Obama in a fix

~~Engineer Babar~~ · 11-06-2009, 10:27 AM

AS the generals' pressure for a big surge of troops in Afghanistan rises and President Obama's popular rating drops for carrying on an unwinnable war, there comes the news of mounting casualties, with a record number of GIs getting wounded and crippled. (According to the Pentagon sources, the death toll has remained consistently high between 70 and 80 in each of the past four months and the number of the amputees and the injured has crossed the 1,000 mark since September.) US Military's medical services are strained and there is fear of the injured and the sick receiving less-than-needed attention. NATO allies, Bush's "coalition of the willing", continue as usual to balk at jumping into the arena and prefer staying away at a safe distance. The enemy they face is gaining strength and seems to be cropping up everywhere, to their deathly discomfiture.

Pakistan Army's swift operation in Swat and now its courageous advance into the treacherous South Waziristan put the mightiest military force and its handpicked allies to shame. Secretary of State Hillary Clinton got a taste of the seething anti-American sentiments of the people of Pakistan, a key ally in the war on terror. In Afghanistan, the dream of democratic legitimacy of the government to be established through fair presidential elections vanishes, first with massive rigging and now with the refusal of Abdullah Abdullah, the runner-up in the first round, to participate in the run-off polls.

http://www.nation.com.pk/pakistan-ne...Obama-in-a-fix

Mcninjaguy · 11-08-2009, 02:55 AM

This article sure does use some mighty adjectives otherwise its just old news and a very biased stance it takes too. I can't say that there is none biased news source out there but siding with the Taliban in Afghanistan is a meh to me.

**speedster123** · 11-08-2009, 05:44 AM

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Pakistan Army's swift operation in Swat and now its courageous advance into the treacherous South Waziristan put the mightiest military force and its handpicked allies to shame.

Secretary of State Hillary Clinton got a taste of the seething anti-American sentiments of the people of Pakistan, a key ally in the war on terror

perhaps pakistan should have behaved this way years ago, instead of waiting to get paid off to act as the western world.

~~Engineer Babar~~ · 11-09-2009, 07:03 AM

Reality bites... haan??

Get real...

Mcninjaguy · 11-09-2009, 05:11 PM

I am real, face it I could say the the opposite from the article and who could trust either one. Everything is way too biased.

**Drew1369** · 11-09-2009, 05:56 PM

You know when I was in Pakistan, there was no "seething anti-American" hatred...

We played soccer, as well as Americans could (badly) vollyball, all in good sport and fun...

Is it hatred across the whole country... or was I just lucky at that point in your country's history?

Mcninjaguy · 11-09-2009, 06:31 PM

It would really suck if there was that much hate in a country. I don't think that that much hate is healthy. I mean I don't like the laws of some countries but I don't hate the people. Its really like that silly thing where people in Canada say they hate Americans Every time I meet one of them they are just ignorant pushovers.

Tumbleweed36 · 11-09-2009, 06:37 PM

Please elaborate some on this statement and provide more clarity:

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Originally Posted by Engineer Babar

Pakistan Army's swift operation in Swat and now its courageous advance into the treacherous South Waziristan put the mightiest military force and its handpicked allies to shame.

Mcninjaguy · 11-09-2009, 10:23 PM

I didn't say this at first but this article sounds like propaganda.

**Drew1369** · 11-09-2009, 11:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mcninjaguy

It would really suck if there was that much hate in a country. I don't think that that much hate is healthy. I mean I don't like the laws of some countries but I don't hate the people. Its really like that silly thing where people in Canada say they hate Americans Every time I meet one of them they are just ignorant pushovers.

Much like the Canadians down here!

Mcninjaguy · 11-10-2009, 01:38 AM

There are always the ignorant and their bliss is short cut when someone who is nice or of the opposite of what they think a certain person from a country is not who they are thought to be.

~~Engineer Babar~~ · 11-10-2009, 03:40 AM

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Originally Posted by speedster123

perhaps Pakistan should have behaved this way years ago, instead of waiting to get paid off to act as the western world.

Mister,

you really need your knowledge to be upgraded.. Most of the people in Pakistan don't like america.. And why should we have acted years ago like this?? terrorists didn't attacked us.. this is your war.. so fight it.. why your so called forces are pushing this war into Pakistan?? yeah the answer is so called super power is feeling shame on its defeat in Afghanistan and now they are trying to fight this war in Pakistan..

~~Engineer Babar~~ · 11-10-2009, 03:43 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mcninjaguy

I didn't say this at first but this article sounds like propaganda.

yeah may be, the same propaganda that your media does about our countries..
Tit for tat..

~~Engineer Babar~~ · 11-10-2009, 03:52 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Drew1369

Is it hatred across the whole country... or was I just lucky at that point in your country's history?

The hatred is for the American policies

.. Not for the general public and people.. you can still come and have a friendly match with us.. It is our tradition that we care for our guests more than our lives..

@Tumbleweed

I will reply to you a bit later

.. I am a bit busy now and your question needs a brief answer...

**SABL** · 11-12-2009, 06:13 AM

Let's see how long this thread will go before being locked.

Things are a mess in the whole area but what will happen without the presence of foreign troops?? Does anyone believe that peace will instantly appear with the withdrawal of NATO forces??

I do not like the fact that many young people from military forces worldwide have lost their life in war that was initiated by ideals. Very few wars do not get their start from idealists. It's a shame that any country should have to police the rest of the world, but if they don't, they can suffer dire consequences.

bry623 · 11-12-2009, 07:24 AM

I was just thinking today that if foreign troops leave, then the government will fall faster than Saigon.

~~Engineer Babar~~ · 11-12-2009, 07:58 AM

If foreign troops will leave that area, then we have to no longer support America by giving our bases and supplies as we are in the neighborhood of Afghanistan and we will get free from this so called war on terrorism.. Because it's giving us nothing.. Rather we are getting more and more reaction..

**djaburg** · 11-12-2009, 08:32 AM

At some point it would be funny to pull our troops from their operating locations around the world and let the many people we're helping deal with the issues they have on their own. If American doesn't respond fast enough we're accused of not moving fast enough, if we move too fast we're accused of butting in other people's business. Where was the rest of the world's aid during many of the worlds disasters and/or conflicts of late? If Pakistan were to be overrun by a bullying dictator, who would they call to for help? The UN? India? England? Germany? And more importantly, who would be there to help?

~~Engineer Babar~~ · 11-12-2009, 12:28 PM

I appreciate... But the point is about the unwinnwble war.. We as well as America are gaining nothing from it.. Pakistan is nowadays the soft target.. our forces are fighting on the west border and on the East border there is another threat.. India.. But I know my nation is very hard against these temporary hardships.. If we can make atomic bomb in such hard conditions, then these temporary hardships mean nothing..

**djaburg** · 11-12-2009, 12:34 PM

If the American military wanted to kill all of the enemy combatants in a given area with no regard to civilian casualties, we most certainly could and we'd be VERY effective. We have the firepower to do more damage than most people would imagine. But that's not what we do, we do our best to minimize collateral damage and ONLY target the combatants. We effectively could turn that entire part of the world in to a smoldering piece of glass if we so chose to, but again that's not what we as a nation are about.

Just out of curiosity Babar, where do you attend school? Is it in your home nation or abroad?

11-06-2009, 10:27 AM	#1 (permalink)
~~Engineer Babar~~ Troubled Join Date: Jul 2009 Posts: 724 OS: xp home 2006 sp2	Obama in a fix AS the generals' pressure for a big surge of troops in Afghanistan rises and President Obama's popular rating drops for carrying on an unwinnable war, there comes the news of mounting casualties, with a record number of GIs getting wounded and crippled. (According to the Pentagon sources, the death toll has remained consistently high between 70 and 80 in each of the past four months and the number of the amputees and the injured has crossed the 1,000 mark since September.) US Military's medical services are strained and there is fear of the injured and the sick receiving less-than-needed attention. NATO allies, Bush's "coalition of the willing", continue as usual to balk at jumping into the arena and prefer staying away at a safe distance. The enemy they face is gaining strength and seems to be cropping up everywhere, to their deathly discomfiture. Pakistan Army's swift operation in Swat and now its courageous advance into the treacherous South Waziristan put the mightiest military force and its handpicked allies to shame. Secretary of State Hillary Clinton got a taste of the seething anti-American sentiments of the people of Pakistan, a key ally in the war on terror. In Afghanistan, the dream of democratic legitimacy of the government to be established through fair presidential elections vanishes, first with massive rigging and now with the refusal of Abdullah Abdullah, the runner-up in the first round, to participate in the run-off polls. http://www.nation.com.pk/pakistan-ne...Obama-in-a-fix

11-08-2009, 02:55 AM	#2 (permalink)
Mcninjaguy Temporarily Banned Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Ottawa, Ontario, Canada Posts: 10,422 OS: Windows 7 Ultimate 64bit My System Blog Entries: 1	Re: Obama in a fix This article sure does use some mighty adjectives otherwise its just old news and a very biased stance it takes too. I can't say that there is none biased news source out there but siding with the Taliban in Afghanistan is a meh to me.

11-09-2009, 07:03 AM	#4 (permalink)
~~Engineer Babar~~ Troubled Join Date: Jul 2009 Posts: 724 OS: xp home 2006 sp2	Re: Obama in a fix Reality bites... haan?? Get real...

11-09-2009, 05:11 PM	#5 (permalink)
Mcninjaguy Temporarily Banned Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Ottawa, Ontario, Canada Posts: 10,422 OS: Windows 7 Ultimate 64bit My System Blog Entries: 1	Re: Obama in a fix I am real, face it I could say the the opposite from the article and who could trust either one. Everything is way too biased.

11-09-2009, 05:56 PM	#6 (permalink)
Drew1369 Moderator Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Seattle, WA, USA Posts: 3,406 OS: Win7 Ultimate	Re: Obama in a fix You know when I was in Pakistan, there was no "seething anti-American" hatred... We played soccer, as well as Americans could (badly) vollyball, all in good sport and fun... Is it hatred across the whole country... or was I just lucky at that point in your country's history? __________________ We humans have a primal urge to kill because, thanks to natural selection, all the homo sapiens who didn't have a primal urge to kill, were themselves killed. http://obamaclock.org/

11-09-2009, 06:31 PM	#7 (permalink)
Mcninjaguy Temporarily Banned Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Ottawa, Ontario, Canada Posts: 10,422 OS: Windows 7 Ultimate 64bit My System Blog Entries: 1	Re: Obama in a fix It would really suck if there was that much hate in a country. I don't think that that much hate is healthy. I mean I don't like the laws of some countries but I don't hate the people. Its really like that silly thing where people in Canada say they hate Americans Every time I meet one of them they are just ignorant pushovers.

11-09-2009, 10:23 PM	#9 (permalink)
Mcninjaguy Temporarily Banned Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Ottawa, Ontario, Canada Posts: 10,422 OS: Windows 7 Ultimate 64bit My System Blog Entries: 1	Re: Obama in a fix I didn't say this at first but this article sounds like propaganda.

11-10-2009, 01:38 AM	#11 (permalink)
Mcninjaguy Temporarily Banned Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Ottawa, Ontario, Canada Posts: 10,422 OS: Windows 7 Ultimate 64bit My System Blog Entries: 1	Re: Obama in a fix There are always the ignorant and their bliss is short cut when someone who is nice or of the opposite of what they think a certain person from a country is not who they are thought to be.

11-12-2009, 06:13 AM	#15 (permalink)
SABL Moderator Relaxation Room Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: Galena, Ohio Posts: 1,150 OS: WinXP SP3	Re: Obama in a fix Let's see how long this thread will go before being locked. Things are a mess in the whole area but what will happen without the presence of foreign troops?? Does anyone believe that peace will instantly appear with the withdrawal of NATO forces?? I do not like the fact that many young people from military forces worldwide have lost their life in war that was initiated by ideals. Very few wars do not get their start from idealists. It's a shame that any country should have to police the rest of the world, but if they don't, they can suffer dire consequences. __________________ Every rose has it's thorn

11-12-2009, 07:24 AM	#16 (permalink)
bry623 Manager, The Conversation Pit/Analyst, Security Team Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: NW Territory circa 1787 Posts: 11,692 OS: winxp pro sp2	Re: Obama in a fix I was just thinking today that if foreign troops leave, then the government will fall faster than Saigon. __________________ "If you aren't a liberal when you're 20, you have no heart. If you aren't a conservative when you are 50, you have no brain"

11-12-2009, 07:58 AM	#17 (permalink)
~~Engineer Babar~~ Troubled Join Date: Jul 2009 Posts: 724 OS: xp home 2006 sp2	Re: Obama in a fix If foreign troops will leave that area, then we have to no longer support America by giving our bases and supplies as we are in the neighborhood of Afghanistan and we will get free from this so called war on terrorism.. Because it's giving us nothing.. Rather we are getting more and more reaction..

11-12-2009, 08:32 AM	#18 (permalink)
djaburg TSF Enthusiast Join Date: May 2008 Posts: 1,313 OS: XP SP3/Vista/7 Server 2K/2K3/2K8	Re: Obama in a fix At some point it would be funny to pull our troops from their operating locations around the world and let the many people we're helping deal with the issues they have on their own. If American doesn't respond fast enough we're accused of not moving fast enough, if we move too fast we're accused of butting in other people's business. Where was the rest of the world's aid during many of the worlds disasters and/or conflicts of late? If Pakistan were to be overrun by a bullying dictator, who would they call to for help? The UN? India? England? Germany? And more importantly, who would be there to help? __________________ Computers make it easier to do a lot of things, but most of the things they make it easier to do don't need to be done. The inherent vice of capitalism is the uneven division of blessings, while the inherent virtue of socialism is the equal division of misery. Last edited by djaburg; 11-12-2009 at 08:33 AM.

11-12-2009, 12:28 PM	#19 (permalink)
~~Engineer Babar~~ Troubled Join Date: Jul 2009 Posts: 724 OS: xp home 2006 sp2	Re: Obama in a fix I appreciate... But the point is about the unwinnwble war.. We as well as America are gaining nothing from it.. Pakistan is nowadays the soft target.. our forces are fighting on the west border and on the East border there is another threat.. India.. But I know my nation is very hard against these temporary hardships.. If we can make atomic bomb in such hard conditions, then these temporary hardships mean nothing..

11-12-2009, 12:34 PM	#20 (permalink)
djaburg TSF Enthusiast Join Date: May 2008 Posts: 1,313 OS: XP SP3/Vista/7 Server 2K/2K3/2K8	Re: Obama in a fix If the American military wanted to kill all of the enemy combatants in a given area with no regard to civilian casualties, we most certainly could and we'd be VERY effective. We have the firepower to do more damage than most people would imagine. But that's not what we do, we do our best to minimize collateral damage and ONLY target the combatants. We effectively could turn that entire part of the world in to a smoldering piece of glass if we so chose to, but again that's not what we as a nation are about. Just out of curiosity Babar, where do you attend school? Is it in your home nation or abroad? __________________ Computers make it easier to do a lot of things, but most of the things they make it easier to do don't need to be done. The inherent vice of capitalism is the uneven division of blessings, while the inherent virtue of socialism is the equal division of misery.