kakashi_12

Personally I don't think politics is part of relaxation (being in the relaxation category), for as much debate as there is. But that's just my opinion.

HumanoidComplex

Do you suggest adding a Stress Room

kakashi_12

lol, ya that would be funny.

Engineer Babar

I completely agree with you.. A political room on a technical forum looks odd.. Technical guys lashing on each other gives a bad impression.. This is not only your opinion but most of the people will agree with it...

Tsona

i love how you speak for "most people"

personally this part of the forum is probably the only reason i visit this web site. it's a website that is not blocked by my work and i have full access to it, and it makes my day go by faster to have intelligent discussions with intelligent people and it keeps me up to date on whats goin on in the news.

and i've been able to meet people with completely different opinions than mine with which i never would have had any idea who they are or what there views are. to name a few caanan, drew, simps, mr babar, dj, jason, tumble, yustr, mcninja all of which i never would have met if it werent for this section of this forum. and while we've all had many differing view points, i find myself enlightened to have been able to read what they've said.

Engineer Babar

Thanks Tsona you mentioned me also

My point was that there should be a polite discussion.. Not the ill-mannered one.. like saying some ones religion a phony religion and attacking some ones women constantly.. That really is annoying.. there should must not be any personal attack on anyone..

Tsona

i believe somewhere in the forums rules it is listed that noone should be attacking anyone. And i know that i specifically have never called your religion phony or attacked any of your women. in fact all of my best friends except like 2 are muslim. i have 2 bosnian brothers who are both muslim who are both my best friends and have been for like the last 4 years. i have 2 arab brothers who are both very much muslim and have i been best friends with them for over 3 years. so its not that i'm not approving of your religion as a whole or you as a person.

Mcninjaguy

Well I have my opinion and you don't live in Canada or the US so to know some of our mindset you should think about having an open mind. About a world without religion and based on our laws which is the same as Western Laws since God is a made up thing.

Religion is not a bad thing but its needs to be taken very moderately. People should be free to change religions without oppression.

Tsona

i completely aggree, the basis of freedom and peace is the understanding of another person and there beliefs.

Engineer Babar, in a modern world do you think that a man being muslim, and a woman being cristian could ever be in love and be married?

Drew1369

Nah it keeps the trouble makers from turning a a help fix windows 7 post to how the government is screwing us over...

I find it nice that this forum has many many things... its why I dont go anywhere else for tech issues either... I do a search and I usually find the problem im having with a fix... and I can come to the relaxation room and chat with people of different views

djaburg

When ever I read a post that just pushes the buttons I come down the to PS to get some comic relief! ;-) It is nice to have some passionate banter regarding the politics of the day, which is certainly refreshing compared to the apathetic people I run in to throughout my day. I'd really rather meet people that are passionate in their beliefs, even if they don't agree with me. It's not my fault they're all misinformed...

kakashi_12

MULTI-QUOTE REPLY:

Tsona: I like that you said intelligent ppl and then ALSO said ppl with different opinions! Usually when ppl say they speak with intelligent ppl about politics, they usually only are talking about the ppl that believe in the same things they do (are on the same side). And then those ppl usually think that the other person is just plain wrong... not having a separate opinion, just a wrong fact or lie (if that makes sense).

McNinjaGuy: I agree very much that ppl should be aloud to change their religion. I cant stand it when ppl think you HAVE TO be a certain religion or you are wrong. or ppl that try to get you to be what they are.
I have a story in fact; about a guy who told me that he thought it was humble if you believed in christianity and didn't act like you knew everything and didn't follow other religions, or something like that. I believe the definition of humble is more along the lines of being open and NOT knowing which religion is correct. just realizing there are diff kinds of religions.

Tsona: Yes, that is very possible. In fact, my fiance is catholic (christian) and i am agnostic (NOT atheist, which a lot of ppl confuse it for).

GoSuNi

I hate the fact that a political topic can always lead to religion discussion or flaming. It's annoying.

Engineer Babar

Yeah.... One of my relatives married a christian woman of France.. And I think you can marry easily

Engineer Babar

I completely agree... And when it is done by the team members, then it gives a very bad impression... Religion is anybody's personal matter and nobody is none to impose their ideas on anybody..

Engineer Babar

I was not referring to you Tsona.. I was referring to 2 or 3 non-mature team members who did this in one of the thread which everybody knows.. Its good that you have Muslim brothers and friends

Tumbleweed36

Sure you are as passionate about some issues as the next person. One must in a discussion of this type attack the message and not the messenger if you disagree about anything. An example might be the last sentence of your quote above because we all know you don't know what you are talking about. (see, only kidding)

For example, I don't agree with about anything that Engineer Babar agrees with when it comes to religious thought. However, I would not intentionally try to attack him as a person for disagreeing, because he has as much right to believe what he wants as I do and I respect that. I will however state my views and defend them just as he does.

In addition, while respectfully (hope he has not become offended by the issues we differ greatly on) disagreeing on most things we have discussed, I have a lot of respect for him as in individual for working hard to explain his thoughts and preferences. I am sure that even though we disagree greatly, he is a good citizen and nice person.

In fact, I have learned some some valuable information to take into consideration when debating the topic with him. These are things I would not have known if we had not discussed these topics. It has been very informative in my quest to get more information.

In this area of the forum, one must be careful not to judge another's attacks or ideas as a personal attack and with a few exceptions, I don't think most participants really intend to attack someone personally. However, it is such a fine line that some may misinterpret the intentions of those who they don't agree with. When one has strong beliefs, then it is easy to become overzealous and protective of their individual thoughts.

I think this is enough rambling from me, so need to get over there and see if anything is happening in the hardware area.

Hope all of you have a good day.

yustr

Here's the big "IF" of this discussion: IF religion was kept in the singular it would not be appropriate for this political forum. But, because in the entire history of mankind the priests have never kept it in the spiritual, have always brought it to the public arena, have always tried to conquer others with thoughts and when that inevitably failed with violence, its appropriate for a political forum.

Babar, Its the manifestations of your belief system that troubles me. Think whatever you wish. It's when you try to tell me that your beliefs should be the basis of law that I object. I think all religious beliefs are illogical and superstitious and have proven time and time again to be to the determent of ordinary people - especially women. You're free to believe them but you're not free to impose them on others. So saying Sharia law is good for women is beside the point. The point is you're imposing your beliefs on others. (You claim that they choose to follow but we know that this is bull.) The same is true whether we're talking Mormon's in Utah, Baptists in Tennessee, Catholics in El Salvador, or Muslims in Indonesia.

It's simple: keep religion out of politics and I'll keep them out of this forum.

Otherwise, be prepared to defend you views and the atrocities that result (both physical as well as mental).

kakashi_12

I have a book about "separation of church and state" that talks about just that... separating religion and politics.

Engineer Babar

@tumbleweed

Thanks for the nice wishes.. Same for you.. Nice of you Tumble..