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Hi ppls, Im hoping you can direct me where I need to go. This place is huge and Im not sure what my problem is. Basically I use this thing to play games, I am by no definition a computer genius, in fact you could call me computer challenged. My problem is my monitor is whining like crazy when I try to play certain games. I play rpgs lots of memory ect. I have tried reinstalling the games, and thanks to a post I saw here yesterday I have checked to see how much stuff was running in addition to the games and have turned it off. It helped some, the monitor no longer sounds like a jet engine, now it sounds like a lawn mower. I am sure the problem is not with the games. Thats pretty much why I am posting here instead of in the gaming forum. So here is my question. the way I went about checking to see what was running behind the games was by hitting the Ctrl, Alt and Del. could there be other programs running somewhere else? where would I look for them?
Also, I have already made sure that I have the latest and greatest drivers, I am not sure what video card card I am using or how to find out what video card I am using, but the tech support at gametap said my system seems to be running fine. Anyway, Thanks for hearing me out, if this is posted in the wrong place please forgive me and point me in the right direction, and o yea, any help at all is greatly appreciated.
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The...monitor? Are you talking about the screen, or the tower?

If you're talking about the tower, this is to be expected to some degree- when you run applications that take up more system resources that are normally taken during idle (web browsing, not doing anything, etc.), the system has to speed the fans up to manage the extra heat produced.

If it's really really bad, you might have dirty fan blades or a few bad bearings in the fans.
 

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Yes, the tower, and no I cleaned the fan after you suggested it and that doesnt seem to be it. I do expect that the computer would have to work some but I recently had a system crash, Im not sure why, Iwasnt here, anyway the reason I ask if there could be someplace else programs could be running is I know norton and spyware are running but they dont show up when I hit the ctrl,alt and del. so where are they? I know they are running they keep bugging me to update them. Anyway thanks for the help
 

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How's it going? Did you get it sorted?

If this noise started after a system crash, I think it's worth running some malware scans, just in case you have some infection on your PC... some links here:-

http://www.pandasoftware.com/products/activescan.htm

http://housecall.trendmicro.com/

http://www.ewido.net/en/

The noise you are hearing could be your hardrive spinning up, or if the game runs with a CD in a drive, then the CD spinning up. Fans tend to produce a higher pitched sound, the drives can sound like a hover mower revving up.

Is there a noise when your PC is at rest with just your desktop showing?

If you use control, alt, delete and go into TASK MANAGER and click on PERFORMANCE, what does the graph show?

If you go to START>RUN and type msconfig you will find a panel that shows what programs start and run in the background - you can switch them off by unchecking the boxes, but make sure you know it's definitely a game or something that is not essential to the running of windows.

To discover what video card you have: go to START and right click on MY COMPUTER>PROPERTIES>HARDWARE>DEVICE MANAGER... then double click on DISPLAY ADAPTER, which should show your card. If not, post again, and I will give you another route.
 

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The only games I am running right now I am getting thru gametap, and of these the only games giving me a lot noise are the dragon realms games.... Baldurs gate and Icedale. My tower is fine at all other times. now I know a simple solution would be to not play the beforesaid games but this is quite out of the question as I am addicted,
under performance the cpu history is at 0% and the Pf usage is 315 mb
Just a question about the malware links, will Norton or spyware go beserk if I use them? I so hate it when that happens,
Thank you so very much for all the helpful info, it is very much appreciated, this site is just full of extremly useful information.
 

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Do at least one of the on-line scans, and run Ewido and report results. No telling what Norton might do. It's imperative to update it's files.

Norton shows in task manager as "N-something" (like nprotect, if I remember). It won't spell out "N-O-R-T-O-N" in the Task Manager.

The system crash may be relevant.

Please post your hardware specs.

Also please clarify. A "monitor" is the viewing screen. A "tower" might refer to the computer case. This isn't a laptop, is it ?
 

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I really dont know the language, please bear with. No not running a laptop. I downloaded Sysspec from your site so I should have any info you need, and I am running a scan from the first link above as we speak.
motherboard - ASUSTek ComputerINC. NAGAMI
modem - Agere Systems PCI-SV92PP
BIOS info - ATAT COMPATABLE 091906 HPCPC 42302e31
Product make - ER919AA-ABA SR1820NXNA620
Manufacturer - Pheonix Technologies
Wndows XP5.1 Build 2600 Service pack 2
Internet Explorer - 6.0.2900
memory (RAM) - 447mb
CPU - AMD Athlon(tm) 64 processor 3400+
CPU speed - 2202.9 MHz
sound card - Realtek HD Audio rear output
Display adapters - NVIDIA GeForce 6150 LE |netmeeting driver| RDPDD
chained DD
Network Adapters - NVIDIA nForce Networking controler - packet schedular
miniport
CD/DVD Drvers - E:TSST corp CD/DVDW TS-H552L

If I left anything out let me know. The scan is still running and now I am going to ask a question that ya'll probably will think riduculous but I dont know so I have to ask, the scan I am running is telling me That I am infected with spyware, but isnt spyware a program that was intentionally put on here? what exactly is spyware? Should I get rid of it? you wont break my heart if you say yes that program is a constant pain in the ...

And yes these games just recently started giving me a problem, and if it where all of them I say it was a problem at gametap but its only 4 of the RPG's not even all of them, and Gametap support was very helpful but couldnt exactly help.

OK the scan is done and it says there is a BUNCH of spyware 1 possibly unwanted tool and a potential virus, where was Norton then??? I am so confused.
 

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spyware are programs that are put on your computer without your knowledge. They track what you do, where you go, and most of the time cause problems with the way your machine works.
 

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Wow, unbelievable....... I actually thought I was simi intelligent at one point! The more I read here the more I feel a person should have to take a class to own one of these things, I just jumped in a coupla months ago and started playing games, I have no clue!!! Im should have stuck to the PS3 and stayed away from the computer, now I have to go back to school! Old dogs and whatnot......
Thanks again for your patience and help, It was an extremely enlightening journey to your little place in cyberspace.
 

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That I am infected with spyware, but isnt spyware a program that was intentionally put on here? what exactly is spyware? Should I get rid of it? you wont break my heart if you say yes that program is a constant pain in the ...
Among many hard-core computer enthusiasts, Norton actually has a BAD reputation. Not neutral. BAD.

Some well-qualified and intelligent people may disrespectfully disagree with this, but simply put these people are ...

WRONG.
(All I ask is that you heed my opinion as if it were the voice of GOD HIMSELF.)
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Getting rid of Norton is a good idea, but the question is where that fits in the overall scheme of things.

Here's the deal:
The first thing one needs to understand is that NO AV program is going to find ALL malware. There's an ocean of it out there, and it get's re-written constantly for the SPECIFIC PURPOSE of getting around the AV programs.

Having said that, one needs to consider how much they are willing to slow down their system and other inconveniences, balanced against the "payoff" of how well the software finds malware.

So it is not unusual at all for an AV program to miss something. In fact you should expect it, and plan for it.
 

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OK, I have been reading some of the stuff in the securities forums and I am going to jump the gun a bit here and ask some more stupid questions, if they have been asked and answered a thousand times before I apologize in advance.
From what I have read it will be extremely difficult to get norton out of here, (my computer) as I said before I am no computer genius, in fact at the age of 43 I have only been using one for a coupla months, mostly to play games. The scan you guys had me run pretty much is telling me I have some major problems, so here I go with the questions
Is there any way to completely like, wipe the slate clean and start over and simply not install norton at all? If I try to do something like this will it take care of all the other crap too? or is that stuff like really in there and I have to get an exorcist or antibiotic or something? And last but not least, is there anyplace in this extremely vast virtual world where a person can get some basic computer training?
once again, thank you for your patience, and for taking the time to explain these things
 

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Is there any way to completely like, wipe the slate clean and start over and simply not install norton at all?
Yes, and most of us share a belief/philosophy that at some point it's not worth the time trying to fix, and this is the best thing to do. It seems you are at this point already.

The main quesition is if you have data on the HD that is critical, and if you have it backed up or not.

Personally, I don't think Norton is that difficult to uninstall but it's a subjective opinion. Only you can know for sure, but then (due to inexperience) even you can't know for sure. Catch-22.

To be honest, this is the best place to "learn computers" I have ever found.
 

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The most critical thing I have in here is my newest game and it is only a game. I wind up starting them all over before Im halfway thru with them anyway. I said I like them, didnt say I was good at them. Also I have two nieces ages 14 and 15 that have been using this thing without any kind of restrictions that I can find anywhere, and quite frankly that has me a whole lot worried. My mother does her banking on here does that need to be backed up and how do I do it? Wiping the slate clean and starting all over sounds like my best option, and In the process hopefully I can get a better understanding of this contraption and how to use the parental controls to where the girls cant get around them, they are much more savy about the machine than I am. Is there a way I can see where they have been in here by the way? I belong to a couple of gaming places but I know the passwords and stuff so I am assuming I would just go back to them and reopen them where I left off, the same with recipe sites and such, nothing very critical I can think of and after the system crash lost a bunch of stuff anyway. And I was looking at the uninstall norton page in the securities forum and I am pretty sure I would screw it up, yes go ahead, paint me a moron.
 

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Also I have two nieces ages 14 and 15 that have been using this thing without any kind of restrictions that I can find anywhere, and quite frankly that has me a whole lot worried.
It should. There's a lot of malware that takes advantage of people by getting them to impulsively click a link, or download a file. Much of the crap I see (and have to avoid) while surfing is aimed at either teenagers "impulsivity" and/or inexperience. Security considerations ought to be priority #1 given they are on the 'net. Obviously there are others, but your instinct is dead-on in the wasy (I assume) you meant it.

My mother does her banking on here does that need to be backed up and how do I do it?
I do my (Bank of America) banking on-line and the answer is really no, IMO. They have a Server with all the records saved. The only consideration (I think) is that of having to set up the account again, with the password and whatever other User-input security information that may be necessary. Unless her banking is extraordinarily extensive (I can't imagine how, but it's banking and therefore important to consider carefully.) A call to the bank should resolve this. B of A has Tellers with specific training in "on-line" transactions now, so you should be able to find someone at the bank to give you an authoritative answer, rather than my flea-bitten one.

Wiping the slate clean and starting all over sounds like my best option, and In the process hopefully I can get a better understanding of this contraption and how to use the parental controls to where the girls cant get around them, they are much more savy about the machine than I am.
This is exactly right, and I think this is how most people gain their computer skills, by solving real-world problems in real time. The learning is an investment, and I can tell you from my experience that it really pays off in the sense that none of these problems ever happen "just once" in your life, so every lesson reduces the risk, damage and time you will lose in the future. It's like being able to replace the Starter or Alternator in your car, only these parts go bad about every 30 days.

Is there a way I can see where they have been in here by the way?
Internet Explorer saves the History of where the User "has been" by default, but it can be easily enabled or disabled, and the history can be deleted. There are advanced methods of really "locking down" what can or can't be done. It depends on the level of discipline you have. The easiest way is to simply disallow them from deleting the history file, but how effect that will be will depend on human factors rather than technological. But the Security concerns are valid, common and the information is available here. Any substantive discussion should really take place in another thread, however.

I belong to a couple of gaming places but I know the passwords and stuff so I am assuming I would just go back to them and reopen them where I left off, the same with recipe sites and such, nothing very critical I can think of and after the system crash lost a bunch of stuff anyway.

Like the Banking question, its a simple matter of reinstalling the software and remembering the passwords. No back-up necessary.

And I was looking at the uninstall norton page in the securities forum and I am pretty sure I would screw it up, yes go ahead, paint me a moron.
The Norton uninstall CAN be hairy, and it's looming presence in the future is a good arguement for the nuclear option of reformat & reinstall.

Some experienced Users believe that this is good to do on a routine basis (as often as every 6 months) whether there are problems are not, as a part of "General Maintenance". Personally I am WAY on the other side of the spectrum, and have (for example) been plagued by niggling little problems for the last 6 months that I should have cured by a reinstall long ago.

But I use these problems as learning opportunities, and so keep them around as "things to do when I am bored" projects.

"Screwing things up" is a critical part of the learning process. One component of learning to assume full control over your operating system is to develop a healthy sense of respect for the possible consequences of your actions. There are some areas where you can mess with XP all day long and make no difference to it's basic operations, however there are some things a User could do that will cause instant and catastrophic failure.

Such as the untrained use of the command "FDisk" which a previous version of this Unit once used on my workstation (at work) because the system had some minor and annoying problem. R-E-S-P-E-C-T

You have to really, really completely and irrevocably blow up a system before you can truly have it (respect), IMO. Better sooner than later, and the best lessons are frequently the most painful.

/end caffienated and rambling dissertation...
 

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First of all how do you do that quote thing? After that Ive already talked to mom and she isnt worried about backing anything up. The girls havent been allowed near the computer since someone used one of my moms credit cards to go to an x-rated site but I cant keep them from it forever because of school and such. Where is the other forum you mentioned and your rambling dissertation was funny and practical thank you very much
 

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Quotes...

To make quotes, use the mouse and/or keyboard to "highlight" the text you want to lift. Once highlighted, use the mouse "right-click" button to "copy" the text into a temporary buffer.

Navigate the cursor to where you want the text to go and then "right-click" the mouse to "Paste" the text.

Once the text is pasted, re-highlight the pasted text again and then use the mouse to navigate to the yellow square "quote" symbol on the toolbar above the box that contains the text. Look around & you will find it.

Click the quote symbol, and it should create a the text "[QU0TE]" at the beginning of the quote and the text "[/QU0TE]" at the end of the text you want to appear as a boxed-in quote in your post. These two are commands that tell the forum software to present the text in between as "quoted" text. You can also type these commands in manually with the keyboard. The quote symbol is a faster and more convenient way to do the same thing.

Note the second [/QU0TE] command has a "/" forward-slash symbol that means "end quote", the other does not, which makes it mean "begin quote". This is where the meaning of "/caffienated dissertation" comes from.

Many other forum/post text functions have this syntax, such as "image" and "/image" so to learn this sheds light on other areas.

I think the best place to start a new thread to discuss methods of securing your home network in order to prevent the serious problems you describe is in the "Securities" area. My point was that it should be "somewhere else" as threads can become very long and confusing for all concerned when they evolve into a mish-mash of various topics, questions, problems and (of course) superfluous personal commentary.

:rolleyes:

Regarding the security of mom's credit card vs. the need for making the computer available for school work, I strongly advise you to think in the direction of setting up different User accounts with password protection on Mom's in particular. This will prevent access by the suspected miscreants completely. But again, further discussion of this topic would be best done in the Securities Forum.

Also I should mention (for what it's worth) these situations are very common, and becoming even more so. The world is becoming bigger, more complicated and more dangerous, and the standards for protecting those that lack the ability to make good judgments are being raised as a result. Meaning you are certainly not the only person in this situation, and it is probably likely that most people that believe they are not/have not been only believe this because they are unaware of what is happening. Becoming aware is the first and most important step.

...and your rambling dissertation was funny and practical thank you very much.
Great compliment, thanks. Funny AND Practical. Everyone see this ???
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If only it could be made funny, practical and PROFITABLE.
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