newhouse1390

...and if the country wanted your plan they would have elected you.

40sondacurb

Well he did get a good percent of the vote, it wasn't a slam dunk for bush. But think how much people must have hated him for him to lose to Bush.

koala

At least Kerry has the courage of his convictions and fought for his country, unlike the President who has sent thousands of American patriots to their needless deaths to satisfy his puppetmasters, the oil companies.

newhouse1390

How foolish can one be? It is the duty of this country to always support their military regardless of political beliefs. You are attacking our military service men and women by politicizing their service and their lost lives. All of our service members are to be given the utmost respect for their service and we always should show our gratitude. Unlike what John Kerry did then and what John Kerry is doing now. List the source of your documents and do not tell me it was CBS. What senators like Kerry, Kennedy and Reid are doing is dangerous for a country in a time of war. I am not saying that they shouldn't speak out I just want them to take merit to what they say, and follow up with the necessary actions to fix the problems. If Congress really felt that this war was based on lies then they would not continue to fund it. It is a disgrace / embarrassment to our government that people like Kennedy Kerry and Reid continue to attack the war, (saying we were taken there on lies) without taking any more action. At least the anti-American left, which wants to get out of Iraq immediately and to impeach the president, is consistent. But Kennedy and his colleagues like Sen. Harry Reid do not really want to follow the logic of their accusations. They would rather just damage the president--and the country's foreign policy--and enjoy the political effect.

newhouse1390

What much people? I think since Bush won the election that there are more people that support him than not, am I wrong?

40sondacurb

Because politics and war are on the opposite sides or a ten foot poll right newhouse? The two are intertwined and what's foolish is the belief that you can exclude on from the other.

All the troops I've talked to are proud to serve their country, but they don't want to be over there any more than you or me, and they don't like being sent into the middle of Arabia to be used as target practice for jihadist. And this may not be true for all of them, but it is true for many, and they have a right for their voice to be heard.

ebackhus

It's not a war. It's an invasion. We declared "war" on terrorism but the simple fact is that terrorism is not a person or a country or anything like that. It's an idea.

forcifer

very true. i like the idea that we have ober there, just not how we are doing it. we should make it public that we are not trying to conquor the country, just setup a stable, anti communist, government

newhouse1390

I am not excluding one from the other, I am pointing out that you cannot politicize a war, and I do feel that is what has already been done. We didn't loose the Vietnam War in the jungles of South Vietnam we lost them in the courts of our very own country. Likewise with the War in Iraq we are not loosing on the battle field we are loosing in political area. Both of these uses of politics and war should have never been put one against the other. We are fighting amongst ourselves and our enemy at the same time; we make ourselves weaker by doing this.

Your right they do not want to be over there, and I wouldn't want to be if I didn't have to be either. I do not think they are being used as target practice either. They do have a right for their voice to be heard but you should not be the one passing that on. Our politicians are responsible for that.

newhouse1390

No you are worng Terrorists declared war on us, and since they are cowards and hide in weak third world countries like Iraq, we must hunt them down where ever they may be.

Tumbleweed36

While I agree that they have a right to be heard (meaning the soldiers), I don't feel they support your first statement that they are being sent over there for target practive for jihadist.

Just answer one question on that one.....Are they volunteers, or are they forced to join? Who in his right mind would join of their own free will, if they felt that way? I just want some clarity on this statement you made. I think that if a majority felt that way, we would not have a voluntary military force.

40sondacurb

What I mean is that they go over there expecting to fight and end up just waiting to be attacked. We've taken the bee hive but we're still being stung, so what's the point?

Tumbleweed36

Hey 40,

I was with you until the bee hive comment. Darn, why did you have to try and use that logic with me.

You are talking to a country boy here, who went to the big city for fame (I did O.K. on this one) and fortune (which I never got as much as I hoped I would), and then returned back home to the country life.

About the bee hive comment, I have a couple of them on my eight and a half acre place, own them and from time to time I still get stung. This point being, you can own the hive and still get stung.

40, have a great evening.

40sondacurb

lol that's problem with analogies, some country boy always has to expand on them.

ebackhus

How? Show me how and where they did this. Don't tell me, "Duh, 9/11!" because that was an attack.

bruiser

Here ya go: http://archives.cnn.com/2002/US/08/19/terror.tape.main/

On the other hand, what better way to declare war than with an attack?

bry623

EB, it is that obvious though. Keep it simple.

yustr

What I thinik EB's saying is:

Terrorism is an attitude not a place. It is a desperate reaction to insult – whether real or perceived makes little difference. Like the Minutemen of Revolutionary War times who hid behind trees and rocks in face of more powerful British echelons, terrorist use the weapons and tactics available – the most powerful being fear. Terrorism cannot be defeated by armies – only suppressed for a short time and at great cost. Even if we manage to subdue it to some extent, only by changing the social, political and economic environment that allows it to take root can it be eradicated. All the might in the world cannot do this. In fact, might brings more terror as now the insult is tangible proof that the suppression is real.

I do not mean to suggest that terrorists are not criminals – they are murders.

(It's been said that if we kill one, it's murder. If we kill thousands it's foreign policy.)

To win this “war” takes more than an invading army, for we cannot invade every country that might provide fertile soil for the roots of this noxious weed. No, it takes leadership, statesmanship, opportunity, cooperation, understanding, compassion; all words sorely missing from our current administration's vocabulary.

whodat

i say we ought to pump iraq dry of oil..and then iran

bry623

Part of the war on terrorisim is the spread of freedom. We have good allies in Islamic countries (Pakistan, Egypt, Qatar, UAE, Indonesia, Phillipines). Libya finally got the picture.

Face it, the terrorist attacks in our country (WTC one, USS Cole, 9/11 and all of the emassy bombings) came from Islamic extremists. Those are who we are fighting. By working with the ones who want to play nicely with the world, and removing those who don't we are trying to usher in an era of peace in that region.