What happened to global warming?

**Jason** · 10-15-2009, 07:49 AM

his headline may come as a bit of a surprise, so too might that fact that the warmest year recorded globally was not in 2008 or 2007, but in 1998.

But it is true. For the last 11 years we have not observed any increase in global temperatures.

And our climate models did not forecast it, even though man-made carbon dioxide, the gas thought to be responsible for warming our planet, has continued to rise.

So what on Earth is going on?

Climate change sceptics, who passionately and consistently argue that man's influence on our climate is overstated, say they saw it coming.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/8299079.stm

**djaburg** · 10-15-2009, 07:52 AM

Let's contact the inventor of the internet and expert on global warming, Al Gore. He'll have an answer by gosh!

steveb1234 · 10-15-2009, 08:07 AM

There is abundant evidence that variations (warming/cooling) are caused by variations in solar cycles (we are currently in a deep solar minimum). This has been going on for at least 100.000 years and probably dates back to the extinction or the dinosaurs.
There is no evidence whatsoever that variations in co2 levels cause variations in global average temperatures. The Maunder minimum is the most recent cooling cycle and this caused temperatures in europe to drop by at least 5 degrees.
In London UK the Thames used to freeze over most winters with an ice thickness of several feet in the worst years.
It is possible that the current solar minimum (should it continue) will produce a similar 'mini ice age' and rather than getting ready for drought and mediterranean weather we should be investing in thermal undergarments. Google 'maunder minimum' and this should give you links to various articles on the subject. look at www.spaceweather.com for current sunspot activity. The US solar observatory have been measuring the strength of sunspot magnetic fields for the past 17 years and have discovered a sharp reduction.
I am convinced that manmade global warming is a load of nonsense and has no evidence to support the idea. Human acivity has only a very small effect on climate and even eliminating this completely would have little effect.

steveb1234 · 10-15-2009, 08:08 AM

Also Al Gore is an ****.

~~T J Belfiore~~ · 10-15-2009, 02:10 PM

@ The Democrat above me

Yes, very much so.

**Canaanabolaanan** · 10-15-2009, 07:40 PM

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Originally Posted by djaburg

Let's contact the inventor of the internet and expert on global warming, Al Gore. He'll have an answer by gosh!

http://www.snopes.com/quotes/internet.asp

Did he claim he was an expert on global warming? Can you only advocate for something if you're an expert? I didn't know there were such restrictions on advocating. Whilst limiting this, make sure you champion freedom of speech so people don't catch on.

Tumbleweed36 · 10-15-2009, 08:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Al Bore

"I took the initiative in creating the internet"

I just don't understand what you don't understand about the English language!

BTW, you can advocate for anything without being an expert, but when you produce a film that says the "Inconvient Truth" and there are many proven falsehoods in that film (do your research about how the English viewed those items), then you are acting like you know something you don't. That sure sounds like you are either creating the illusion that you are an expert which we know he is not, or you are an out and out liar.

Let's just be honest about Al Gore and say he is a hot bag of wind that lies a lot and acts like an expert who has no scientific training in the area of global warming. Therefore, for him to be advocating with untruthful and unscientific substianted high tides and things that he knows are not true (if he can read what the experts say), then he is being blatently false.

**Canaanabolaanan** · 10-15-2009, 08:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Tumbleweed36

I just don't understand what you don't understand about the English language!

What I don't understand is how you can come to terrible conclusions without reading that which you're quoting, and claim victory. That part of the English language is awfully elusive to me.

Context, I guess is what you're missing. Speaking of research. And lies.

That reminds me. Obama was born in Kenya, wasn't he?

Tumbleweed36 · 10-15-2009, 09:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Canaanabolaanan

What I don't understand is how you can come to terrible conclusions without reading that which you're quoting, and claim victory. That part of the English language is awfully elusive to me.

Context, I guess is what you're missing. Speaking of research. And lies.

That reminds me. Obama was born in Kenya, wasn't he?

Actually, I have no idea where he was born and didn't know that Al Gore claimed Obama was born anyplace except where Obama claimed. However, if Al is going around claiming Obama was born in Keyna, then it must be the truth since Al is known to be very truthful (NOT) a lot. You know, just one of those "inconvenient truths" that we see out of Al.

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I took the initiative in creating the internet"

If he didn't say the above quote, then I apologize for being misleading, however, if he did say this, tell me what this means if it doesn't mean to say he was the one who was doing this?

You can show me all the things you want that say he was mis-interpreted, when talking to the CNN (the liberal network), but he said those words. Read them again! I took the iniative in creating the internet. Please notice the big "I" in there, he said he was the one.

BTW, did you get a chance to research the lies and intentional mis-information in the "Inconvient Truth?" A couple of days ago in a speech when someone questioned him about one of these, good old Al's aides turned off the mike on the guy so he couldn't ask about the falsehoods. Go figure, what did he have that he wants to keep from the public that he can't defend?

Mcninjaguy · 10-16-2009, 12:14 AM

I think that man made Carbon Dioxide has only raised the atmosphere's greenhouse gases by maybe 1%, could be less. There used to an Ice age just 10,000 years ago. Man would really have to mess up the planet to cause that. I don't thinks its possible unless we all had the laws of 1800's industrial age still.

**speedster123** · 10-17-2009, 09:37 AM

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Al is known to be very truthful (NOT) a lot.

**simpswr** · 10-17-2009, 09:38 AM

What happened to global warming?

AlGore ate it

Tumbleweed36 · 10-17-2009, 10:50 AM

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Originally Posted by simpswr

What happened to global warming?

AlGore ate it

It could be that the high tidal waves he was predicting carried the Globol Warming away.

Mcninjaguy · 10-17-2009, 01:49 PM

I never watched that movie "inconvienent truth". I'm glad I didn't. Man's involvement in the global environment isn't good but I do not think it will cause global warming but rather more concerned about animals people's welfare.

I've seen some changes in the earth's climate but nothing to warrant global warming. I'm not a scientist either, WEEEE, look at me I'm Al Gore!

Tumbleweed36 · 10-17-2009, 01:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Mcninjaguy

I'm not a scientist either, WEEEE, look at me I'm Al Gore!

Enough of those "smart acre" remarks!

**Canaanabolaanan** · 10-17-2009, 02:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Tumbleweed36

Actually, I have no idea where he was born

Lol, cave dweller! You really don't know that he was born in Hawaii? Or you just want to play dumb to perpetuate the birther movement, like the republican congressmen before you?

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Originally Posted by Tumbleweed36

1. If he didn't say the above quote, then I apologize for being misleading, however, if he did say this, tell me what this means if it doesn't mean to say he was the one who was doing this?

2. You can show me all the things you want that say he was mis-interpreted, when talking to the CNN (the liberal network), but he said those words. Read them again! I took the iniative in creating the internet. Please notice the big "I" in there, he said he was the one.

1. This is fine, but any sincerity of this sentiment is tossed out the window with your fixed position revealed by point 2. So you clearly don't care for the truth and full scope of what was said. There's no point in understanding the back story. He said something clumsily, so let's throw out the rest and harangue him for it!

And no, I didn't fact-check An Inconvenient Truth. I'd prefer to watch it before I bother with that. And as I'm implying, I have not yet done so.

Tumbleweed36 · 10-17-2009, 05:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Canaanabolaanan

Lol, cave dweller! You really don't know that he was born in Hawaii? Or you just want to play dumb to perpetuate the birther movement, like the republican congressmen before you?

1. This is fine, but any sincerity of this sentiment is tossed out the window with your fixed position revealed by point 2. So you clearly don't care for the truth and full scope of what was said. There's no point in understanding the back story. He said something clumsily, so let's throw out the rest and harangue him for it!

And no, I didn't fact-check An Inconvenient Truth. I'd prefer to watch it before I bother with that. And as I'm implying, I have not yet done so.

When you do watch it, you will have a different version of this man and the gravity of the lies he tells to get people to believe him and his baloney. Read the reviews of these facts by those trained in science, then you will have a better idea of what I am saying.

Honestly, I am not badgering you the messenger for Al Gore, but certainly it has been proven that his facts are nothing but made up baloney in this film he claims is the "Inconvenient Truth." Those who refute what he is saying are highly trained scientists, not a bag of hot air like Al Gore is.

On his quote, I am just taking this person at his word at what he said about inventing the internet. What else can I say since you don't see his big " I" that he mentions in trying to glorifying himself.

Lastly, I have been told via the news that Obama was born in Hawaii, Kenya, and elsewhere, but find that a non-issue at this point. He is President for now and I don't see any sense in going down the Kenya road after he has been installed in office. If they (the loonies) wanted to verify his status, it should have been done before the election and not after he is elected. To make such an issue at this time is insane, whether it is a liberal or conservative. I think both fringes are "nuts" anyhow.

Hey, thanks for the discussion. We will never agree on some points, but we can have fun talking about it anyhow and maybe provoke some thinking along the way.

Do hope you have a great evening.

**Canaanabolaanan** · 10-17-2009, 06:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Tumbleweed36

On his quote, I am just taking this person at his word at what he said about inventing the internet. What else can I say since you don't see his big " I" that he mentions in trying to glorifying himself.

Negative. But you're saying too much already, since you include the inappropriate word "invent," as if to say he fashioned the technology. And for as much as you want me to do research on his documentary, you seem to want to do none of your own regarding this debunked falsehood.

http://sethf.com/gore/

There are links and links and links and links showing how myopic of a claim it is that he "invented" the internet. It's silly. It's old. It's wrong. And yet you cling to it for dear life. Why? Who knows.

I will check out his movie and research it though. I'll let you know when I have and share my thoughts on it. Cheers.

Tumbleweed36 · 10-17-2009, 06:22 PM

You mean there is debate on whether he said "I took the initiative in creating the internet?" Guess I didn't read it right then, because no one doubts that sentence except you. I guess I was foolish (in your eyes) for taking him at his word. Go figure that one!

Do watch the movie and be sure to check the facts on what he says are facts. Then, you just might be more willing to accept some of his other false claims. Enjoy the weekend.

**grimx133** · 10-17-2009, 07:59 PM

"Creating the internet" sure implies that it didn't exist before that point.

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verb [transitive] /kriˈeɪt/
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10-15-2009, 07:49 AM	#1 (permalink)
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steveb1234 Registered User Join Date: May 2009 Posts: 374 OS: xp, windows 7	Re: What happened to global warming? There is abundant evidence that variations (warming/cooling) are caused by variations in solar cycles (we are currently in a deep solar minimum). This has been going on for at least 100.000 years and probably dates back to the extinction or the dinosaurs. There is no evidence whatsoever that variations in co2 levels cause variations in global average temperatures. The Maunder minimum is the most recent cooling cycle and this caused temperatures in europe to drop by at least 5 degrees. In London UK the Thames used to freeze over most winters with an ice thickness of several feet in the worst years. It is possible that the current solar minimum (should it continue) will produce a similar 'mini ice age' and rather than getting ready for drought and mediterranean weather we should be investing in thermal undergarments. Google 'maunder minimum' and this should give you links to various articles on the subject. look at www.spaceweather.com for current sunspot activity. The US solar observatory have been measuring the strength of sunspot magnetic fields for the past 17 years and have discovered a sharp reduction. I am convinced that manmade global warming is a load of nonsense and has no evidence to support the idea. Human acivity has only a very small effect on climate and even eliminating this completely would have little effect. Last edited by steveb1234; 10-15-2009 at 08:10 AM.

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Mcninjaguy Temporarily Banned Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Ottawa, Ontario, Canada Posts: 10,422 OS: Windows 7 Ultimate 64bit My System Blog Entries: 1	Re: What happened to global warming? I think that man made Carbon Dioxide has only raised the atmosphere's greenhouse gases by maybe 1%, could be less. There used to an Ice age just 10,000 years ago. Man would really have to mess up the planet to cause that. I don't thinks its possible unless we all had the laws of 1800's industrial age still.

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Mcninjaguy Temporarily Banned Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Ottawa, Ontario, Canada Posts: 10,422 OS: Windows 7 Ultimate 64bit My System Blog Entries: 1	Re: What happened to global warming? I never watched that movie "inconvienent truth". I'm glad I didn't. Man's involvement in the global environment isn't good but I do not think it will cause global warming but rather more concerned about animals people's welfare. I've seen some changes in the earth's climate but nothing to warrant global warming. I'm not a scientist either, WEEEE, look at me I'm Al Gore!

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Tumbleweed36 Asst Manager Hardware Join Date: May 2005 Location: USA Posts: 19,673 OS: XP Professional	Re: What happened to global warming? You mean there is debate on whether he said "I took the initiative in creating the internet?" Guess I didn't read it right then, because no one doubts that sentence except you. I guess I was foolish (in your eyes) for taking him at his word. Go figure that one! Do watch the movie and be sure to check the facts on what he says are facts. Then, you just might be more willing to accept some of his other false claims. Enjoy the weekend. __________________ ---------- I don't receive email notifications of replies to subscribed threads. (Internet provider policy) Therefore, if I don't respond to your post within 24 hours, please send me a reminder PM and include the link to your thread.