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I've got an Antec 450watt PSU. The thing is getting really, really, really hot. It has that thing where one of the fans stays off unless it is needed but I have never once see it come on. The variable speed seems to be working, as I have the sensor plugged into my mobo.

Anyway, is it normal for a PSU to get like...reaallly hot? For it to be the hottest thing in the computer?
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the psu looks a little on the light side for the system and would cause it to heat up
http://www.techsupportforum.com/showthread.php?t=107466
Yeah; I must agree with Dai. I am surprised you got that far with it really!



I recently replaced two PSU's from systems very similar to yours with antec TP-550's in them. They werent causing any trouble yet, but the 12volt rails were drooping down into the low 11volt readings like 11.7 to as low as 11.4 when the customers were gaming

your system is just to much "draw" for it your PSU will soon enough pop its cork, thats when you fry motherboards or memory sticks or video cards etc. Dont mean to alarm you, but feel obligated to tell ya!


The trouble with the SP & True Power Series is they are only 70% efficient thats means they are really at full load with 70% of the MAX rated wattage.
(Max rated wattage is their "selling" wattage :mad:
I suggest you look for the Antec Trio rail 650 watt PSU at newegg.com for $99.00 after rebate. This unit is 85% efficient! and is a head and shoulders above the SP and Tru Power product line. The Trio rail is antec answer to the ever more demanding computer voltage needs these days.

The Antec units are decent built, as evidenced by your 450 is trying to pull the wagon!

you could sell off your old unit on ebay to take some of the bite outta the new purchase ???? :4-dontkno
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Hi,

I have one of those same supplies and it is a great supply for a 450, but not up to what you are trying to get it to run. I have never seen mine get hot under usage. In fact, this power supply runs rather cool as power supplies go for normal load.
The owner of a respected computer distributor in my area suggested this power supply. I gave him all of my specs and that is the one that he told me to buy. There were more expensive and higher wattage PSU's for sale in his store, but he said that it would be more than sufficient for what I was running.

I was running all of this on a 350watt PSU that came with the case I have, which is the equivelent of a 20 dollar case. It ran fine for a long time, I just got a more beefy PSU because I upgraded my GFX card.

And, to further reduce the stress on my PSU, I switched my cooling fans from 12V DC fans to 115V AC cooling fans. Right now, the only thing that my PSU is running is this:

1 80mm LED Casefan.
2 Optical Drives
1 W.D. IDE H.D.D
1 Mobo
1 Hitachi SATA-II drive
2 3" neon sticks.
2 512MB DDR400 sticks.
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Yes that too...

Do you really think that the man would have recommended the PSU if it was not sufficient? He builds computers for people...
I calculated using a calculator and even with 8 120MM LED fans added (which I do not have) and over-compensation for capacitor aging, it still says I only need 440watts of power.
Yeah; I must agree with Dai. I am surprised you got that far with it really!



I recently replaced two PSU's from systems very similar to yours with antec TP-550's in them. They werent causing any trouble yet, but the 12volt rails were drooping down into the low 11volt readings like 11.7 to as low as 11.4 when the customers were gaming

your system is just to much "draw" for it your PSU will soon enough pop its cork, thats when you fry motherboards or memory sticks or video cards etc. Dont mean to alarm you, but feel obligated to tell ya!


The trouble with the SP & True Power Series is they are only 70% efficient thats means they are really at full load with 70% of the MAX rated wattage.
(Max rated wattage is their "selling" wattage :mad:
I suggest you look for the Antec Trio rail 650 watt PSU at newegg.com for $99.00 after rebate. This unit is 85% efficient! and is a head and shoulders above the SP and Tru Power product line. The Trio rail is antec answer to the ever more demanding computer voltage needs these days.

The Antec units are decent built, as evidenced by your 450 is trying to pull the wagon!

you could sell off your old unit on ebay to take some of the bite outta the new purchase ???? :4-dontkno
one thing: the efficiency of a psu is NOT the max load it can take, the efficiency is the rate at which the psu converts ac into dc. so, if there is 300w load on the psu, and it is 70% efficient, it will draw 430w from the outlet, so 130w of that will get dissipated as heat in the conversion process. therefore, low effiency psus are low quality ones in that they get very hot since theyre wasting alot of power. he doesnt have that powerful of a system though, so his psu isnt overloaded, its probably just something wrong with the fan control, is there any way to just put the fan to run all the time?
if you have a psu that 450w and is 75% proficient that = a 338w psu
nope, again, thats not what efficient means... if you have a 450w psu and its 75% efficient, it will use 600w from the wall in order to put out 450w in dc, like i explained earlier using a 350w psu...
There are two fans in my PSU. One on the front and one on the back. The Antec product information states that the fan in the back, meaning the one that blows air out of the back of the case, does not come on until a certain ambient power supply temperature is reached. There is a lead that, for fan monitoring purposes ONLY, plugs into the motherboard. With speedfan, the first fan (the one actually drawing air from inside the case) registers anywhere from 950RPM to 2000RPM, depending on how long my computer has been on, respective to the amount of heat buildup. The only way to MAKE the other fan come on is to open the power supply up, thereby voiding the warranty, and hardwire the fan. There is no fan control included with this power supply.

As I have previously stated, I was running what I have now and more on a very cheap 350watt power supply - one that was included with the 20 dollar case I bought. On that power supply I was running:

2 120mm case fans
2 80mm case fans
3 IDE Hard Drives
The motherboard
CPU
CPU Fan
Wireless Keyboard
Wireless Mouse
1 PCI Slot fan
XFX GeForce 7600GS
2 Optical Drives
Sound Blaster card
2 512MB DDR400 RAM sticks

The power supply worked for as long as I had it - about two and a half months. That power supply is now being used to power fans only for another project of mine unrelated to computers. It still works.
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you forgot one major thing in your summary Floydfan! that extra 130 watts of power was dispated into the PSU itself as "heat" what happens to the voltage output the more you raise the temps. The higher the heat in the PSU unit, they less it can put out. PSU on average lose 5 watts of power for every 2 degress C the temp is increased, hence the reason why many private PSU testers plce test units in a "hot box" then run a power demanding unit, the result, many times they will pop their cookies for good.



so therfore; its a "proven fact" a higher efficiency unit will put out more juice than a lower efficiency unit, simply becuase of reduced heat.


quote:

Heat is a power supply's worst enemy, every component in a power supply is designed to work most optimum at a specific temperature, but not necessarily a realistic operating temperature (especially under heavy loading conditions). Capacity diminishes as temperature increases, and eventually the part will fail if it exceeds design parameters. Many people do not think about this, depending on the average ambient temperature inside their PC chassis, the PSU may or may not be able to operate at its full capacity (depending on how well the PSU was designed).

http://www.extremeoverclocking.com/articles/guides/Power_Supply_Guide_11.html


another MAJOR factor overlooked is most power supplies are tested and rated at 20 degress C; there is no computer I have ever seen with an internal operating temp of 20C, therfore the max rated wattage or the selling wattage is severely bogus to us, that's the reason why you must add 30% to the calculation provided by the PSU calc's prior to buying a unit.

Also the power supply wattage is its max output, no unit will ever even come close to operating in a stable means at its max wattage output.
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ofcourse, i fully recognize that a low efficiency psu will have issues with heat, i even stated that in one of my posts, i was just pointing out that psu efficiency means the efficiency at which it converts ac into dc. actually, pretty much any brand name psu labels its continuous output not max, many psus even exceed their ratings. pc power and cooling test their psus at 50c, and in order to actually get rated at a certain power output, they have to pass very stringent ripple allowance (something like .1v), so the psu will be able to exceed its power output, albeit with slightly more ripple (most psus dont even approach .1v ripple), so not all psus fail to reach their stated values.
huh???? how many units manufacturers test their units at 50C ????


the only ones I know of are PC Power & Cooling & Seasonic


my point is; the efficiency does have a direct effect on the quanity and quality of amperage the unit is capable to deliver, whether directly or indirectly.
*sigh* yeah i know efficiency determines quality of the psu, i already mentioned it twice. my point is that if you read a bunch of power supply reviews, most psus meet their ratings, only generic ones fail. very few psu manufacturers test at 50c, but reputable ones still test at fairly normal temps like 40c, such as enermax.
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