A little Advice Plz.

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zeziba

Discussion Starter · Jun 15, 2008 (Edited)

Ok, outa these two builds which one will get met everything and a bag of chips so to speak. I want to be able to play all video games and run any program. I do alot of web page building and video gaming. Which one will get me more for my buck, please offer some changes to ethier one to make it a better build.

EDIT: Last time I put one together it took forever to get the drivers loaded is there a easier way to get all the drivers needed so I can do a one time load?

Quad-Core Extreme w/x2 9600 GT and 64 Vista---------------------------
Case ( Nzxt Alpha Gaming Tower Case w/420W Power Supply Black )
Power Supply 1000 Watt -- Corsair CMPSU-1000HX Power Supply
Processor Intel Core 2 Extreme Quad-Core Processor QX9650 3.0 Ghz
Processor Cooling Thermaltake MaxOrb CPU Cooling Fan System Kit Silent & Overclocking Proof
Motherboard Asus P5N-T Deluxe NVIDIA nForce 780i SLI
Memory ( 4096MB [2048MB X2] DDR2-800 PC6400
Video Card 2x NVIDIA GeForce 9600GT 1GB
Hard Drive 500 GB HARD DRIVE [Serial-ATA-II, 3Gb, 7200 RPM, 16M Cache
CD/DVD Drive ( 16x DVD-ROM + 52x32x52 CD-RW Combo Drive Beige )
CD-RW/DVD-RW Drive ( [Lightscribe Technology] 20X Dual Format/Double Layer DVD±R/±RW + CD-R/RW Drive Black )
Network Card Killer K1 - Online Gaming Accelerator - w/ 333Mhz NPU
Flash Media Reader/Writer 12-In-1 Internal Flash Media Card Reader/Writer
Operation System Microsoft Windows Vista Home Premium 64-Bit

TOTAL COST=
$3,344
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Dual-Core E8400 Wolfdale w/x2 8800 GTS and 32 Vista
XCLIO Windtunnel Fully Black Finish 1.0 mm SECC Chassis ATX Full Tower Computer Case - Retail
2pcs enormous blue LED 250mm fans
$119.99
CORSAIR CMPSU-1000HX 1000W ATX12V 2.2 / EPS12V 2.91 Power Supply UL, CE, CB, TUV, FCC, CCC - Retail
$279.99
Intel Core 2 Duo E8400 Wolfdale 3.0GHz LGA 775 65W Dual-Core Processor Model BX80570E8400 - Retail
$189.99
ASUS P5N72-T Premium LGA 775 NVIDIA nForce 780i SLI ATX Intel Motherboard - Retail
$259.99
CORSAIR Dominator 2GB (2 x 1GB) 240-Pin DDR2 SDRAM DDR2 1066 (PC2 8500) Dual Channel Kit Desktop Memory Model TWIN2X2048-8500C5D - Retail
$198.00
x2 EVGA 512-P3-N845-AR GeForce 8800GTS (G92) KO 512MB 256-bit GDDR3 PCI Express 2.0 x16 HDCP Ready SLI Supported Video Card - Retail
$519.98
Western Digital Raptor X WD1500AHFD 150GB 10000 RPM SATA 1.5Gb/s Hard Drive - OEM
$174.99
SAMSUNG SpinPoint T Series HD501LJ 500GB 7200 RPM SATA 3.0Gb/s Hard Drive - OEM
$178.98
SABRENT CRW-UINB 65-in-1 USB 2.0 Internal Card Reader w/ USB 2.0 Port supports SDHC/VISTA - Retail
$13.99
LG Blu-ray/HD DVD-ROM & 16X DVD±R DVD Burner Black SATA Model GGC-H20L - Retail
$159.99
SAMSUNG 20X DVD±R DVD Burner with LightScribe Black SATA Model SH-S203N - OEM
$30.99
Intel EXPI9300PT 10/ 100/ 1000Mbps PCI-Express Gigabit Performance to the Desktop - Retail
$43.99
Microsoft Windows Vista Ultimate SP1 English NA DVD - Retail
$289.99

TOTAL BUILD COST=$2,443.34

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linderman

· #2 · Jun 17, 2008 (Edited)

the second system tweaks my ears! especially for the price tag

as for drivers>>>>>> most all of them come from the motherboard manuf's website ?????

the first system is a waste of $$$$$$$$$$$$$ without the muscle to warrant that price tag ? two thumbs down on that one

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patriothntr

· #3 · Jun 17, 2008

The cost on the first one comes from the excessive cost of the processor. Switch it out with a e9450 and plan on OCing it to 3.2 or so...that'll bring down your costs so you can get the better cards from the second system. With your budget I would also be looking at the new WD raptor drive...http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822136260&Tpk=300gb+raptor

I might drop the network card killer, and use onboard to save some bucks while you're at it. Unless you're going high high end, that's a lotta dough to spend on a NIC.

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zeziba

Discussion Starter · #4 · Jun 18, 2008

Ok this spec is looking good. Now alittle more help would be appreciated, is there any parts in this build that I could change out for a increase in preformance? Like would a water cooler or other be good to build, this is going to be the second system ive built so anything that can help to lengthen the life span of this system would be helpful.

Dual-Core E8400 Wolfdale w/x2 8800 GTS and 32 Vista
XCLIO Windtunnel Fully Black Finish 1.0 mm SECC Chassis ATX Full Tower Computer Case - Retail
2pcs enormous blue LED 250mm fans
$119.99
CORSAIR CMPSU-1000HX 1000W ATX12V 2.2 / EPS12V 2.91 Power Supply UL, CE, CB, TUV, FCC, CCC - Retail
$279.99
Intel Core 2 Duo E8400 Wolfdale 3.0GHz LGA 775 65W Dual-Core Processor Model BX80570E8400 - Retail
$189.99
ASUS P5N72-T Premium LGA 775 NVIDIA nForce 780i SLI ATX Intel Motherboard - Retail
$259.99
CORSAIR Dominator 2GB (2 x 1GB) 240-Pin DDR2 SDRAM DDR2 1066 (PC2 8500) Dual Channel Kit Desktop Memory Model TWIN2X2048-8500C5D - Retail
$198.00
x2 EVGA 512-P3-N845-AR GeForce 8800GTS (G92) KO 512MB 256-bit GDDR3 PCI Express 2.0 x16 HDCP Ready SLI Supported Video Card - Retail
$519.98
Western Digital Raptor X WD1500AHFD 150GB 10000 RPM SATA 1.5Gb/s Hard Drive - OEM
$174.99
SAMSUNG SpinPoint T Series HD501LJ 500GB 7200 RPM SATA 3.0Gb/s Hard Drive - OEM
$178.98
SABRENT CRW-UINB 65-in-1 USB 2.0 Internal Card Reader w/ USB 2.0 Port supports SDHC/VISTA - Retail
$13.99
LG Blu-ray/HD DVD-ROM & 16X DVD±R DVD Burner Black SATA Model GGC-H20L - Retail
$159.99
SAMSUNG 20X DVD±R DVD Burner with LightScribe Black SATA Model SH-S203N - OEM
$30.99
Intel EXPI9300PT 10/ 100/ 1000Mbps PCI-Express Gigabit Performance to the Desktop - Retail
$43.99
Microsoft Windows Vista Ultimate SP1 English NA DVD - Retail
$289.99

TOTAL BUILD COST=$2,443.34

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patriothntr

· #5 · Jun 18, 2008

Well, your board comes with dual gigabit ethernet ports on it, so I would drop that card for now...if you find you need it later, or are hurting in games, go for it.

I would be looking at an aftermarket cooler for your chip, like an Arctic Cooler Freezer...
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16835186134

Just my thoughts...build looks good...

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johnny1994

· #6 · Jun 18, 2008

i would go for the second build.
much better peformance for the price. try the xfx 9800gtx xxx black edition, it comes with call of duty 4

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zeziba

Discussion Starter · #7 · Jun 19, 2008

Well said:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16835186134[/url]

Just my thoughts...build looks good...

Thanks for the adcice about the cooler.

johnny1994 said:
i would go for the second build.
much better peformance for the price. try the xfx 9800gtx xxx black edition, it comes with call of duty 4

I was thinking and I do have a little extra money ly'n around so Im going to go with this card.

EVGA 01G-P3-1280-AR GeForce GTX 280 1GB 512-bit GDDR3
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814130365
$649.99

From what some of my friends have told me this is the card you will want to go with until something better comes out. I dont know if that true but from all the reviews ive read and what my friends tell me im gonna go with this one, and buy another in about 2 months then run SLI on them.

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patriothntr

· #8 · Jun 19, 2008

You might want to wait, and pick up one of the GTX 260 cards when they come out...400 bucks with a 10-15% performance hit...still plenty of guts, but you don't pay out quite as much for one...

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Kalim

· #9 · Jun 20, 2008 (Edited)

The last system but using CF 4850 GFX, which is around $400 but beats the 280 GTX by a ~15% margin in performance at least: http://forums.slickdeals.net/showthread.php?sduid=0&p=11786407

GTX 280 is a waste of money, heat and power. Large waste. If you need much more performance, wait for 4870X2 and you'll have something it doesn't compete with in price and performance.

But my numero uno advice to you is, get something you need, a system designed for you needs and nothing else as all the rest will go to waste and its better spent on a partner or potential partner :wink:

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patriothntr

· #10 · Jun 20, 2008

Well, I'm gonna wait to see some real benchmarks to agree with that statement...

It's definitely a good time to be buying a graphics card...the 9800gtx should be dropping in price to match the 4850, which means that everything else will drop too

According to some benchmarks, the GTX 280 does surprisingly well on power...well enough at idle that hybrid SLI might not even be relevant with the nex gen cards.

Kalim is right...set a price, and don't go above it...cause you always can...

~P

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linderman

· #11 · Jun 20, 2008

Kalim is 100% correct to buy more system than you need is just plain waste of $$$$$$$$$

doesnt matter what you buy it will need to be upgraded in about 2 years anyway >>>>

make sure you are able to run the applications you like and phoowey with all the rest of it.

I have never seen anybody that couldnt game with the best of them if they owned an 8800GT or better

as for SLI, that dog has been dying for awhile now, much better in theory than in actual practice, unless you are in the circumstance where "value" doesnt have to be factored in ??? :4-thatsba

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patriothntr

· #12 · Jun 20, 2008

Well, I doubt SLI is going to die...at least not for a few more years if at all. It does do much better than an individual card if the drivers are optimized...it's true that you aren't going to get double the performance, but ah well...that's life.

You're right about value being value...I try to go by the budget of the person, if they want something for x amount of dollars, fill the budget.

Oh yeah, and you can get a 9800gtx/4850 for $180 now....that's a good deal...As far as the most bang for your buck, that's it.

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Kalim

· #13 · Jun 21, 2008

patriothntr said:
Well, I'm gonna wait to see some real benchmarks to agree with that statement...

There is plenty around that shows 4850 CF is better than a 280 GTX in price and performance, i.e. http://www.anandtech.com/video/showdoc.aspx?i=3338&p=16
Tri-crossfire still beats 280 GTX in price and by far in performance, I think you'll agree. Nvidia products were excellent but the new ATi products are setting the milestones now and its good. Better prices for better performance to us. :wink:

What Joe means is, SLI scales no where near how CF, TF and QF does. Another thing, the majorities will suffice with one modern day GPU completely and we should be careful in how much we make them splash out in debt :tongue:
With authority for advice should come astuteness and responsibility for what we advise. :wink:

BTW, hello Joe, good to see you around :wave:

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