. The box looks something like this:
http://www.wells.edu/Images3/network98-1.jpg
There should be a line that has RASPPPoE and the name of the network adapter it should go with. For example you have two network adapters. The one that is connected to the DSL modem should have a binding (I think that's the right term) for RASPPPoE.
From what I've encountered there's 2 ways (maybe more) to do DSL:
PPPoA (point-to-point protocol over ATM): you have an always-on DSL connection. No typing of username or password needed. Your PC will have a private IP address that's on the same network as the modem, and you'll communicate with the modem by typing its IP address in your browser window (it'll be something like http://192.168.0.10 or something).
PPPoE (point-to-point protocol over Ethernet): the connection acts like a dial-up connection. when you want to get on the net, you connect by typing a username and password. this requires a PPPoE driver to encapsulates the data sent to the modem. RASPPPoE and WinPoEt were the two popular ones before Windows XP had its own driver.
In both cases, you connect the phone line to the modem, then you connect the modem to your PC using an ethernet cable (the cable connects to your network card on your PC). There are modems that can use either protocol, but ultimately it's your ISP that determines which protocol is used. If you're unsure, just look in the documentation that came with your modem or on your ISP's web site. Some ISP's will give you an installation CD to go with the modem too.
If you're sure it's PPPoE, check two things: 1. is the modem on? and is the signal light on (or solid, or whatever it should be (for your model) to say it's connected to the ISP)? 2. did you install the protocol on the right adapter? Go to control panel, network. The box looks something like this:
http://www.wells.edu/Images3/network98-1.jpg
There should be a line that has RASPPPoE and the name of the network adapter it should go with. For example you have two network adapters. The one that is connected to the DSL modem should have a binding (I think that's the right term) for RASPPPoE.
Hi,
Im sorry, Im terrible with computer terms.
I bought this computer used on ebay. When I first got it, it had windows xp and all I had to do was plug in my ethernet cord and I was good to go in regards to browsing the internet.
When I click the network icon this is what appears
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I connect to my DSL by an ethernet cord that connects to this
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DSL is always on and works fine on my MAC G4 and Macbook
Thank you so much for all of your help with this. I have a 7 year old who is making me miserable every day that goes by without his access to club penguin lol
Im sorry, Im terrible with computer terms.
I bought this computer used on ebay. When I first got it, it had windows xp and all I had to do was plug in my ethernet cord and I was good to go in regards to browsing the internet.
When I click the network icon this is what appears
I connect to my DSL by an ethernet cord that connects to this
DSL is always on and works fine on my MAC G4 and Macbook
Thank you so much for all of your help with this. I have a 7 year old who is making me miserable every day that goes by without his access to club penguin lol
I notice you don't have an ethernet card listed in there. Do you have your drivers installed? For anything really (I also notice you're in 16 colors... meaning graphics drivers are not installed).
To see the list of devices, right click My Computer, pick properties, and then look in the device manager tab. You will probably see a whole bunch of devices with yellow exclamation marks (they don't have drivers for them).
Like I mentioned earlier, I strongly urge you to call Dell and get a recovery CD. I assure you it's only a small fee and not the full price of Windows XP! The reason they can do that is because it's an OEM version (and therefore tied to your PC). It wouldn't work on any other model except this one, and they have arrangements with Microsoft to get licenses in bulk for less than you'd pay for the retail version.
You mentioned your PC was a Dell Dimension 2400. I looked on Dell's page and all the listed drivers seem to be for Windows XP! (Seems it was shipped with XP in mind). I'm going to start searching for drivers. Be back in a bit.
To see the list of devices, right click My Computer, pick properties, and then look in the device manager tab. You will probably see a whole bunch of devices with yellow exclamation marks (they don't have drivers for them).
Like I mentioned earlier, I strongly urge you to call Dell and get a recovery CD. I assure you it's only a small fee and not the full price of Windows XP! The reason they can do that is because it's an OEM version (and therefore tied to your PC). It wouldn't work on any other model except this one, and they have arrangements with Microsoft to get licenses in bulk for less than you'd pay for the retail version.
You mentioned your PC was a Dell Dimension 2400. I looked on Dell's page and all the listed drivers seem to be for Windows XP! (Seems it was shipped with XP in mind). I'm going to start searching for drivers. Be back in a bit.
First before you do anything, right-click on my computer, then click properties.
Does it say Windows 98, or does it say Windows 98 Second Edition?
Big difference because some drivers only go as far back as SE and won't cover the first edition.
The network adapter seems to be integrated, and seems to be a Broadcom 4401. The driver provided by Dell only works for Windows 2000 and XP. I looked on broadcom's site and they have Windows 98 SE drivers:
http://www.broadcom.com/support/ethernet_nic/4401.php
They don't have any drivers for Windows 98 first edition though.
Furthermore the drivers seem to require manual installation. Once you download the zip, extract it (right-click and pick extract here (as opposed to extract to [folder name] as you would usually do)). Now go to device manager (right-click my computer, properties, device manager tab. Double-click on the device that most looks like a network card (ethernet adapter, network adapter, whatever). Go to the drivers tab, and click update driver. (If memory serves) you can manually pick a location to search. Browse for where you extracted the files. It should then detect the card.
You may get prompted about unsigned drivers 4 times - that's the PPPoE driver. Just say yes each time.
After you reboot, try running raspppoe again.
If it fails, and you suspect your connection may be PPPoA, go to control panel, network. Double-click your network card (it should have the green "icon" to the left kind of like "dial-up adapter" but probably with a name like broadcom adapter). Look under the IP address tab. At this point, call your ISP and ask them how to fill out each box (or look in the manual for your modem). You'll have to fill in the IP address, the subnet mask, and the default gateway.
Does it say Windows 98, or does it say Windows 98 Second Edition?
Big difference because some drivers only go as far back as SE and won't cover the first edition.
The network adapter seems to be integrated, and seems to be a Broadcom 4401. The driver provided by Dell only works for Windows 2000 and XP. I looked on broadcom's site and they have Windows 98 SE drivers:
http://www.broadcom.com/support/ethernet_nic/4401.php
They don't have any drivers for Windows 98 first edition though.
Furthermore the drivers seem to require manual installation. Once you download the zip, extract it (right-click and pick extract here (as opposed to extract to [folder name] as you would usually do)). Now go to device manager (right-click my computer, properties, device manager tab. Double-click on the device that most looks like a network card (ethernet adapter, network adapter, whatever). Go to the drivers tab, and click update driver. (If memory serves) you can manually pick a location to search. Browse for where you extracted the files. It should then detect the card.
You may get prompted about unsigned drivers 4 times - that's the PPPoE driver. Just say yes each time.
After you reboot, try running raspppoe again.
If it fails, and you suspect your connection may be PPPoA, go to control panel, network. Double-click your network card (it should have the green "icon" to the left kind of like "dial-up adapter" but probably with a name like broadcom adapter). Look under the IP address tab. At this point, call your ISP and ask them how to fill out each box (or look in the manual for your modem). You'll have to fill in the IP address, the subnet mask, and the default gateway.
For your chipset, the Dell drivers will work if you have Windows 98 SE: they work for Windows 2000, XP, and 98 SE.
http://support.dell.com/support/top...splash?c=us&l=en&s=gen&~mode=popup&file=56457
(Just unzip and run setup)
For the Intel integrated graphics for the 845G chipset, Dell only provides drivers for Windows 2000 and XP. If you go on the Intel site, you'll find drivers for Windows 98 SE
http://downloadcenter.intel.com/fil...e=Windows*+98+SE&lang=eng&strOSs=18&submit=Go!
Again, Windows 98 First Edition is not supported. The two downloads on that page are the same. One is zipped, the other isn't.
For audio, you have to find out which audio card you have:
Analog Devices Inc (ADI) 198x integrated audio
sound blaster live! 24-bit
sound blaster live! 5.1 digital
You most likely have the first one if it's integrated audio as opposed to a sound card. Look in the back of the case.
Some place, you may see standing cards like these
http://www.computerhope.com/jargon/c/connect.jpg (bottom with zoom-in image at bottom right)
If one looks like this:
http://www.microsoft.com/library/media/1033/windowsxp/images/using/mce/expert/sound_sound_card.jpg
it's probably a standalone sound card. If the audio connectors look more like this:
http://www.pantherproducts.co.uk/Articles/images/Motherboard ext.jpg (look at number 5)
then it's probably integrated with the motherboard.
I'll go with the ADI drivers first. Again the Dell drivers only support Windows 2000 and XP. I haven't located Windows 98 drivers yet but I'm still looking.
For the sound blaster cards you can go here
http://support.creative.com/Products/product_list.aspx?catID=1&CatName=Sound+Blaster
Apparently the sound blaster live 24-bit doesn't have Windows 98 (nor 98 SE) drivers at all. The sound blaster live 5.1 does. Click under the product archive column, sound blaster live 5.1 digital (dell). then scroll all the way to the bottom. on the left click windows 98 (or 98 se) and pick driver.
That's it for now. Feel free to mention how many yellow exclamation marks you have left in device manager.
http://support.dell.com/support/top...splash?c=us&l=en&s=gen&~mode=popup&file=56457
(Just unzip and run setup)
For the Intel integrated graphics for the 845G chipset, Dell only provides drivers for Windows 2000 and XP. If you go on the Intel site, you'll find drivers for Windows 98 SE
http://downloadcenter.intel.com/fil...e=Windows*+98+SE&lang=eng&strOSs=18&submit=Go!
Again, Windows 98 First Edition is not supported. The two downloads on that page are the same. One is zipped, the other isn't.
For audio, you have to find out which audio card you have:
Analog Devices Inc (ADI) 198x integrated audio
sound blaster live! 24-bit
sound blaster live! 5.1 digital
You most likely have the first one if it's integrated audio as opposed to a sound card. Look in the back of the case.
Some place, you may see standing cards like these
http://www.computerhope.com/jargon/c/connect.jpg (bottom with zoom-in image at bottom right)
If one looks like this:
http://www.microsoft.com/library/media/1033/windowsxp/images/using/mce/expert/sound_sound_card.jpg
it's probably a standalone sound card. If the audio connectors look more like this:
http://www.pantherproducts.co.uk/Articles/images/Motherboard ext.jpg (look at number 5)
then it's probably integrated with the motherboard.
I'll go with the ADI drivers first. Again the Dell drivers only support Windows 2000 and XP. I haven't located Windows 98 drivers yet but I'm still looking.
For the sound blaster cards you can go here
http://support.creative.com/Products/product_list.aspx?catID=1&CatName=Sound+Blaster
Apparently the sound blaster live 24-bit doesn't have Windows 98 (nor 98 SE) drivers at all. The sound blaster live 5.1 does. Click under the product archive column, sound blaster live 5.1 digital (dell). then scroll all the way to the bottom. on the left click windows 98 (or 98 se) and pick driver.
That's it for now. Feel free to mention how many yellow exclamation marks you have left in device manager.
OK I found Windows 98 SE drivers for the ADI 198x integrated audio:
http://support.dell.com/support/top...splash?c=us&l=en&s=gen&~mode=popup&file=67126
http://support.dell.com/support/top...splash?c=us&l=en&s=gen&~mode=popup&file=67126
I had contacted Dell but since I am not the original owner of the computer they could not provide me with a disk so they suggested that I purchase a new operating system.
I am running windows 98 second edition.
Ive run out of blank CDs and the computer wont recognize my flash drive so Ill have to try downloading everything tomorrow.
When I start up the computer I get a message that states
Your display adapter conflicts with another device in your computer.
To view properties click ok
When I click ok I get
Standard PCI Graphics Adapter (VGA)
Hardware version 001
Device status- This device cannot find any free input/output rangs (I/0) resources to use (code 12)
Guessing this will be fixed after downloading the drivers.
I have exclamation marks for
Standard PCI Graphics Adapter (VGA)
Existing N dis2 driver
PCI Ethernet Controller
PCI Multimedia Audio Device
PCI System Management Bus
Unknown Device
I am running windows 98 second edition.
Ive run out of blank CDs and the computer wont recognize my flash drive so Ill have to try downloading everything tomorrow.
When I start up the computer I get a message that states
Your display adapter conflicts with another device in your computer.
To view properties click ok
When I click ok I get
Standard PCI Graphics Adapter (VGA)
Hardware version 001
Device status- This device cannot find any free input/output rangs (I/0) resources to use (code 12)
Guessing this will be fixed after downloading the drivers.
I have exclamation marks for
Standard PCI Graphics Adapter (VGA)
Existing N dis2 driver
PCI Ethernet Controller
PCI Multimedia Audio Device
PCI System Management Bus
Unknown Device
PCI Graphics Adapter is the graphics card (probably the Intel integrated graphics)
not sure about ndis driver. could be the pppoe driver or something else not working.
PCI Ethernet Controller is the network/ethernet card
PCI multimedia audio device is the sound card.
PCI system management bus is probably something related to the chipset.
unknown device is ?
The beauty of CD-RW is you can delete what's on it and write on it again - that's why I suggested using that for file transfers. If you used a CD-R for something so trivial you'd be wasting CD's!
You can also get drivers for your flash drive. To be safe you probably want to install the chipset drivers first. Then install this: http://www.technical-assistance.co.uk/kb/usbmsd98.php
If after installing the graphics drivers you're still getting the conflict you just mentioned, set the settings manually. There's a tab for advanced stuff like that (resources tab maybe?) Just pick manual configuration and tweak the settings a bit.
not sure about ndis driver. could be the pppoe driver or something else not working.
PCI Ethernet Controller is the network/ethernet card
PCI multimedia audio device is the sound card.
PCI system management bus is probably something related to the chipset.
unknown device is ?
The beauty of CD-RW is you can delete what's on it and write on it again - that's why I suggested using that for file transfers. If you used a CD-R for something so trivial you'd be wasting CD's!
You can also get drivers for your flash drive. To be safe you probably want to install the chipset drivers first. Then install this: http://www.technical-assistance.co.uk/kb/usbmsd98.php
If after installing the graphics drivers you're still getting the conflict you just mentioned, set the settings manually. There's a tab for advanced stuff like that (resources tab maybe?) Just pick manual configuration and tweak the settings a bit.
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