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Old 12-17-2018, 05:58 AM   #1
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I have been using a Dell Vostro 3470 Desktop PC with Windows 10 Home 64-bit and McAfee Antivirus, both preinstalled. I suspect my PC has become slow despite good tech specs ( i3-8100 CPU, 12Gb DDR4 RAM) and I feel I may need to replace the McAfee s/w with a robust product which will protect me from internet-linked issues like Malware, Ransomware, hacking, etc. Different "review" websites like PCWorld, PCMag, etc. push different products (sponsored ?) like BitDefender Total Security, Norton Security Premium, Kaspersky Total Security, etc.

My PC came with the McAfee Multi-Device license for 15-month subscription, but I am not sure what product it actually is (i.e. McAfee LiveSafe / Total Protection, ?) as the icon on the taskbar states "McAfee Antivirus" but it also has "McAfee WebAdvisor" installed on all my web browsers, though it merely states which URLs are safe to click / access.

Would appreciate if experts here can guide me on whether I indeed need to replace the McAfee product on my PC with a Total Security product from one of the popular choices (which one ?). Thanks !
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Yes, I did read some posts, here and elsewhere, which recommend using just the Windows Defender on Windows 10 PCs, which seems quite risky. As I had mentioned in my earlier post, I use my PC for netbanking, online shopping / payments, etc. so can't risk a virus / malware / ransomware infection.
I also feel the limitations of WD has spawned such a big security s/w market :-)
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Hi @Corday, thanks for suggesting MB. I have used Malwarebytes (free version) earlier and it is useless. Didn't detect or remove some malware which eventually got removed by another s/w I had bought. Don't remember which one it was though. The licensed version of Malwarebytes may be good but isn't available in my region. Hence, my choice is limited to Norton / Kaspersky / BitDefender / McAfee only.
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Dear, For us, we would suggest you Windows defender but if you want to use Mcafee[as it is already installed], please enjoy using your computer and also McAfee WebAdvisor would help you to make your browsing much more safer.. Additionally please refer our experts advise using any of the below mentioned:

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my choice is limited to Norton / Kaspersky / BitDefender / McAfee only.
Among those four, I'd recommend Kaspersky. Bitdefender would have been my first choice, but the last time I gave it a try (Bitdefender Total Security 2018), it turned out to be a resource hog. It didn't last one hour on that test machine. The 2019 release is already out, but I'm not too eager to try it again because I doubt it has changed that much. You can always give it a try before buying, but be aware of the downsides of running third-party security software on your Windows PC. Those downsides are mostly the reason why the inbuilt, deeply integrated Windows Defender is recommended around here. I believe a trial is also available for Kapersky. I strongly advise you take a system image backup AFTER you get rid of McAfee and BEFORE you install any other third-party security software. That way, you can always easily revert back to that state in case something breaks along the way.
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Dear, For us, we would suggest you Windows defender but if you want to use Mcafee[as it is already installed], please enjoy using your computer and also McAfee WebAdvisor would help you to make your browsing much more safer.. Additionally please refer our experts advise using any of the below mentioned:

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Hi Vinod, am still not sure if I should continue with my current setup, where my Win'10 PC has McAfee Antivirus (with McAfee WebAdvisor add-on installed on all web browsers) to prevent any intrusion / infection thru internet access. Somehow, leaving it to just Windows Defender (and uninstalling McAfee altogether) seems unwise, considering my past experience. I am not a fan of freeware, so would rather invest in a good solid security product to be free of any anxiety while using my PC with constant internet access.
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Among those four, I'd recommend Kaspersky. Bitdefender would have been my first choice, but the last time I gave it a try (Bitdefender Total Security 2018), it turned out to be a resource hog. It didn't last one hour on that test machine. The 2019 release is already out, but I'm not too eager to try it again because I doubt it has changed that much. You can always give it a try before buying, but be aware of the downsides of running third-party security software on your Windows PC. Those downsides are mostly the reason why the inbuilt, deeply integrated Windows Defender is recommended around here. I believe a trial is also available for Kapersky. I strongly advise you take a system image backup AFTER you get rid of McAfee and BEFORE you install any other third-party security software. That way, you can always easily revert back to that state in case something breaks along the way.

Hi @Stancestans, thanks for your inputs. Somehow, I feel I can't leave it to just Windows Defender (as some posts here n elsewhere suggest) but not sure if my McAfee product is sufficient to thwart any web-attacks, though I access only 'safe' sites. Seems I could choose between Kaspersky and BitDefender - both of which are rated highly by reviewers too.
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You asked for advice which you've received and now choose to ignore. Third party AVs are designed to make the companies money more than they are to protect you. Most will cause more problems in the long run than they will prevent.

Save your PC now, remove McAfee.
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Hi @Stancestans, thanks for your inputs. Somehow, I feel I can't leave it to just Windows Defender (as some posts here n elsewhere suggest) but not sure if my McAfee product is sufficient to thwart any web-attacks, though I access only 'safe' sites. Seems I could choose between Kaspersky and BitDefender - both of which are rated highly by reviewers too.
I can't comment on Mcafee. It's been over a decade since I last encountered it and even then I didn't like it because it was a resource hog as well. At that time, it was easily the best at disinfecting a system, but things change fast in IT. If memory serves me right it has changed ownership in the recent past? Maybe it is better now than it was, I don't know and have honestly never bothered to find out.

Kaspersky, on the other hand, I can comment on because it's what I use on my main PC. I've been using it for a year now (Internet Security 2018) without any bad incidents to report (Windows 10 1803). I've never purchased security software. I love the free stuff, and they've served me just fine for over a decade. A client of mine had a spare license and was kind enough to let me have it. Once that is expired, I'm reverting to the free version.

I wouldn't entirely depend on the av software alone to thwart malicious web connections though. A good ad-blocker and WOT have been of great help as well. My encounter with Windows Defender was in its early days, and it wasn't pretty. While it certainly has improved, I still don't care much to use it. To me it is at best just a convenience since it's integrated into Windows 10. It is built around Windows, so you can be sure to have the least compatibility or stability issues with it compared to third-party ones. If you choose to use third-party av software and you happen to have an unclear problem with Windows down the road, the av software will almost always be blamed for it even if it is not responsible. If you come back here with such a problem, expect to be firmly directed to get rid of the third-party av first, as part of the troubleshooting. Some even believe that you cannot truly completely remove third-party av from your Windows PC, and that the only way of doing so is via a clean Windows installation! That's when you will be glad to have kept a system image backup.

Choice of av aside, the weakest link will always be you, the user. I've seen users allow firewall prompts without giving a thought to what's requesting access. There're too many cases of people complaining about something getting installed while they were installing something else because they weren't too keen to uncheck optional offers. The same carelessness is seen with UAC prompts. In the end, it doesn't matter how "strong" or "good" their av solution is, the user will always be the weakest link. Some threats do not necessarily affect your computer, for example scam tech support sites that target unsuspecting users. Those will almost always be missed by av programs. Vigilance on your end will help protect you more than any av solution could.

Earlier on I stated that Bitdefender is a resource hog, but that is largely a subjective observation. In my testing of Total Security 2018, it used about 600MB of memory at idle! This may not be a problem for some, for example on systems with lots of memory (8GB+), but for me it was, since I do a lot of testing on VMs, so memory is precious.
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Choice of av aside, the weakest link will always be you, the user. I've seen users allow firewall prompts without giving a thought to what's requesting access. There're too many cases of people complaining about something getting installed while they were installing something else because they weren't too keen to uncheck optional offers. The same carelessness is seen with UAC prompts. In the end, it doesn't matter how "strong" or "good" their av solution is, the user will always be the weakest link. Some threats do not necessarily affect your computer, for example scam tech support sites that target unsuspecting users. Those will almost always be missed by av programs. Vigilance on your end will help protect you more than any av solution could.
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I can't comment on Mcafee. It's been over a decade since I last encountered it and even then I didn't like it because it was a resource hog as well. At that time, it was easily the best at disinfecting a system, but things change fast in IT. If memory serves me right it has changed ownership in the recent past? Maybe it is better now than it was, I don't know and have honestly never bothered to find out.

Kaspersky, on the other hand, I can comment on because it's what I use on my main PC. I've been using it for a year now (Internet Security 2018) without any bad incidents to report (Windows 10 1803). I've never purchased security software. I love the free stuff, and they've served me just fine for over a decade. A client of mine had a spare license and was kind enough to let me have it. Once that is expired, I'm reverting to the free version.

I wouldn't entirely depend on the av software alone to thwart malicious web connections though. A good ad-blocker and WOT have been of great help as well. My encounter with Windows Defender was in its early days, and it wasn't pretty. While it certainly has improved, I still don't care much to use it. To me it is at best just a convenience since it's integrated into Windows 10. It is built around Windows, so you can be sure to have the least compatibility or stability issues with it compared to third-party ones. If you choose to use third-party av software and you happen to have an unclear problem with Windows down the road, the av software will almost always be blamed for it even if it is not responsible. If you come back here with such a problem, expect to be firmly directed to get rid of the third-party av first, as part of the troubleshooting. Some even believe that you cannot truly completely remove third-party av from your Windows PC, and that the only way of doing so is via a clean Windows installation! That's when you will be glad to have kept a system image backup.

Choice of av aside, the weakest link will always be you, the user. I've seen users allow firewall prompts without giving a thought to what's requesting access. There're too many cases of people complaining about something getting installed while they were installing something else because they weren't too keen to uncheck optional offers. The same carelessness is seen with UAC prompts. In the end, it doesn't matter how "strong" or "good" their av solution is, the user will always be the weakest link. Some threats do not necessarily affect your computer, for example scam tech support sites that target unsuspecting users. Those will almost always be missed by av programs. Vigilance on your end will help protect you more than any av solution could.

Earlier on I stated that Bitdefender is a resource hog, but that is largely a subjective observation. In my testing of Total Security 2018, it used about 600MB of memory at idle! This may not be a problem for some, for example on systems with lots of memory (8GB+), but for me it was, since I do a lot of testing on VMs, so memory is precious.
@ Stancestans - Thanks for the detailed inputs again. Yes, I too have never used McAfee s/w aside from what was bundled with my PC way back in early 2000s. Quickly got rid of it to opt for Norton, I think, which was less of a resource hog and perceived to be more 'secure'. Kaspersky n BitDefender weren't around back then. Yes, you are right, McAfee got bought by Intel few years ago and is believed to be a good product now, though it isn't up there in the reviews, which are usually topped by BitDefender / Kaspersky / Norton Security in recent years. I had Norton Internet Security (later renamed Norton Security Standard) till last year, and when I bought this new Dell Vostro 3470 PC for Home use, have managed with the McAfee s/w preinstalled in it. But, some people have advised me to replace it with a 'Total Security' product which will take care of my internet access. So, as my McAfee s/w isn't an "Internet or Total Security" product am thinking of options, hence seek advise here.


I too used Kaspersky Internet Security (in 2009-10 I think) when I won a licensed version thru some online contest. It was ok but a resouce hog back then. Not sure if KIS / BIS / Norton have improved over time.

Also, in my region (Mumbai, India) BitDefender is the most expensive, followed by Kaspersky and then Norton. Norton support sucks, as experienced over the years, until earlier this year. Ditto with BD. Kaspersky haven't tried (or know anyone close who's tried) in recent times.


Lastly, as you said, end-users are indeed the weak-link in PC security issues. But, I am a 'safe' user and don't access 'unsafe' sites (you know which ones I'm referring to ). But, just as accidents happen on the road due to others' fault, I have got infected in the past even from so-called 'secure' sites (possibly due to some bad coding or backdoor vulnerabilities). So, better be safe than sorry !
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Unsafe doesn't necessarily mean porn :S just for everyone who will be reading this.. Unsafe means, any site which hosts porn, illegal content, pirated apps, unwanted ads, which use redirection to different domains from the parent domain, without a SSL cert etc...

Here's the best way if you don't know to recognize which is which.. use the standard recommended apps on your main machine, use a slim linux distro as either a dual-boot or a Virtual machine and then browse all sites there.. This minimizes the risk of catching something on the main machine.. Avoid file transfers between the Host and the VM.. You should be ok..
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Unsafe doesn't necessarily mean porn :S just for everyone who will be reading this.. Unsafe means, any site which hosts porn, illegal content, pirated apps, unwanted ads, which use redirection to different domains from the parent domain, without a SSL cert etc...

Here's the best way if you don't know to recognize which is which.. use the standard recommended apps on your main machine, use a slim linux distro as either a dual-boot or a Virtual machine and then browse all sites there.. This minimizes the risk of catching something on the main machine.. Avoid file transfers between the Host and the VM.. You should be ok..
@ tristar - Noted your point on 'unsafe' sites. Often adult sites are blamed for hosting malware and such, hence my clarification earlier. As I stated in my previous post, have seen even Banking sites with expired SSL certificates being flagged as unsafe by popular security s/w like Norton IS. Have also encountered false positives by reputed security suites. But, I feel it's worth investing in a robust 3rd party product which has strong firewall, browser, and overall system protection which the built-in Windows Defender doesn't offer. In some cases I have experienced even Malwarebytes (Free version) not even detecting malware & trojans which somehow sneaked into my earlier PC. Got rid of it with professional help as my data was very important. Hence, seek advise on best security suite for my Win'10 PC.


P.S.: I don't have option of 2nd PC to try out a Linux distro, like Ubuntu. Gotta manage with the one I have, besides an old HP Notebook, which is more of a backup system.
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Free versions of MBAM only help finding infections after they come in, you have to get the paid version for the "Guard" or whatever it's called to flag them as they come in..

You can have the best security installed, and it still only does so much.. I'd go with the forums recommendation with Win defender (infections) and the win Firewall (network attacks) on.. Beyond that it's up to you to do safe browsing..

You don't need another PC mate, just install Linux on to a flash drive and whenever you need to browse, boot from the flash drive... That is all..
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Free versions of MBAM only help finding infections after they come in, you have to get the paid version for the "Guard" or whatever it's called to flag them as they come in..

You can have the best security installed, and it still only does so much.. I'd go with the forums recommendation with Win defender (infections) and the win Firewall (network attacks) on.. Beyond that it's up to you to do safe browsing..

You don't need another PC mate, just install Linux on to a flash drive and whenever you need to browse, boot from the flash drive... That is all..
@tristar - Yes, I agree. Meanwhile, I came across this URL which gives a good rationale for keeping Win Def & MBAM Premium -

https://bit.ly/2m34NkD


Now, on comparing prices, realized that MBAM Premium costs way more than BitDefender TS, Kaspersky TS, or Norton Sec Premium - though all these suites have more features than MBAM does. Besides, MBAM doesn't have support for my region, except by email / chat that too at odd timings.


Besides the Recovery Media, I have a System Image (taken when PC was new), so guess will take my chances with what's running on my PC now (both Win Def and McAfee A/v are running simultaneously !!).
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You don't need the pro version of mbam...

Mcafee will auto disable win Def...

Rather, Win will identify another AV app running and will ask you which one to use, based on your choice the other will be disabled..
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You don't need the pro version of mbam...

Mcafee will auto disable win Def...

Rather, Win will identify another AV app running and will ask you which one to use, based on your choice the other will be disabled..

Well, the free version of MBAM is rather limited in features, so the premium one seems more useful. Last year when my PC was infected with some trojan / malware, MBAM free version didn't even detect it. Got it removed by another s/w (BitDefender TS, I think). Norton Security installed didn't detect it either.


Yes, noticed that McAfee has some 10 services installed of which 7 are running (rest on Manual), while Win Def Firewall service is running but not the its Antivirus service. So, seems an overlap of sorts with both McAfee A/v and Win Def running :-)
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