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Is it the motherboard?

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#1 ·
A few months ago, I started having issues with Windows Update failing to install updates. I would try several times and it would continually fail and give generic error codes. Then in the past month or so I started experiencing an issue where games in fullscreen mode would often crash if I spent more than a minute or two alt-tabbed. I tried updating all drivers and making sure that the games were running at the same refresh rate as the PC and the rest of the computer, it kept happening.

Also about a month ago, around when games started crashing when alt-tabbed, VIsual Studio also refused to update and gave a very odd error message. It kept saying that it had insufficient privelages to execute Powershell scripts. I was running on an Administrator account and I checked that my Powershell security settings were at the lowest possible level, but it didn't help. Ultimately, I just assumed that it was Windows that was causing this to fail as well, but now I'm not so sure. Finally, last week games started crashing while I was playing them as well. So I bit the bullet and decided to finally start running tests to figure out what it could be.

I checked event viewer and there was nothing obvious, just stuff about Windows Update regularly failing. I figured I probably needed to just reinstall Windows. But to be sure I ran every basic test in OCCT before doing so and nothing came up, so I started to reinstall Windows from the same flash drive that I used to install it when I first built this PC ~21 months ago. It failed at random points during the installation several times, but eventually I was finally able to get it to complete and hit 100%. I attributed this to just the flash drive being a bit finicky, which it is.

Now, booting into WIndows, I was annoyed to find that the motherboard's on-board WiFi wasn't working, so I had to hook up a flash drive to give it internet, and the resolution was like 1000x760, when the monitor is 4k, and it wouldn't let me change the resolution in the settings for some reason. I figured it was probably just the drivers that needed to be updated so got to work doing that. I tried to install the Intel support software and Nvidia app to update drivers, but both failed during the install process. For example, when I try to install the Nvidia app I immediately get the error message "Package error. 7-Zip: CRC error". This seemed very odd to me and so I thought at this point that it must be a hardware issue that OCCT did not catch. The GPU also doesn't even show up in task manager right now, just the Intel integrated graphics, even though the display is plugged into the GPU port. It also thinks it's on battery power? It's plugged into a UPS, but it still shouldn't think that.

I rebooted and ran 4 passes of every test of memtest86 and found nothing. I ran crystaldiskinfo and a full surface test of the C: drive with minitool partition wizard and found nothing. Crystaldisk said 98% disk health.

The only things left that I can think of are the motherboard and the CPU, and I can't imagine that CPU issues would manifest like this where things are failing to install repeatedly. I should mention that the PC is sometimes blue screening now as well, with "Kernal-power" error messages in the event viewer from these. I do have a 13th gen Intel CPU so I'm wary of the issues with those that others have had.

I've had some people IRL suggest that I should try to install Linux or some other OS and see if I still have issues, as maybe it's the Windows version I installed from that's broken, but I really just can't imagine that would cause all of this.

Does anyone have any advice or suggestions? My motherboard is still under warranty from MSI, so that is an option, but I'm wary of how annoying a process it will be to dismantle my PC, wait for them to repair or replace it, and then reassemble it.

Could it be Windows? Is there anything else I should try? Is there some better way to test the CPU or motherboard?

Here are my specs so that you have all the information:

CPU: Intel Core i9-13900k (stock settings)
GPU: Gigabyte GAMING OC GeForce RTX 4090 (stock settings)
Storage: Crucial T700 W/Heatsink 4 TB M.2-2280 PCIe 5.0 X4 NVME (This is the C: drive)
Storage: Western Digital Gold 18 TB 3.5" 7200 RPM Internal Hard Drive (Not the C: drive so shouldn't matter)
Memory: Corsair Vengeance 96 GB (2 x 48 GB) DDR5-6400 CL32 Memory (Not using XMP)
Motherboard: MSI MAG Z790 TOMAHAWK WIFI ATX LGA1700
PSU: Corsair RM1000x (2021) 1000 W
I doubt these matter but here just in case:
Noctua NH-D15 82.5 CFM CPU Cooler
Corsair 5000D AIRFLOW ATX Mid Tower Case
CyberPower CP1500PFCLCD UPS
 
#5 ·
CPU, GPU, and motherboard temps are all consistently under 50 degrees Celsius, mostly under 40 degrees. I'm not really running anything since reinstalling Windo and I've never had temperature issues on this machine, or I would have noticed the noise from the fans.

I just tried and I cannot even run furmark because there are still no GPU drivers installed apparently. I tried directly downloading the gameready GPU drivers from the NVIDIA website and I got the same 7-zip error as with the NVIDIA app.
 
#3 ·
Did you ever update your BIOS? This is necessary for systems with Intel 13th and 14th Gen processors to fix a voltage instability issue, which can damage the CPU. I also recommend a repair upgrade of Windows and installing the latest chipset driver for your motherboard.
 
#6 ·
Okay just updated the BIOS (even though I last updated it about 9 months ago) and the chipset and doesn't seem to have solved anything. Still getting the same 7-zip error even when trying to install graphics drivers direct from the NVIDIA website.
 
#8 ·
The 7-zip error is when I am running .exe files to install either the NVIDIA App or GPU drivers directly from the NVIDIA website. I tried installing 7-zip anyway on this fresh install of Windows just in case and the errors still persist.
 
#9 ·
The NVIDIA error is a known one and is usually the result of a corrupted download or inaccessible file. If you can't extract an archive then something is wrong with your Windows install as Windows has had an integral .zip extractor for years and years now. I recommend a repair install of Windows but if you don't want to do this at least run the commands listed below from an Admin Terminal.

DISM /Online /Cleanup-Image /RestoreHealth

SFC /SCANNOW

CHKDSK /F -- This will run after you reboot your computer.


Also, see here:

NVIDIA Support extraction error is a known issue.
 
#10 ·
You say "it thinks its on battery power but it's plugged into a UPS" also you imply it's a desktop using an ATX PSU. I have never seen a desktop that thinks its a laptop. The UPS keeps the power to the PSU stable, might keep the voltage stable but does nothing to keep the PSU output voltages stable if the PSU has problems.

Likewise you say the flashdrive used for install is problematic. Dump it and get a new one for your upcoming install.