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Old 10-05-2015, 10:37 AM   #1
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At the end of the 2nd world war a German fighter pilot ace made the following statement. "When we Germans fly over England the English duck but when the Americans fly over everyone ducks." Seems things haven't changed.
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That makes no sense... If the Americans were flying over England, why would they duck? Did any American planes bomb London?

This is the dumbest statement to have applied to the tragedy in Afghanistan of which the air support was called in by the ANA and it was them that gave the target location to the pilot...

Sad for the wrong life that was lost... but to put the blame on the American pilot is stupid.

A pilot performing CAS has to rely on the boots providing targets and locations, the boots now being the ANA.
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A pilot performing CAS has to rely on the boots providing targets and locations, the boots now being the ANA.
And therefore there's a good likelihood that we'll be used to settle personal scores.
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To Drew 1369: I accept your point. No nastiness was intended.
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Sad for the wrong life that was lost... but to put the blame on the American pilot is stupid.

A pilot performing CAS has to rely on the boots providing targets and locations, the boots now being the ANA.
Don't be too fast to deflect blame...

While maybe not the pilots fault, though they did know the exact coordinates of the hospital, there were US Forces there too. According to Gen. Campbell (US Commander in Afgh.)
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even though Afghan security forces asked for U.S. air support, it was up to the American forces to conduct a "rigorous review" of the conditions on the ground before launching an attack.
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To Drew 1369: I accept your point. No nastiness was intended.
Sorry, but you were blaming my brothers for a target they did not call... I get a bit more... crass I think is the proper word there. My apologies for that.

And yustr, how nice it would be to do a "rigorous review" in the throws of combat...

I'm not blaming anyone, mistakes happen during times of death, again, sad for the loss of life, it is more devestating to the pilot who dropped the bomb that now has to live with the fact that he killed doctors of all people... those dedicated to stopping death... I can't imagine what is going thru the pilot's mind right now
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And yustr, how nice it would be to do a "rigorous review" in the throws of combat...

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I understand the fog of war, but there's no evidence (yet released) that there were bullets flying at any time during this tragedy.
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I understand the fog of war, but there's no evidence (yet released) that there were bullets flying at any time during this tragedy.
So it is a guilty until innocent kind of day?
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Frankly, the fact that there are so few of these mistakes is a testament to the dedication and skills of our Armed Forces. The poor devils have been repeatedly deployed and redeployed . . extended and had all kinds of foolish mistreatment heaped upon them. They are fighting a war that has no goal and has no definition of success and thus, has no end . . and after almost 15 years, we have no better understanding of the area than we did when we blundered in.

It is impossible to define the "enemy" and therefore impossible to defeat them. We have been ricocheting around the Middle East with little to no real understanding of the mentality and motivation behind their actions. We arm and train groups only to find out that the arms are being used against us and the groups are killing our people.

We blundered in and created a situation worse than existed prior to our intervention. When they finally do get home, we loose almost one an hour to suicide.
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The U.S. military, whose own account of what took place changed in the initial days after the attack, has said that the hospital was “mistakenly struck” in an attempt to support Afghan security forces. But the military has declined to provide full details of the incident while its investigators examine what occurred in the worst example of errant U.S. air power in recent years. LINK bold added
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So, yup.
No one is disputing it was mistaking struck... of course it was, but how you have worded you're points is that it was struck with malice. That not enough "time" was used to verify in the throws of combat and purely the fault of the US flyer
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No one is disputing it was mistaking struck... of course it was, but how you have worded you're points is that it was struck with malice. That not enough "time" was used to verify in the throws of combat and purely the fault of the US flyer
Huh? I said what?

History tells us that relying on others to tell us where to attack is a recipe for "mistakes" - and in many cases score settling. Why were there US soldiers there if not to determine if and when to strike?
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First and foremost, you do not negotiate with terrorists, I swear on my life that no true warrior would want that...

Second, the code of conduct, of which he failed miserably at on all levels...

Third, he is a deserter, he abandoned his post not properly relieved of duty and got better men than him killed in the search.

He is a failure as a soldier, an American, and a human being and deserves no sympathy from the same.
. . apparently . .
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Sorry we killed your relatives, our condolences.

US to issue 'condolence payments' to families of victims of Afghan hospital airstrike | Fox News

I wonder if the money comes with a card?

26,000 civilians have died due to the recent war in Afghanistan and each US soldier in Afghanistan costs the US taxpayer $2.1 million a year. I really wonder if we are doing any good to anyone being over there.
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. . apparently . .
Good call, fair enough


To be fair, I was going off evidence, yustr was citing guilt for lack of
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American soldiers and airmen who killed and wounded dozens of civilians in a strike on an Afghanistan hospital violated U.S. rules of engagement and have been suspended as they await disciplinary action, military officials said Wednesday.

Briefing reporters on the results of two investigations, Gen. John Campbell, the U.S. commander in Afghanistan, described an egregious series of human and technical failures that led a U.S. warplane to destroy a medical charity's hospital in northern Afghanistan last month. Campbell and other officials would not say how many people had been removed from their jobs nor whether anyone higher in the chain of command would be subject to discipline.

"This was a tragic but avoidable accident caused primarily by human error," Campbell said
Some in military suspended for deadly Afghan hospital attack
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That is if you trust CNN to report "facts" . . . . .
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