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I have been having some problems with frames per second. I generally get between 0-10fps in instances, battlegrounds, and ironforge. I have tried many things so far to fix this problem including:
Norton Antivirus Scan
Ad-Aware Spyware Scan
Eliminating every program operating in the background (AOL, Norton, etc.)
Upgrading my Graphics Card
Upgrading My Power Supply
Doubling my Ram
Updating AGP Drivers
Updating Video Card Drivers
Re-installing Wow

and none of these things increase my fps. I know it isn't my connection because my girlfriend plays right next to me and she averages 15-40fps at all times. I have spent nearly $700 trying to fix this problem. Please tell me any ideas that might be causing this.

My System is:
ASUS P4S800 Motherboard
Pentium 4 2.8 Ghz
Directx 9.0c
2GB PC3200 400MHZ Ram
256MB ATI Radeon X850 XT Video Card
500w Power Supply
2HD's (1 60gb and 1 200gb partitioned into 2 pieces) Wow runs off 60gb primary hd.

Here are some things I think might be other problems that could effect it:
1. My computer shows 2 CPU's on Boot one has a * next to it. I spoke to someone and they said this is common with the P4's because of Hyperthreading Technology.
2. When I restart my computer it sometimes takes a long time to reboot, like up to 1 minute.

I ran the Sandro Lite Performance Test and none of my settings made it out of that little octagon thingy, except storage.
I'm really at wits end with this problem, so any help will be appreciated
 

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What is the make and model of your PSU

please post your system temps, cpu temps, system voltages both before and after playing WOW.

regards

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What program shoud I use for the before and after. Also how long should I play because recently I find it unbearably to play over an hour.
 

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Here are my before Temperatures

Temperatures:
Motherboard 32 °C (90 °F)
CPU 62 °C (144 °F)
GPU 39 °C (102 °F)
GPU Ambient 38 °C (100 °F)
WDC WD2000JB-00GVA0 35 °C (95 °F)
 

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After about 30-40 minutes of playing wow, here are my temperatures.

Temperatures:
Motherboard 31 °C (88 °F)
CPU 78 °C (172 °F)
GPU 47 °C (117 °F)
GPU Ambient 46 °C (115 °F)
WDC WD2000JB-00GVA0 32 °C (90 °F)

Also I don't know if its pertinent information but I have an ATI TV Tuner card in one of my pci slots, it's my only pci device. I don't even really use the card.
 

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Thats way too hot, I bet your CPU is throttling to keep from frying. Your mobo temps seem ok but not the CPU temp.

Are you using the stock Intel heatsink and fan with the thermal pad?

I would recommend a Termalright XP-90 with a quality 92mm fan and Arctic Silver 5 thermal paste applied according to the manufacturers instructions. That is what I have on my CPU and it never exceeds 104F under full load.
 

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I can try that. I never thought heat would be a problem because I have a total of 5 fans in my pc, including the psu fan. Is the cpu fan easy to install? Anyone know of any guides?
 

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What type of CPU fan and heatink do you have on it now?

The standard Intel Heatsink and fan has clamps that hold it tightly against the CPU, There should be a thermal Pad or thermal paste between the CPU and the heatsink.

Never run the PC without a properly installed Heatsink/Fan. There are installation instructions with all reputable manufacturers products.
Look here for heatsink installation instructions.
Look here for paste application instructions.
 

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Icecold232 said:
I can try that. I never thought heat would be a problem because I have a total of 5 fans in my pc, including the psu fan. Is the cpu fan easy to install? Anyone know of any guides?
have you tried water cooling? it's better than the fans (at least for the processor)
 

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greetings

tell me where you have your fans installed and in what direction. make sure your psu fan is blowing in the correct direction.

did you try your system with a side off and a floor fan blowing in to diagnose the problem?


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Hello ICE:

you got some major heat issues there !! that need attention STAT

what are your system voltages ??????



I strongly advise you remove the side cover off your PC and use a house fan to blow air into the case ????? is the cpu fan spinning ???? any dust build up ????

to install a good quality heat sink & fan you will need to remove your mobo from the case / can you handle that ??????

what made you buy a new PSU ?????

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Ok first off I have 1 fan on psu, one fan on side removable panel blowing in, 2 fans on back of computer that seem to also be blowing in. one fan on video card, one on cpu.

I used some canned air and blew dust off everything a while ago.

I bought a power supply for 2 reasons 1) some friends pointed to my old 300w power supply as being inefficient to run all of my stuff. (I have 2 optical drives, 2 hds, high end vid card, 5 fans, & neon lights) and 2) I thought it certainly couldn't hurt and would come in handy in the long run.

I am not comfortable taking my mobo out, so I might have to visit best buy. They charge only 40 bucks to install something. I could try to do it myself, but I'd rather let them do it because if they break it it's there fault.

Is the temperature thing a common problem when it comes to this? Early on when I was having this problem it was suggested to me that it could be the temp but on another site I saw an article that said my cpu was in the proper range for p4's.

I will try running my cpu with the floor fan on it and the side open and write back the results.

Thanks a million guys, this problem is so damn irritating.
 

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P.S. Here are my voltages

Voltage Values:
CPU Core 1.42 V
Aux 0.02 V
+3.3 V 3.33 V
+5 V 5.11 V
+12 V 11.43 V
+5 V Standby 4.95 V
Debug Info F FF 40 FF
Debug Info T 29 63 255
Debug Info V 59 01 D0 BE BC B9 C4 (01)
 

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I saw an article that said my cpu was in the proper range for p4's.

Your P4 is not in range at 78C, it is at the top of the temperature design limits. I looked at the thermal design specification for the P4 processors. The range of max design temperature is between 64C and 75C depending on the processor speed and cache size. This is measured at the top dead center of the package heat spreader.

At 78C your processor is starting to throttling the clock in an attempt to lower temperatures and prevent damage to the core. (Ya gotta love Intel for this)

The temperature drop is very dramatic when the load is removed from the processor and the temps you are seeing are most likely lower than when you are pushing the processor to its max.
 

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Ok first off I have 1 fan on psu, one fan on side removable panel blowing in, 2 fans on back of computer that seem to also be blowing in.


if this is true, it could be a problem
wheres the exhaust fans?
 

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whosdat said:

Ok first off I have 1 fan on psu, one fan on side removable panel blowing in, 2 fans on back of computer that seem to also be blowing in.


if this is true, it could be a problem
wheres the exhaust fans?
Upon further review the 2 fans on the back of the PC are blowing out. Anyone know a good site to order that therma heat sync?
 
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