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Hey guys,

I'm looking to find a video card for my PC - My motherboard is quite old now. I searched this site and found PC wizard 09 software to determine which cards I can use but I'm still unsure.

Could you tell me if I could use this card http://www.amazon.co.uk/Sapphire-HD4...ref=pd_cp_ce_1

Here's my report:

PCI-Express Information :
Number of connectors : 1
PCI-Express Base : 0xE0000000

Bus PCI-Express :
Device : CN896/VN896/P4M900 PCI to PCI Bridge Controller
Version : 1.0
Port : 0
Physical Slot : #0
Slot Populated : No
Link Width : max. x16
Link Speed : 2.5 GB/s

Bus PCI-Express :
Device : CN896/VN896/P4M900 PCI to PCI Bridge Controller
Version : 1.0
Port : 1
Physical Slot : #0
Slot Populated : No
Link Width : max. x1
Link Speed : 2.5 GB/s

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General Information :
Number of PCI Bus : 4
Number of PCI Connectors : 5

Peripheral Type :
Device 1, Bus 0 : AGP
Device 3, Bus 0 : PCI-Express
Device 4, Bus 0 : PCI-Express
Device 1, Bus 1 : AGP

General Features :
Support PCI Mechanism 1 : Yes

Bus Information #0 :
Device : CN896/VN896/P4M900 Host Bridge
Device : CN896/VN896/P4M900 Host Bridge
Device : CN896/VN896/P4M900 Host Bridge
Device : CN896/VN896/P4M900 Host Bridge
Device : CN896/VN896/P4M900 Host Bridge
Device : CN896/VN896/P4M900 I/O APIC Interrupt Controller
Device : CN896/VN896/P4M900 Security Device
Device : CN896/VN896/P4M900 Host Bridge
Device : ProSavageDDR P4X600,Apollo KT400/A/600 CPU to AGP Bridge
Device : CN896/VN896/P4M900 PCI to PCI Bridge Controller
Device : CN896/VN896/P4M900 PCI to PCI Bridge Controller
Device : Serial ATA Controller
Device : VT82xxxx EIDE Controller (All VIA Chipsets)
Device : VT82xxxxx USB UHCI Controller (All VIA Chipsets)
Device : VT82xxxxx USB UHCI Controller (All VIA Chipsets)
Device : VT82xxxxx USB UHCI Controller (All VIA Chipsets)
Device : VT82xxxxx USB UHCI Controller (All VIA Chipsets)
Device : VT6202/12 USB EHCI Controller
Device : VT8237A Standard PCI to ISA Bridge
Device : VT8251 Ultra VLINK Controller
Device : VT8237A Standard PCI to PCIe Bridge
Device : VT8237A Standard PCI to PCI Bridge

Bus Information #1 :
Device : Chrome9 HC IGP

Bus Information #4 :
Device : RTL8139/810x Fast Ethernet Adapter

Bus Information #128 :
Device : High Definition Audio Controller

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Sorry if I've broken any forum rules.

Thanks Humo.
 

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I don't know how to interpret that report, maybe another team member could but not I.

It would be easier to list your PC specs:
Motherboard (brand, model, main chipset)
CPU (brand, model, clock speed)
RAM (amount, format, speed)
Graphics card (brand, model)
Power supply (brand, model, wattage, amps on +12V rail)

We need all of those. Alternatively, if you have a premade PC just give us the brand and model of that and we can find out what we need ourselves.
 

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I don't know how to interpret that report, maybe another team member could but not I.

It would be easier to list your PC specs:
Motherboard (brand, model, main chipset)
CPU (brand, model, clock speed)
RAM (amount, format, speed)
Graphics card (brand, model)
Power supply (brand, model, wattage, amps on +12V rail)

We need all of those. Alternatively, if you have a premade PC just give us the brand and model of that and we can find out what we need ourselves.
Hello thanks for the help and here you are,

Mainboard : DIXONSXP P4M900-8237A
Chipset : VIA P4M900
Processor : Intel Pentium D @ 3333 MHz
Physical Memory : 1024 MB (2 x 512 DDR2-SDRAM )
Video Card : VIA Chrome9 HC IGP WDDM (on board graphics)
DVD-Rom Drive : ATAPI DVD A DH18A1P ATA Device
Operating System : Windows Vista (TM) Home Basic Home Edition 6.00.6002 Service Pack 2
DirectX : Version 10.00

My power supply is 450w max.

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Here's a picture of my slots (I'm hoping the light green one is a PCi express x16)



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I've found this card which I might buy depending on if it's compatible.

http://www.ebuyer.com/product/169294
 

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Ebuyer.com appears to be down, for me at least.

That looks like a PCIe x16 slot, probably 1.0 or 1.1. I can't find any info on your motherboard so I don't know if the BIOS will support a PCIe 2.0 card.

We also need the brand and model # of the power supply, many PSUs have dishonest wattage ratings and we need to see if it's from a reputable brand.

Anything over a 9600GT/4670 is going to be severely handicapped by the Pentium D processor.
 

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Ebuyer.com appears to be down, for me at least.

That looks like a PCIe x16 slot, probably 1.0 or 1.1. I can't find any info on your motherboard so I don't know if the BIOS will support a PCIe 2.0 card.

We also need the brand and model # of the power supply, many PSUs have dishonest wattage ratings and we need to see if it's from a reputable brand.

Anything over a 9600GT/4670 is going to be severely handicapped by the Pentium D processor.
Ok I'll open my case again now. Yes my motherboard is very rare and very cheap :p that's PC world for you :(

ok

Win Power model ATX - 450

OUTPUT:
+12V 20A MAX
+5V 40A MAX

+3.3V 28A MAX
-5V 0.5 MAX
-12V 0.8 MAX

+5V/SB 2.0A MAX

INPUT:
115VAC
10A MAX
60HZ
230VAC
5A MAX
50HZ

That's all the writing.
 

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20A on the +12V rail makes it a 300W power supply (12*20 = 240, 240/.8 = 300). WinPower... is not very good.

If the board is a real cheap-o then I doubt it has PCIe 2.0 support... You're going to have trouble finding a compatible graphics card, but you can get an upgrade. I think this is the best I can recommend without a PSU upgrade:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814130313

You can also get 9500GTs that are PCIe 1.0, but they'll have trouble on that power supply, especially if the PSU is more than a couple of years old. Even for the 8400GS it's a tight squeeze, but it will work.
 

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By cheap I mean it was a bundle PC - I didn't buy the motherboard. I can't use newegg as they don't deliver to the UK.

Is that true about the PSU? damn that sucks. Is ebuyer working for you yet?

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Nope, still timing out. Could you just name it, or find it on scan.co.uk or overclockers.co.uk?
ha I was just thinking about doing that:

Graphics Engine - ATI Radeon HD 4350
Bus Standard - PCI Express 2.0
Video Memory - DDR2 512MB
Effective Memory Size - 512 MB
Effective Memory Bandwidth - 64-bit
Engine Clock - 600 MHz
Memory Clock - 800 MHz ( 400 MHz DDR2 )
Memory Interface - 64-bit
CRT Max Resolution - 2048 x 1536
DVI Max Resolution - 2560 x 1600
D-Sub Output - Yes x 1
DVI Output - Yes x 1 (DVI-I)
HDMI Output - Yes x 1
HDCP Support - YesLow Profile Bracket Bundled Yes ( 2 slots )

I see it's a 2.0 card and looking at my first post I think I have 1.0 I've just read that 2.0 still work in 16x is this true? if it does I just need to see if I have enough power supplied?
 

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+12V 20A MAX
+5V 40A MAX

+3.3V 28A MAX
Yeah, see this PSU is designed for a Pentium 3 era computer, which drew a lot more from the +5V rail than modern computers. Modern PCs draw 80% of their power from the +12V rail at least, so the way to estimate true wattage is to take the power on the 12V rail (12V * 20A = 240W) and divide by 80% (240/.8 = 300) to give you the real power rating on a modern computer: 300W.

The PSU can probably deliver 450W (maybe. Barely. It might *not* burst into flames), but a lot of it is going to be unusable because you need power on the +12V rail, and a big chunk of its power is only available at +5V. It has 200W on the +5V rail, but you won't be drawing more than 25W from that rail. So for all intents and purposes it's a 300W.
 

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I see it's a 2.0 card and looking at my first post I think I have 1.0 I've just read that 2.0 still work in 16x is this true? if it does I just need to see if I have enough power supplied?
Well, it is backwards compatible but the manufacturer has to provide a BIOS patch in order for that to happen. If your computer is older than ~2006 then you will almost definitely need a BIOS update to make it work with PCIe 2.0, and if the manufacturer didn't provide a BIOS update... Then you're out of luck.
 

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Yeah, see this PSU is designed for a Pentium 3 era computer, which drew a lot more from the +5V rail than modern computers. Modern PCs draw 80% of their power from the +12V rail at least, so the way to estimate true wattage is to take the power on the 12V rail (12V * 20A = 240W) and divide by 80% (240/.8 = 300) to give you the real power rating on a modern computer: 300W.

The PSU can probably deliver 450W (maybe. Barely. It might *not* burst into flames), but a lot of it is going to be unusable because you need power on the +12V rail, and a big chunk of its power is only available at +5V. So for all intents and purposes it's a 300W.
Do you think 300W would handle the card? If my house sets on fire I will hold you personally responsible :p only kidding.

Well, it is backwards compatible but the manufacturer has to provide a BIOS patch in order for that to happen. If your computer is older than ~2006 then you will almost definitely need a BIOS update to make it work with PCIe 2.0, and if the manufacturer didn't provide a BIOS update... Then you're out of luck.
Ah I'm not sure if the company is even still around I doubt they would have a bios update :(
 

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A very low-end card might work, but once you take into account that the amount of power a PSU can deliver goes down over time... I'd replace it to be safe. A Corsair CX400W could power a 9500GT, and there are PCIe 1.x versions of those cards.
 
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