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Hello:wave:;

I am quite new here:smooch:. Friend encouraged me to ask here so here goes :)

First time to use Everest Ultimate on a pc(EVEREST v4.60.1500PX). And I just wanna ask for explanations on a couple of old pc's have concerning memory timings. I seem to wonder why the old P4 (with only 1.5gb ram) is a bit zippier(or seems the same in zippiness) than the Asus K8V(with 3gb maxed ram out). I have System Information for Windows 2010 (build 0714g) Freeware Version but a friend said that Everest Ultimate is better.

Both have old 256mg agp cards. P4 has an nVidia FX550 while the Asus K8 has an ATI Radeon X800. Same Seagate 160gb system disk. Both have the same programs installed even the AV/firewall.

I have pasted some excerpts of both pc info below for your reference.(it's kinda long so please be patient with me, thank you:1angel:).

As I am new to this kind of benchmark on ram timings(not really knowledgeable here..) may I ask:

a) Which reads faster, I get a Memory Read: 2.5-4-4-6 CR1 / 1521 MB/s for the Asus K8V SE while I get a Memory Read: 2.5-3-3-7 CR1 / 2408 MB/s for the Intel(R) Pentium(R) 4 CPU 3.00GHz. The Asus K8V SE pc has 3gb maxed out while the
Intel(R) Pentium(R) 4 CPU 3.00GHz has only 1.5gb in 3 slots(mobo has 4slots).

b) How come it seems that the P4 is seems to respond much faster to than the Asus K8V.. having only 1.5gb as compared to 3gb..? (that is on both XP SP3 P4 also has a primary slave dual boot with Windows 7 x32 --yeah :) and is quite zippy also).

c) The Asus K8 is 64bit capable(have not tried it though) and I understand (and have seen with my new pc) performs much more faster than x32 even with same ram capacity...correct? How come as observed on XP SP3 the Asus K8V is a bit sluggish as compared to the P4...?

d) Can I do some adjustments to the Asus K8 so it will improve it's responsiveness...? If so what can I do...?


e) Can you give some explanations/tips/ideas as how can I improve the Asus K8...? (the P4 has reached it's potential --4 year stretch, having been performing very very good in day to day pc use in XP SP3 (and rather good in using Win7 x32 --experiment only). I am after the improvement of the Asus one...(plan to put games on it for the nephew-little ones can't let them touch the new one...you know how all little ones have a keen penchant for destroying new stuff..ha..ha..hee..hee...:grin::grin:).

Appreciate the help and assistance here.

Thank you very much.

CurlyGirly:heartlove


PS:

How can I use my own avatar...?:grin:


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Asus K8V SE Deluxe with 3gb ram) info:


AMD Athlon(tm) 64 Processor 3000+
Code Name NewCastle
Vendor AuthenticAMD
Number of Bits 64
Instruction Set MMX (+), 3DNow! (+), SSE, SSE2, x86-64, NX
Platform Name Socket 754
Revision DH7-CG
Technology 0.13 µm
Original Clock 2000 MHz
Original System Clock 200 MHz
Original Multiplier 10.0
CPU Clock 2003 MHz
System Clock 200.3 MHz
HT Link 801.0 MHz
Number of Cores 1
Core #1
Speed 2001.3 MHz
Multiplier 10.0
Virtual Technology Supported No
Hyper Threading Supported No
Cache
L1 Data Cache 64 KBytes
L1 Instructions Cache 64 KBytes
L2 Cache 512 KBytes


[ DIMM1: Kingston K ]

Manufacturer Kingston
Part Number K
Serial Number 6E26D103
Capacity 1024 MBytes
Memory Type DDR (PC3200)
Speed 200 MHz
Supported Frequencies 133.3 MHz, 166.7 MHz, 200.0 MHz
Memory Timings 2-2-2-6-0 at 133.3 MHz, at 2.5 volts (CL-RCD-RP-RAS-RC)
Memory Timings 2-3-3-7-0 at 166.7 MHz, at 2.5 volts (CL-RCD-RP-RAS-RC)
Memory Timings 3-3-3-8-0 at 200.0 MHz, at 2.5 volts (CL-RCD-RP-RAS-RC)
Data Width 64 bits
Manufacturing Date 2005, Week 46
EPP SPD Support No
XMP SPD Support N


[ DIMM2: Power Quotient (1 GB PC3200 DDR SDRAM) ]

Manufacturer PQI CORP.
Capacity 1024 MBytes
Memory Type DDR (PC3200)
Speed 200 MHz
Supported Frequencies 133.3 MHz, 166.7 MHz, 200.0 MHz
Memory Timings 2-3-3-6-0 at 133.3 MHz, at 2.5 volts (CL-RCD-RP-RAS-RC)
Memory Timings 2-3-3-7-0 at 166.7 MHz, at 2.5 volts (CL-RCD-RP-RAS-RC)
Memory Timings 3-4-4-8-0 at 200.0 MHz, at 2.5 volts (CL-RCD-RP-RAS-RC)
Data Width 64 bits
EPP SPD Support No
XMP SPD Support No

[ DIMM3: Apacer Tech. 77.G1136.9BG ]

Manufacturer Apacer Technology
Part Number 77.G1136.9BG
Serial Number 02010252
Capacity 1024 MBytes
Memory Type DDR (PC3200)
Speed 200 MHz
Supported Frequencies 133.3 MHz, 166.7 MHz, 200.0 MHz
Memory Timings 2-3-3-6-0 at 133.3 MHz, at 2.5 volts (CL-RCD-RP-RAS-RC)
Memory Timings 2-3-3-7-0 at 166.7 MHz, at 2.5 volts (CL-RCD-RP-RAS-RC)
Memory Timings 3-4-4-8-0 at 200.0 MHz, at 2.5 volts (CL-RCD-RP-RAS-RC)
Data Width 64 bits
EPP SPD Support No
XMP SPD Support No

Everest Benchmark Results:

Memory Read:
2.5-4-4-6 CR1 1521 MB/s

Memory Write:
2.5-4-4-6 CR1 1498 MB/s

Memory Copy:
2.5-4-4-6 CR1 1503 MB/s

Memory Latency
2.5-4-4-6 CR1 98.8 ns



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Samsung P4 Polaris model 1.5gb ram:


Intel(R) Pentium(R) 4 CPU 3.00GHz
Code Name Northwood
Vendor GenuineIntel
Number of Bits 32
Instruction Set MMX, SSE, SSE2
Platform Name Socket 478 mPGA
Revision D1
Technology 0.13 µm
Original Clock 3000 MHz
Original System Clock 200 MHz
Original Multiplier 15.0
CPU Clock 2994 MHz
System Clock 199.6 MHz
FSB 798.4 MHz
Number of Cores 1
Core #1
Speed 2993.8 MHz
Multiplier 15.0
Virtual Technology Supported No
Hyper Threading Supported Yes
Hyper Threading Enabled Yes
Cache
L1 Data Cache 8 KBytes
L1 Trace Cache 12 Kµops
L2 Cache 512 KBytes



[ DIMM1: Samsung ]
Part Number M2S9JA8APS9F081AA-
Serial Number B55D3589
Capacity 512 MBytes
Memory Type DDR (PC3200)
Speed 200 MHz
Supported Frequencies 200.0 MHz
Memory Timings 2-3-3-8-0 at 200.0 MHz, at 2.5 volts (CL-RCD-RP-RAS-RC)
Data Width 64 bits
Manufacturing Date 2005, Week 1
EPP SPD Support No
XMP SPD Support No

[ DIMM2: Wintec ]
Manufacturer Wintec Industries
Capacity 512 MBytes
Memory Type DDR (PC3200)
Speed 200 MHz
Supported Frequencies 133.3 MHz, 166.7 MHz, 200.0 MHz
Memory Timings 2-2-2-6-0 at 133.3 MHz, at 2.5 volts (CL-RCD-RP-RAS-RC)
Memory Timings 2-3-3-7-0 at 166.7 MHz, at 2.5 volts (CL-RCD-RP-RAS-RC)
Memory Timings 3-3-3-8-0 at 200.0 MHz, at 2.5 volts (CL-RCD-RP-RAS-RC)

[ DIMM3: Power Quotient (512 MBytes PC3200 DDR SDRAM) ]
Manufacturer PQI CORP.
Capacity 512 MBytes
Memory Type DDR (PC3200)
Speed 200 MHz
Supported Frequencies 200.0 MHz
Memory Timings 2.5-4-4-8-0 at 200.0 MHz, at 2.5 volts (CL-RCD-RP-RAS-RC)

Everest Benchmark Results:

Memory Read:
2.5-3-3-7 CR1 2408 MB/s

Memory Write:
2.5-3-3-7 CR1 2479 MB/s

Memory Copy:
2.5-3-3-7 CR1 2079 MB/s

Memory Latency
2.5-3-3-7 CR1 118 ns
 

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The AMD machine you have should be slightly slower than the Intel P4 / the AMD machine has a 3ghz "rated" cpu but its not really a 3.0 ghz cpu; its really a 2.0mhz cpu that simply process data at a faster compared to the intel p4, but at the end of the day the P4 enjoys the advantage

P4= CPU Clock 2994 MHz
AMD 3000=CPU Clock 2003 MHz
 

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souinds to me like you may also have some mismatched memory sticks also / for example

mixing ram brands and models also can lead to a system slowing down

these systems are of an age where more than 4 sticks of 512mb of ram is purely wasted
 

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Hi linderman:wave:,

Oh dear...:sigh:

As of the moment I don't want to purchase "alike ram" for both system as both pc is nearing replacement when the nephew rascals tire of it(say, year..year and a half). Can adjustments be done to squeeze out a few mileage from the K8...?

Can you help me pair the existing ram I have...just to get the most optimum performance possible...?

The Asus K8V when it was new came with 2 sticks of Kingston 256mb (alike) and a Hynix 256mb. I do not have a "reading" for them as I have removed them and paired all 1gb with the Asus K8. Kindly see the images attached.

The P4 did not have a gb of ram but a 512mb only. Reference is here again:

[ DIMM1: Samsung ]
Part Number M2S9JA8APS9F081AA-
Serial Number B55D3589
Capacity 512 MBytes
Memory Type DDR (PC3200)
Speed 200 MHz
Supported Frequencies 200.0 MHz
Memory Timings 2-3-3-8-0 at 200.0 MHz, at 2.5 volts (CL-RCD-RP-RAS-RC)
Data Width 64 bits
Manufacturing Date 2005, Week 1
EPP SPD Support No
XMP SPD Support No

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Actually my nephews are bugging me for a new pc but I just got mine and it's not cheap:wink:. My bro (father of the rascals) doesn't want to buy them also (just got a new Lenovo laptop also):4-dontkno.

Can both machines be paired with the rams given the one's in the first post and that of the rams in the images)...? :4-dontkno

Really do not feel the need to purchase additional rams as of the moment as both pc's are old(plus the cost of the old ram is double the DDR2/DDR3 price).

Oh please please please help me with this. Don't wanna break the rascals hearts with a poor conceived pc for games and the for whatever purpose they want...Bro doesn't want to help(says, they have to contend with an old pc for breaking his HP laptop:4-thatsba).

I am attaching the P4/Asus K8 Everest info here.

Thank you very much and appreciate the kind assistance here.

CurlyGirly:heartlove

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Oh by the way...can't I change my avatar.....?

 

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Kindly see attached. I did not know that there was a 2 file limit.:grin:

Thank you and pleease...pleeeaaaassee..help me:wink:

CurlyGirly:heartlove
 

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has long has it been since you have done a "clean" install of windows ? which version of windows are you running ?
 

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@speedster123,

I'll check first. I do not know the bios yet. I'll get back here about it. Thanks dear :smile:

@linderman,

Actually I just reformatted it last week. Wiped the disk clean with Paragon Backup/Restore free. The OS is XP SP3.

Thank you all :smile:
 
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