[Dustin_Broke]

I was wondering about this but will there actualy be any difference if one is PCI or one is AGP for the ATI Radeon 7200 32mb video card? Basicly what would be the difference if one is AGP and one is PCI card? Maybe there is someone here that knows about older video cards.



Thanks

 

[shotgn]

Depends on the interface on the motherboard. Older units used agp

What are the specs on your computer to best determine your needs

 

[Dustin_Broke]

Well I have an eMachines T1100 and it only has 3 PCI open slots. But I was just wondering that if my tower had an AGP slot would it make any difference having a Radeon 7200 that is AGP or PCI? Basicly I want to know that in general on any cards will it make any difference if two same cards have same specs but one is AGP and one is PCI? If so what are the difference? Like even if you had a GeForce FX 5200 256mb PCI or GeForce FX 5200 256mb AGP.



I have upgraded the power suppy to a 450 watt and also added more ram and replaced the 20 GB hard drive to 60 GB hard dive.



My system specs


CPU : Intel® Celeron® Processor 1GHz (w/128KB)
Operating System : Genuine Microsoft® Windows® XP Home Edition

Chipset : Intel® 810 chipset, 100MHz FSB
Memory : 512MB SDRAM
Hard Drive : 60GB HDD
Optical Drive : DVD Rom
Video : Intel® DirectAGP 3D (810 shared)
Sound : Intel® 82801 AC '97 Audio
Modem : 56K ITU v.92-ready PCI internal Fax/Modem
Ports/Other : 2 USB ports (1 on front bezel), 1 Serial, 1 Parallel, 2 PS/2, Audio In & Out, 1
Midi/Game on front bezel, Mic-In & Head Phone jack on front

 

[koala]

As far as I can tell, your motherboard doesn't have an AGP slot, only PCI.

PCI graphics cards are slow and expensive compared to newer AGP and PCIE cards.

Will you be using the computer for anything graphically intensive like gaming or image/video editing?

GeForce 8400GS 512mb 64-bit GDDR2 PCI - $87 plus $7 shipping - http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814139038

 

[Dustin_Broke]

Well I can get some good deals on video cards on Ebay. But I was wondering that is there is a noticeable difference between PCI cards and AGP cards. I know PCI is slower but will you actualy see the difference is you have compaird two same cards but one is PCI and one is AGP.

I play older games like UT 2004, The Sims 2 and Quake 3 Arena, etc.

This is the motherboard I have. http://www.e4allupgraders.info/dir1/motherboards/socket370/anaheim3.shtml

I currently own the Radeon 7200 32mb PCI card and I was wondering that if I had the AGP version and had an AGP slot would it made any difference on performance.

Come to think of it if PCI is slower does that mean the Intel i740 AGP I have it better? Since the onboard video chip I have is exacltly the same as the Intel i740 AGP video card. I researched this online.

 

[koala]

If your motherboard had an AGP slot then an AGP card would be faster than PCI, but your motherboard has 3 PCI slots and no AGP slots.

You're probably better off sticking with the onboard graphics. Test a game using onboard graphics and the PCI Radeon 7200 card to see which gives the best framerates.

 

[Dustin_Broke]

Here is what it says about the 810 has i740 core. So basicly my IGP is the same as the Intel i740.



"The GMA line of GPUs replaces the earlier "Intel Extreme Graphics", and the Intel740 line, which were discrete units in the form of AGP and PCI cards. Later, Intel integrated the i740 core into the Intel 810 chipset."



Btw is the Intel i740 AGP better than ATI Radeon 7200 32mb PCI? Or even is the Intel i740 AGP better than the PCI version of GeForce FX 5500 256mb? It seems like just because of a card that is PCI means is will never be even close to an AGP card like the Intel i740 that I have since it's AGP.

If this is the case that any AGP is better than PCI then probley my Intel i740 AGP is the best I can get.

 

[koala]

Sorry, I can't say for sure which is best. I haven't used onboard or PCI/AGP for about 6 years now. Test them both to see which gives the highest framerates at the highest graphics settings.

 

[Dustin_Broke]

Well in general does all AGP cards perform better than any PCI type cards?


Btw how were you able to upload a custom avatar on this forums? Since I tried to but there is no area that says upload custom avatar on my control pannel on this site.

 

[koala]

In general, yes. But there's a wide range of PCI and AGP cards, so a high quality PCI card might out-perform a low quality AGP card. You'd need to look at the clock speeds, memory type and other features and run some comparison tests.

You need to be a staff member or have 500 posts or make a donation to the site if you want to use a custom avatar, but there are some default ones available in your user control panel options.

 

[Dustin_Broke]

If I donate money where is the money going to? Like is it going to help people who don't have money to buy computers or help people who are disabled like Goodwill?

Ok I did find the donate link and it seems like its to help make this forums work right but does it also goto disabled people?


Btw if anyone knows more about if any AGP cards will be better than any PCI cards let me know. Thanks

 

[koala]

All donations go towards the upkeep of the site, to keep the servers running. I'm not sure if any money goes to charities. You can contact our site admin Horse if you have any questions about donations.

 

[Dustin_Broke]

I did find out that the Intel i740 AGP card is a AGP 2X so it is 533 MB/s. PCI is only 133 MB/s which is alot slower so looks like probley any AGP cards are better. Of cource if the Intel i740 was an AGP 8X then it would of been super faster but it's only 2X but still faster than PCI that is 133.

 

[koala]

Your motherboard does not have an AGP slot, so you can't use an AGP card.

Open your PC case and see if you can find the AGP card.

The 3 white horizontal slots at the bottom of the picture are PCI. The 2 black vertical slots are RAM. No AGP.

From your link in post#5:

Expansion Slots
3 PCI

 

[Dustin_Broke]

I know that my MB only has 3 PCI but remember that my onboard video is axactly the same as the Intel i740 that is AGP? My onboard video is AGP forsure I know that for a fact since eMachines tech guys said so and also the specs say it's an Intel 3D Direct AGP which is the i740 video card. The Intel i740 is AGP 2X and my onboard video is using AGP 2X also. What sucks is that only my onboard can use the AGP and I can't replace the Intel i740 with a better AGP card.

 

[koala]

OK, I just wanted to make sure there was no confusion about AGP cards and onboard AGP. :smile:

Let us know how the comparison tests go between your onboard and PCI card. I'd be interested to see which is faster.

 

[Dustin_Broke]

If there is someone that can test and see if any AGP cards is better than any PCI cards please let me know.



Thank You very much.

 

[Dustin_Broke]

Ok this is what it seems like. When I used the Radeon 7200 PCI card it seems like now my games run alot smoother and I can have the graphic settings higher than before. But since it's PCI when I' am not playing a game it seems like it's kinda slower on things like on Youtube or when viewing video related stuff. I guess there are pros and cons on PCI cards but since my games run better I guess using my Radeon 7200 runs better overall which is really strange since I thought AGP would mean it's better than any PCI cards. Maybe if I got the Radeon 7500 which is the top line of the 7000 series and it has 64mb or 128mb it would even make my games even run better.

Someone once told me that if you use lower res on playing games then it would be same as AGP but when you have the res on a high settings then AGP would be better but I don't know if that's true or not.

I do know that the Radeon 7500 series was the best top of the line Radeon cards back around 2002 and I can get one brand new for $40 on Ebay. I would assume that having more MB on the video ram would help alot. The one on Ebay for $40 is 128mb one which back then this card costed around $500 new.



Still I would like others to please test this out about difference between PCI and AGP cards and see what they get.



Thanks

 

[Dustin_Broke]

I did yesterday got the ATI Radeon 9250 256mb PCI card for $25 with shipping on Ebay but I wonder if this card is better than the 7500. Is the Radeon 9250 better than the 7500? I don't think the 9250 is high end but it might be a mid grade card when it was made around 2004 or 2005. But when I saw the specs they did look better than the 7500even the 7500 was top line back in 2002.

Eather way hopefully the 9250 will play my games even better than the 7200. I assume it will since it has 256mb instead of 32mb.

 

[koala]

The PCI 9250 is a better card than the AGP 7500, but both are low-end cards.

The Radeon 9250 has higher clock speeds, fill rates and memory bandwidth, and it support DirectX 8.1 so you'll be able to play some newer games (not DirectX 9 or 10 games though).