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Core 2 duo 6600 has poor stock performance

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I've just bought a new computer with a Core 2 duo 6600 (2.4GHz). My GPU is an x1950xt 256mb. I ran 3Dmark06, and got the following results:

3DMark Score 5219 3DMarks
SM 2.0 Score 2173 Marks
SM 3.0 Score 2389 Marks
CPU Score 1410 Marks

Note the low CPU Score compared to other Core 2 duo 6600 stock systems:

http://72.14.235.104/search?q=cache...k06&hl=en&gl=au&ct=clnk&cd=7&client=firefox-a

http://forums.guru3d.com/showthread.php?p=2074030&posted=1#post2074030

I should be getting over 2000 CPU Score based on these results. I have tried downloading and installing the microsoft dual core patch:

http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/...48-8240-4934-BBD8-34FB8A0FCE3B&displaylang=en

and it did not solve the problem. I am a newb in terms of CPU issues, does anyone know other possibilities that might cause a 30% decrease in CPU performance? For example, I am using MB onboard sound, but that can't have that much of an impact, can it? Can anyone suggest a good trouble shooting guide for the Core 2 duo CPUs?

Thanks.
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In addition, extreme tech gives higher frame rates for the 3Dmark06 CPU test on a core 2 duo 6600:

Test 1: 0.673 fps (extreme tech) vs 0.444 fps (my CPU)
Test 2: 1.036 fps (extreme tech) vs 0.717 fps (my CPU)

http://www.extremetech.com/article2/0,1697,2014682,00.asp
Another person has suggested that my ram is too weak:

http://forums.guru3d.com/showthread.php?p=2074107#post2074107

I have 2 x 1G DDR II Pc4300 533 Mhz Kingston. Is this correct? Is 6400 RAM (800 MHz) necessary to adequately run a core 2 duo 6600 processor?
Another person has suggested that my ram is too weak:

http://forums.guru3d.com/showthread.php?p=2074107#post2074107

I have 2 x 1G DDR II Pc4300 533 Mhz Kingston. Is this correct? Is 6400 RAM (800 MHz) necessary to adequately run a core 2 duo 6600 processor?
You got it, you pretty much bottlenecked your system with that memory. If you look the benchmarks you linked to test the E6600 with DDR2 667 memory and DDR2 800...go for the DDR2 800 if you do decide to upgrade. Also even if you had identical rigs to the ones tested there will always be variances....but you shoud be within a 2% or less delta
twajetmech: thanks for the input, yeah, looks like I'll have to upgrade. It is only like a $50-$100 difference in price to go to the 800 MHz RAM.
Question: Does the RAM frequency have to equal 3x the processor frequency to keep from bottlenecking? Here is my info from cpu-z:

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Processor 1 (ID = 0)
Number of cores 2
Number of threads 2 (max 2)
Name Intel Core 2 Duo E6600
Codename Conroe
Specification Intel(R) Core(TM)2 CPU 6600 @ 2.40GHz
Package Socket 775 LGA (platform ID = 0h)
CPUID 6.F.6
Extended CPUID 6.F
Core Stepping B2
Technology 65 nm
Core Speed 1600.1 MHz (6.0 x 266.7 MHz)
Rated Bus speed 1066.7 MHz
Stock frequency 2400 MHz
Instructions sets MMX, SSE, SSE2, SSE3, SSSE3, EM64T
L1 Data cache 2 x 32 KBytes, 8-way set associative, 64-byte line size
L1 Instruction cache 2 x 32 KBytes, 8-way set associative, 64-byte line size
L2 cache 4096 KBytes, 16-way set associative, 64-byte line size
FID/VID Control yes
FID range 6.0x - 9.0x
max VID 1.150V

Northbridge Intel P965/G965 rev. C2
Southbridge Intel 82801HB (ICH8) rev. 02
Graphic Interface PCI-Express
PCI-E Link Width x16
PCI-E Max Link Width x16
Memory Type DDR2
Memory Size 2048 MBytes
Memory Frequency 266.7 MHz (1:1)
CAS# 4.0
RAS# to CAS# 4
RAS# Precharge 4
Cycle Time (tRAS) 12

DIMM #1 (&2)

General
Memory type DDR2
Manufacturer (ID) Kingston (7F98000000000000)
Size 1024 MBytes
Max bandwidth PC2-4300 (266 MHz)
Part number
Serial number A21CF5E1
Manufacturing date Week 11/Year 05

Attributes
Number of banks 2
Data width 64 bits
Correction None
EPP no

Timings table
Frequency (MHz) 200 266 266
CAS# 3.0 4.0 5.0
RAS# to CAS# delay 3 4 4
RAS# Precharge 3 4 4
TRAS 9 12 12
TRC 12 16 16

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So one thing that I noticed right away is that my memory is clocking at 266.7MHz, whereas it should be 533MHz (based on what I purchased). Unless you are supposed to add them together? - I have two 1GB sticks.

Also, for whatever reason the core freq is 6 times the memory freq, though I don't know enough about this to understand why. If 6 times the memory = your processor freq, then yes I do have a problem. I would then need 50% more bandwidth in the memory to reach the proper 2400MHz frequency in the cpu. Thus, if I had 800MHz ram (ie 2x 400MHz per stick), then 6x 400MHz = 2400MHz, and therefore I would need the 800MHz ram to keep from bottlenecking my cpu. But really, I don't know enough about this to know whether this is correct.

cpu-z does seem to suggest my CPU has 2 cores, and 2 threads. I probably could use more assistance, a guide on knowing what things to tweak would be much appreciated.
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Actually, it would be ideal to match the FSB (front side bus) freq and memory freq....then you'd be running at what we call a 1:1 ratio which offers the best performance, however finding memory that runs 1066 is both extremely expensive and because at the moment 1066 memory has such teririble latancies 800 memory with tighter timings is just about equal in performance. Your memory...if in a matched pair is DDR2 (double dta rate) thus runing at a freq of 266 X 2 = 533
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