Bravo Boy

Do you think that things like region, religion, castes, creed, economic values etc. should be the basis of discrimination among humans???
Ponder and say something effective, worthy and close to the reality...

Engineer Babar

No I don't think so bravo boy.. We all are born equal... We all have same body parts.. These all things should not be the basis of discrimination.. We should must spread the message of love in the world.. War is not the solution..

yustr

Humans are clannish organisms. It was necessary for our early survival and is part of our genes. Back then there were real reasons it was necessary. Now the reasons have been forgotten but the genes remain. It reminds me of this fable:

An experiment was conducted where a small group of monkeys were placed in a cage. Hanging from the roof of the cage was a bunch of bananas. The only way to reach them was to climb a ladder – that was conveniently placed in the center of the cage.

So the experiment starts and whenever a monkey tried to get the bananas by climbing the ladder the entire troop was doused with cold water. Needless to say the monkeys didn’t like this and soon none would climb the ladder.

The researcher then replaced one monkey with a new one. He of course sees the bananas and starts to climb the ladder only to get attacked by the other monkeys – who didn’t want to get sprayed. Since he never did climb the ladder he never got hosed down so he had no idea why he was being attacked. But he didn’t climb the ladder again.

Enter another monkey. He too sees the bananas and he too gets beat up when he tries to climb the ladder. The first new monkey joins in the beating – he doesn’t know why but it seems to be the law of that tribe.

This progresses until all of the original monkeys have been replaced by new monkeys. Yet any time a new monkey tries to climb the ladder all the other monkeys attack him. The behavior continues even though NONE OF THE MONKEYS IN THE CAGE HAVE EVER BEEN DOUSED WITH WATER.

A current example: undercooked pork used to make people sick but now we know what causes Trichinosis – yet Muslims and Jews still don’t eat it. Why is that?

That’s why I don’t think your idea of global humanism will ever become reality – we do things because that’s how we’ve always done them even though we have no idea why.

Engineer Babar

Because it is banned in Islam and not good for health.. Swine flu also spread from Pigs(Sorry of I am wrong)

bobadi

Fascinating about the monkey experiment, but is this not what social evolution is about? All for one and one for all?
That the learned experience which could negate all in the group, (blasted with cold water) became an identifiable trait that long since lost its meaning but not its taboo, is the progression of the evolution of society.
We have many such taboos, most of which are important and useful, and some are not, or only used as an identifier, such as religious food taboos mentioned that produces human sub-grouping which destroys humanism.
Could the denial of humanism be only another "learned monkey" trait; "things will never change because those who try to change things are ostracized by our group?"

Basementgeek

True, if you are the pig My pork chops were pretty tasty tonight, on the grill.

But H1N1, aka Swine flu, is not spread by pigs.

BG

yustr

I agree...I think

And Mr. Babar. My point in bringing up the ban on pork was to point out that 800 - 2000 years ago, when presumably the ban was instituted, we didn't know why people got sick from eating it. Now we do but the ban is still in place. Why is that? Perhaps you're so busy beating up any monkey who climbs the ladder that you don't bother to ask why?

Engineer Babar

Reliable medical doctors and social scientists are able to realize how those food and drinks forbidden by Islam are harmful and destructive to the human spirit and morality as well as to the physique and moral fibre of man and to verify the benefits of Islamic legislations on the subjects.


Dr. E. Kazim. M.D. in his article “Medical aspects of forbidden foods in Islam” (July 1981 issue of Muslim Journal has described diseases carried or caused by the flesh of the swine.

He writes:
”The pig is a scavenger. It is an omnivorous animal. It eats everything. There are many diseases carried from swine to man, particularly parasite infestations. Lately extensive research has been focused on senility-old age is characterized by hardening of inner lining of the blood vessels of the heart, brain etc. a process called atheroselerosis. When a clot forms, it results in coronary thrombosis or a heart attack, cerebral thrombosis or stroke”.

”Different dietary factors are responsible for atheroselerosis. Gross atheroma may be produced in rabbit by feeding it with cholesterol, but when you add lard (derived from hog fat) to the cholesterol, the incidence of atheroma is increased and thus you would produce coronary thrombosis, and myocardial infraction”.

”Besides, lard contains 2800 units of vitamin D per 100 grams and no vitamin A at all. Lately vitamin D has been held responsible for atheroma, by causing increased absorption of calcium in the blood vessels. In human beings, serum cholesterol is not dependent on the intake of cholesterol in the diet, but depends upon the proportion of animal fats in the diet, which elevates the beta-lipo protein level in the blood. Animal fats contain saturated fatty acids and these saturated fatty acids have been found to be as one of the causes of atheroma in man. Medium fat bacon contains 25% proteins and 55% fat”.

”According to medical research, the fat content in pork is more than any other meat (beef, mutton etc.) and it takes longer to digest. Dr. M Jaffer in an article in the Islamic Review (London) of January 1997 issue has listed 16 kinds of harmful germs, which have been discovered in pork in modern researches and the diseases, which could be caused by them. The number of patients suffering from tapeworm disease is the highest in the world among pork eating nations. Other diseases attributed to pigs are caused by tri-chinelia spirates and intestinal worms occupy first place among such nations too”.

http://www.mesmarty.com/2009/01/19/h...dern-research/

Basementgeek

One thing that comes to mind is this is a bit hogwash (Old saying)

And just how did they prove this?

Is not the human race? Do not most people around world eat flesh/fruit/vegetables. Some people eat bugs (insects) some people eat rats.
I like shrimp, but don't really want to know everything they eat. If is taste good, eat it as far as I am concerned.

Another old saying is about thing you can't eat from a pig is the oink

BG

MichaelTech

That was nice, yustr. A simple analogy for the denizens of Monkey Island. Yes, the Earth is indeed that, and this grand experiment is rapidly coming to fruition. By whom it was started is not clear, but popular belief is none other than alien instigation.
But why without supervision? No user manuals, no guidelines, other than suspicous beliefs created by fervant control freaks. Questing for answers has helped us elevate our intellect, but is still hindered by again, control freaks. I simply very much believe that ending any and all religeous beliefs will allow humankind to advance to a stature that the "creators" of this experiment will see as a sign to make themselves known, and possibly give us a little more insight as to our purpose. Or not. We blithely forge ahead, in our inimitable way, to better our lot. So yes, a more humanistic world belief is a good step forward. Oo, oo, e, ah,ah.

Engineer Babar

Religion is the user manual for human beings.. I guess...

Drew1369

Pork is so tasty... and so healthy when its cooked properly and not from an article written in 1981

Faith is the user manual for those that believe... religion is not... religion is control, faith is freedom

Engineer Babar

Don't you think faith and religion are interconnected?? Faith in what??

Drew1369

No... I have faith in God and his Son, but I do not prescribe to any actual religion... organized religion I should say...

Religion itself has caused to much suffering, from the fringes in every religion that takes everything at face value instead of the meaning behind it

Remember, the Bible, the Koran, the Tanakh were all written by man, and therefor flawed...

They all tell you to kill apostates and non-believers... do you really think that is what God really wants?

Mcninjaguy

Yea I really hate it when a government sponsors its own research to get what it wants to believe out of it as in the case of pork. All of those diseases are no worse tha what you would get from chicken or beef either. The food was simply not cooked. Blame it on the cook not the animal or the farmer who has raised the animals in a bad environment that is not clean.

If you eat the leaner pork cuts especially the lion cut of the beef which is very lean and tasty and have a very low chance of disease since its not the garbage cut like bacon or other parts just as there are better cuts of beef you can get and ground beef will always have a higher risk of disease since especially in the case of beef where most of the germs are on the outside with triple AAA beef.

I think religion is stupid. Sure it teaches you some good things like the ten commandments and maybe if you can take some lesson in life away from the blah blah blah gibber gabber in those books you may find something good. Really the best morals in life are real life and books of fiction or a story heard. You have to decipher what you think of it and some people are not as bright as others.

On the original thought of Bravo Boy
-I would think that some things can be helped but hated. I hate corrupt politicians, I hate bills that are passed that discriminate against someone as simple as gay marriage which affects nobody except gay people and their quest for love happiness and the freedom to express it privately.
-There is always jealousy with people who are poor against the people who have made it in life and are very wealthy.
-I Think that people live in a certain region well that is fine
-Religion is a whole different ball game. Some people count cults like scientology as religion which it is not. There must be boundaries and the limit of the law of the land should not be affected by religion. Common sense and everything before religion should apply. If a person has some religious thing they must abide by but the law is against well then it should taken to court and then if it does block out the current law then it is ok. I don't like it when religion should tell someone what they can or can't eat. Who they can marry or other crap like that. I should be able to leave my religion and bad mouth it at any time. Its like in the UN where some styupid countries like Egypt are trying to block the UN from discussing the crimes against humanity becasue it pertains to Shariah law bull crap.

There is hate but it should be sensible. We are all humans and emotions do run high and to not hate is very hard. Even if a person was a very well balanced rational human there are some things which just can not be ignored. Hate is not going to go away but we can try to educate the ignorant and punish the hurtful.

speedster123

nathans hot dogs

Engineer Babar

I don't know why you push shariah law in every thread.. If you have no legal rights to change it in the countries that practice it, then it is like crying in hell where no body is there to listen you

Engineer Babar

Pig is the dirtiest creature on earth.. yukhhhhhhhh

bry623

Is this thread going anywhere?

Suffice to say that almost everyone has seen discrimination it happens and it sucks.