[TheTechIsIn]

Alright guys I am in need of some assistance here, one of my friends called me the other day, he just got a new motherboard...a shuttle somthing..Im not sure what he said it was, and it doesn't really matter I'm just in need of some general info on mobos anyway.

As you might have guessed from my lack of responses in the particular forum, I'm not to good with building the things from the ground up, I can do it but I really don't that often, and haven't kept up with the rules as it were.

Ok heres the problem:

He says he put in the new Mobo, and a new CPU , he has assured me the CPU is compatible with the motherboard, all the other components are straight out of an old system that was working perfectly. He transfered the Memory, hard-drives, cdrom and floppy to the new Mobo.

Now the MOBO did not come with any on-board graphics, but did come with an AGP slot and he tells me there a chip sodered on the board that makes reference to an AGP chip-set of some kind but asures me there is no on-board video of any kind.

Now when he puts it all together and turns it on everything works, the fans spin and everything...the only thing is it gets to His old Voodoo Cards bios startup and the thing freezes, the system does not post, the systems bios does not come up and there are no beeps...It just displays the Voodoo 2000 card information like it did on the other system but it doesn't blink off and start the POST like in the other system...now the card is a Voodoo PCI card ...

Now thats what I'm not sure about do you think the problem is that AGP is a requirement for the mobo?

He also tried putting in an old ISA trident card and he said the system wouldn't even load...ie the monitor didn't even get a signal and nothing happened at all...

Any ideas on this one? Does it sound like needs an APG card problem, CPU? Mobo ?

FYI the voodoo & monitor work perfectly fine, as well as the memory so if you don't have to have AGP on the board...then I have no ideas... someone want to enlighten me?

 

[manor631]

If you can get into the bios, i would see if their is onboard video or not. I would aso disable the agp slot in the bios and try that pci card again.

If that dosen't work, pull all cards but the pci or agp video card
and see if it boots.
The board model,memory being used and processor would help.

Good Luck

 

[TheTechIsIn]

Thanks for the reply manor,

but see he tells me....(helping by proxy sucks ) that the system never makes it to the Bios screen, it freezes completely on the Vid Card Information screen prior to the main systems bios initialization ...

Is it possible that the MOBO simply only supports AGP??

I don't want to tell the guy go buy a $90 dollar AGP card if thats not the problem, but he's tried PCI -- shows the Vid card Bios and locks, and ISA -- Doesn't even send a signal to the monitor and locks...

I guess I can get board specifics from him if necessary, but I really only want to find out if theres a such thing as Mobos that support only certain types of Vid Card interfaces ..

 

[Heathen]

Alright guys I am in need of some assistance here, one of my friends called me the other day, he just got a new motherboard...a shuttle somthing..Im not sure what he said it was, and it doesn't really matter I'm just in need of some general info on mobos anyway.

If he's got this then you will have do think again.

btw - I sell these systems and they kick butt. Great for LAN parties

 

[JAMMAN]

Every mobo I have ever seen with an agp slot has a setting in the bios (cant tell you the exact verbage without rebooting) but it basically asks you if you want it to see agp first or pci. I don't think that is the problem though. My first guess would be memory. He might have the memory speed or cas latency set wrong. I have seen some cheaper memory that simply would not work in certain boards, especially with AMD chips.

 

[TheTechIsIn]

Alright for what its worth its a Shuttle VIA Apollo Pro 133A

He's using a 256 Mb single chip, with a 1.0Ghz Celeron Processor
Both the Mobo & Proc. are new.

Again cannot get into the bios to change jack

What constitutes cheap memory should I ask who manufactures it or something?

Their website is here: (didn't do me much good though)
http://www.shuttleonline.com/spec.php3?model=av18e

 

[JAMMAN]

PNY= cheap. Micron= good. Corsair= very good

 

[Zvalkor]

Clear the CMOS, (JP2). If that does not work, try a different PCI slot.

 

[TheTechIsIn]

Thanks guys, now that I have some ideas I can go pretend I know what I'm talking about

... if it doesn't work I will be back.

 

[manor631]

pull the memory out and try another dim slot.
Then remove the processor and check for damage.

 

[Guest]

See if you can get a model number for this board.

I would like to check it out on their website.

Also if he put this mobo into the old case he may not have moved the standoffs to the proper position and it could be shorting out on one of them.

You could also have him see if he could borrow an agp video card to try in there.

Yeah get the model number of the board and the CPU he is using.

 

[Midnight Tech]

Tech, you sure you're not helping me on a subconscious level? I'm running practically the same setup in my current machine! Have you checked JP7(FSB Speed auto-configure)? Is the model AV18E?

 

[TheTechIsIn]

Yeah Midnight thats the model number ... the jumpers were set @ auto-detect but it wouldn't even load the stupid PCI voodoo card before it froze that way it wasn't getting a signal to the monitor, so now its set @ 66MHz jumpers at the top 2 rows I think he said, anyway thats when he started actually getting video but it would then lock on voodoo's bios screen ... any ideas?

Is it possible it needs an AGP card to run, Iv never heard of a MOBO actually only running on one type of graphics platform ..

 

[Midnight Tech]

Yep I even booted mine once with both a PCI and an ISA one. Let me ponder this one for awhile....