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Tech Support Forums have helped me out in my computer selection, and the time has come for purchase, and I need some final feedback, and assurance that this is a good choice. So here it is Ladies and Gentlemen...


Motherboard
EPoX EP-9NPA+Ultra Socket 939 NVIDIA nForce4 Ultra ATX AMD
- $106.00

Processor
AMD Athlon 64 3200+ Venice 1GHz FSB 512KB L2 Cache Socket 939
- $190.00

System Memory
OCZ 1GB (2 x 512MB) 184-Pin DDR SDRAM Unbuffered DDR 500 (PC 4000) Dual Channel Kit
- $192.95

HardDrive
Western Digital Caviar SE WD1200JS 120GB 7200 RPM 8MB Cache SATA 3.0Gb/s Hard Drive
- $80.00

Video Card
eVGA 256-P2-N376-AX Geforce 6800GT 256MB 256-bit GDDR3 PCI Express x16 Video Card
- $309.00

Power Supply Unit
Antec NeoPower ATX 480W Power Supply 100 - 240V TUV, UL, CUL, CE, CB, FCC
- $115.00

DVD
LITE-ON Black 16X DVD+R 8X DVD+RW 4X DVD+R DL 16X DVD-R 6X DVD-RW 16X DVD-ROM 48X CD-R 24X CD-RW 48X CD-ROM 2M Cache IDE DVD Burner
- $42.99

Case
Thermaltake SHARK VA7000BWA Black Aluminum ATX Full Tower Computer Case
- $159.00

Monitor
SAMSUNG 990DF-Black 19" CRT Monitor 0.20mm Dot Pitch D-Sub
- $199.99

Keyboard
Logitech Elite 967234-0403 Black 104 Normal Keys 19 Function Keys USB + PS/2 Wired Standard Keyboard
- $32.00

Mouse
Logitech MX518 931352-0403 2-Tone 8 Buttons 1x Wheel USB + PS/2 Optical Mouse
- $39.89



TOTAL: 11 ITEMS $1,527.61
 

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Hi,

Looks like a great unit to me. The only thing I would do differently, is to change the keyboard and mouse to the Logitech Cordless optical LX700 set. If you watch, you can find this unit close to the price of the two separate keyboard and mouse items (the other day I saw it cheaper than that, but don't remember where) that you have listed. I have this unit and it is just outstanding. I never want to go back to the wired units.
 

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I really recommend the MX518 and IMO cordless mice are bad for gamers (I assume u are one cos of ur gpu).

The CPU will possibly make a bottleneck for the GPU, it's only 1 GHz...I know it's 64-bit but I'd recommend a higher clock speed.
 

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One adjustment you could make is getting this Antec 550 watt TruePower at $80 after rebate. It's on sale at this price today only: "One Day Sale, Ends 8/24/05 @ 5:30 P.M. PST" so you'd have to order fast.

As far as cordless mice and gaming go it depends on which one you get. Most cordless mice have slow update rates but if you get the right cordless Logitechs, you can game as well as the better mice with cables. I have a Logitech MX700 and it does 125 updates/second at high resolution so it's just fine at gaming and you don't have to deal with the cord. If you get the newer laser based mice like (as I recall) the MX1000 then the mouse is a fair amount lighter because it uses a lithium ion battery rather than the AA cells in most other wireless mice.
 

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Hi,

I agree on the power supply upgrade if you plan on gaming. A big move up for just a few bucks. Also, I do not have an Lx700 (don't know where I got that from), I also have the Logitech MX700 motherboard and mouse as Uncle Macro does. Thought I needed to clear that one up.
 

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Tumbleweed36 said:
Hi,

I agree on the power supply upgrade if you plan on gaming. A big move up for just a few bucks as a rule for regular price, and today a real steal on that one at 80 bucks. Think I might order one just to have at that price and when I need another, I have that deal sitting on the shelf.

Also, I do not have an Lx700 (don't know where I got that from), I also have the Logitech MX700 motherboard and mouse as Uncle Macro does. Thought I needed to clear that one up.
 

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Hello:

I will with out hesitation throw my vote in with Uncle and Tumble on the Antec 550 tru-power

I would stay clear of the Lite ON products / have seen to many very strange hard to trouble shoot problems stem from them. There are plenty of better choices for about the same money. Samsung,Plextor (my favorite) panasonic, sony etc

the rest of your picks look top shelf to me !!! <<<< envy

best regards

joe
 

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Discussion Starter · #8 · (Edited)
Okay, here we go, a bit of changes, changes are in red, new item in green. should I change my Motherboard as well?


Motherboard
EPoX EP-9NPA+Ultra Socket 939 NVIDIA nForce4 Ultra ATX AMD
- $106.00

Processor
AMD Athlon 64 3700+ San Diego 1GHz FSB 1MB L2 Cache Socket 939
- $283.01


System Memory
OCZ 1GB (2 x 512MB) 184-Pin DDR SDRAM Unbuffered DDR 500 (PC 4000) Dual Channel Kit
- $192.95

HardDrive
Western Digital Caviar SE WD1200JS 120GB 7200 RPM 8MB Cache SATA 3.0Gb/s Hard Drive
- $80.00

Video Card
eVGA 256-P2-N376-AX Geforce 6800GT 256MB 256-bit GDDR3 PCI Express x16 Video Card
- $309.00

Power Supply Unit
Antec TRUEPOWERII TPII-550 ATX12V 550W Power Supply 115/230 V UL, TUV, CB, FCC CLASS B, CUL
- $99.99


DVD BurnerNEC Black 16X DVD+R 8X DVD+RW 8X DVD+R DL 16X DVD-R 6X DVD-RW 16X DVD-ROM 48X CD-R 32X CD-RW 48X CD-ROM 2M Cache IDE DVD Burner
- $40.99


DVD Drive
LITE-ON Black 16X DVD-ROM 48X CD-ROM IDE DVD-ROM Drive Model SOHD-16P9SBLK
- $19.99


Case
Thermaltake SHARK VA7000BWA Black Aluminum ATX Full Tower Computer Case
- $159.00

Monitor
SAMSUNG 990DF-Black 19" CRT Monitor 0.20mm Dot Pitch D-Sub
- $199.99

Keyboard
Logitech Elite 967234-0403 Black 104 Normal Keys 19 Function Keys USB + PS/2 Wired Standard Keyboard
- $32.00

Mouse
Logitech MX518 931352-0403 2-Tone 8 Buttons 1x Wheel USB + PS/2 Optical Mouse
- $39.89



TOTAL: 12 ITEMS $1,619.60
 

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OKAY, big question... I hear most MOBOs cannot support PC4000, and I don't want to get an adaptor, so I need new system memory.
 

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Hello XOLIAS:

I personally am not a big fan of buying computer components that are considered real recent releases because you pay TOP dollar and 8 months later they lost 30% or better of your investment

I much prefer to buy componets that have been on the market a year or so / drivers and bios have fixes available by then and others have spent the big bucks to play pioneer and trouble shoot problems that are new to the manufacturer / so in summary I would stay with a mobo that supports 4 gigs of DDR 400 or PC3200 as it is also referred to !!!

and FYI / its a pain to try to really configure for the max 4 gig ram config / so if you really serious about your sytem / get two One gig sticks of ram so you will have optimum performance in dual channel mode

Yes / that MSI board is a good one !! dont know about the Epox havent seen many of them and I dont know why ??? The MSI board you spec'd is very popular

I personally stay clear for now of the DDR2 boards / I think the engineering behind them is just PR hype / the latency of the memory kills the possible benefits / and for those that wont believe the latency of the DDR2 memory kills off the benefits / please give me your thoery as to why memory with latency delay twice as large doesnt hurt performance ?????

Remember / manufacturers have to constantly be hyping a product to sell the next model / dont you think after awhile this gets to be a tough proposition / always making models that swap the predessor of only 8 months ago ??????

Your changes reflect some good component upgrades / if you get too much of the latest and greatest you will suffer buyers remorse shortly afterwards which has a way of robbing the enjoyment of your hobby.

enjoy the build

regards

joe
 

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Hi,

Just wanted to give you an "ATTA BOY" for the CPU that you have now selected. You will not regret using this chip over the one you had originally selected. I have that some one using it on an ASUS A8N-sli deluxe and what a chip. You will love it.
 

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Hello XOLIAS:

I personally am not a big fan of buying computer components that are considered real recent releases because you pay TOP dollar and 8 months later they lost 30% or better of your investment

I much prefer to buy componets that have been on the market a year or so / drivers and bios have fixes available by then and others have spent the big bucks to play pioneer and trouble shoot problems that are new to the manufacturer / so in summary I would stay with a mobo that supports 4 gigs of DDR 400 or PC3200 as it is also referred to !!!

and FYI / its a pain to try to really configure for the max 4 gig ram config / so if you really serious about your sytem / get two One gig sticks of ram so you will have optimum performance in dual channel mode

Yes / that MSI board is a good one !! dont know about the Epox havent seen many of them and I dont know why ??? The MSI board you spec'd is very popular

I personally stay clear for now of the DDR2 boards / I think the engineering behind them is just PR hype / the latency of the memory kills the possible benefits / and for those that wont believe the latency of the DDR2 memory kills off the benefits / please give me your thoery as to why memory with latency delay twice as large doesnt hurt performance ?????

Remember / manufacturers have to constantly be hyping a product to sell the next model / dont you think after awhile this gets to be a tough proposition / always making models that swap the predessor of only 8 months ago ??????

Your changes reflect some good component upgrades / if you get too much of the latest and greatest you will suffer buyers remorse shortly afterwards which has a way of robbing the enjoyment of your hobby.

enjoy the build

regards

joe

So what RAM Should I get, since the MOBO can't support the PC4000s I have?
 

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Technically, any DDR500s should work properly at DDR400. DDR RAMs are always supposed to be downward compatible when it comes to clock rates. But if I was getting 2 X 512MB (and you're willing to spend some money) I'd get TCCDs like these. TCCDs have an good reputation when it comes to speed and they're a little cheaper than the other RAMs you were looking at. I wouldn't be surprised if they were a little quicker than the DDR500s you were looking at when running at DDR400 but it's hard to tell from the specs.

But if you're really trying to build a high-end rig then you might consider getting a couple of reasonably quick 1GB sticks like these. They have much quicker timings than most 1GB sticks and aren't much slower than the speedy 512MB sticks. Plus you're less likely to have problems running 2 sticks than running 4 sticks (although I've never had any problems). It used to be that there was no point in going beyond 1GB of RAM but recent games have started benefitting from having 2GB and they're only going to use more RAM in the future.
 

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Okay, here comes a new update, changes in red.



Okay, here we go, a bit of changes, changes are in red, new item in green. should I change my Motherboard as well?


Motherboard
MSI K8N Neo4 Platinum SLI Socket 939 NVIDIA nForce4 SLI ATX AMD
- $170.00
- If I'm going to be using one single card for a while, will it be as good as the EpoX board?


Processor
AMD Athlon 64 3700+ San Diego 1GHz FSB 1MB L2 Cache Socket 939
- $283.01

System Memory
NONE - STILL LOOKING FOR SUGGESTIONS FOR 2x512mb FOR UNDER $200.



HardDrive
Western Digital Caviar SE WD1200JS 120GB 7200 RPM 8MB Cache SATA 3.0Gb/s Hard Drive
- $80.00

Video Card
eVGA 256-P2-N376-AX Geforce 6800GT 256MB 256-bit GDDR3 PCI Express x16 Video Card
- $309.00

Power Supply Unit
Antec TRUEPOWERII TPII-550 ATX12V 550W Power Supply 115/230 V UL, TUV, CB, FCC CLASS B, CUL
- $99.99

DVD Burner
NEC Black 16X DVD+R 8X DVD+RW 8X DVD+R DL 16X DVD-R 6X DVD-RW 16X DVD-ROM 48X CD-R 32X CD-RW 48X CD-ROM 2M Cache IDE DVD Burner
- $40.99

DVD Drive
LITE-ON Black 16X DVD-ROM 48X CD-ROM IDE DVD-ROM Drive Model SOHD-16P9SBLK
- $19.99

Case
Thermaltake SHARK VA7000BWA Black Aluminum ATX Full Tower Computer Case
- $159.00

Monitor
SAMSUNG 990DF-Black 19" CRT Monitor 0.20mm Dot Pitch D-Sub
- $199.99

Keyboard
Logitech Elite 967234-0403 Black 104 Normal Keys 19 Function Keys USB + PS/2 Wired Standard Keyboard
- $32.00

Mouse
Logitech MX518 931352-0403 2-Tone 8 Buttons 1x Wheel USB + PS/2 Optical Mouse
- $39.89
 

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Just to note he should have no trouble running 4 sticks of ram with a san diago core. Tweaked memory controller on the vience and san deigo compare to older cores. Motherboard should not effect ram compatibity since the memory controller on the cpu. On any core before san diago and vience it would downclock your ram if you used 4 sticks.
 

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Selection Complete

Motherboard
MSI K8N Neo4 Platinum SLI Socket 939 NVIDIA nForce4 SLI ATX AMD
- $170.00


Processor
AMD Athlon 64 3700+ San Diego 1GHz FSB 1MB L2 Cache Socket 939
- $283.01

System Memory
CORSAIR XMS 1GB (2 x 512MB) 184-Pin DDR SDRAM Unbuffered DDR 400 (PC 3200) Dual Channel Kit
- $183.00

HardDrive
Western Digital Caviar SE WD1200JS 120GB 7200 RPM 8MB Cache SATA 3.0Gb/s Hard Drive
- $80.00

Video Card
eVGA 256-P2-N376-AX Geforce 6800GT 256MB 256-bit GDDR3 PCI Express x16 Video Card
- $309.00

Power Supply Unit
Antec TRUEPOWERII TPII-550 ATX12V 550W Power Supply 115/230 V UL, TUV, CB, FCC CLASS B, CUL
- $99.99

DVD Burner
NEC Black 16X DVD+R 8X DVD+RW 8X DVD+R DL 16X DVD-R 6X DVD-RW 16X DVD-ROM 48X CD-R 32X CD-RW 48X CD-ROM 2M Cache IDE DVD Burner
- $40.99

DVD Drive
LITE-ON Black 16X DVD-ROM 48X CD-ROM IDE DVD-ROM Drive Model SOHD-16P9SBLK
- $19.99

Case
Thermaltake SHARK VA7000BWA Black Aluminum ATX Full Tower Computer Case
- $159.00

Monitor
SAMSUNG 990DF-Black 19" CRT Monitor 0.20mm Dot Pitch D-Sub
- $199.99

Keyboard
Logitech Elite 967234-0403 Black 104 Normal Keys 19 Function Keys USB + PS/2 Wired Standard Keyboard
- $32.00

Mouse
Logitech MX518 931352-0403 2-Tone 8 Buttons 1x Wheel USB + PS/2 Optical Mouse
- $39.89


TOTAL: 12 ITEMS $1,666.32


I'll keep you updated as I build it.
 

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Okay, haven't ordered yet, so here's an update.

Motherboard
Update JetWay 939GT4-SLI Socket 939 NVIDIA nForce4 SLI ATX AMD Motherboard
- $139.99


Processor
AMD Athlon 64 3700+ San Diego 1GHz FSB 1MB L2 Cache Socket 939
- $272.00

System Memory
OCZ 2GB (2 x 1GB) 184-Pin DDR SDRAM DDR 400 (PC 3200) Unbuffered Dual Channel Platinum System Memory Model OCZ4002048ELDCPE-K
- $257.00

HardDrive
Seagate Barracuda 7200.7 ST3200822A 200GB 7200 RPM 8MB Cache IDE Ultra ATA100 Hard Drive
- $100.25

Video Card
eVGA 256-P2-N376-AX Geforce 6800GT 256MB 256-bit GDDR3 PCI Express x16 Video Card
- $314.00

Power Supply Unit
Antec TRUEPOWERII TPII-550 ATX12V 550W Power Supply 115/230 V UL, TUV, CB, FCC CLASS B, CUL
- $105.00

DVD Burner
NEC Black 16X DVD+R 8X DVD+RW 8X DVD+R DL 16X DVD-R 6X DVD-RW 16X DVD-ROM 48X CD-R 32X CD-RW 48X CD-ROM 2M Cache IDE DVD Burner
- $39.99

DVD Drive
LITE-ON Black 16X DVD-ROM 48X CD-ROM IDE DVD-ROM Drive Model SOHD-16P9SBLK
- $19.99

Case
Thermaltake SHARK VA7000BWA Black Aluminum ATX Full Tower Computer Case
- $159.00

Monitor
SAMSUNG 990DF-Black 19" CRT Monitor 0.20mm Dot Pitch D-Sub
- $199.99

Keyboard
Saitek PZ30AU Black 104 Normal Keys 4 Function Keys USB Wired Standard Eclipse Keyboard
- $47.00

Mouse
Logitech MX518 931352-0403 2-Tone 8 Buttons 1x Wheel USB + PS/2 Optical Mouse
- $39.89


TOTAL: 12 ITEMS $1,709.01
 
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