Drew1369

NAZIS...

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/new...cle6658672.ece

Wow...

bry623

You can't say global warming anymore...... you have to say global climate change.

machinetech

Man made Global climate change, man made global warming, its all junk science. Of coarse the planet goes thru seasons. It doesnt take a genious in geology to understand that the planet warms and cools itself on a regular basis. The orbit around our sun changes, moving us closer then farther away from the sun, hence, climate change. Al Gore is a power hungry politician who wants to scare people who are not informed, into believing we can change the climate, just to aquire money and power. Trust me.

HumanoidComplex

CO2 levels have been 10-12 times higher in the past, albeit 20,000 years ago. the ice caps on mars and the moons of jupiter and saturn grow and shrink on the same time scales ours do. there is stronger correlation between solar irradiation and global temperatures. but to avoid falling into the same trappings of over simplification of the global climate system, there are butt loads (scientific term) of factors in play. all i really wanted to say is that i'm not paying carbon taxes to any global bank. besides id rather have a warmer planet than a colder one.

jarod

Wow earth is moving closer to the sun and then father away..??. Thats the biggest crap I have heard so far. How it is that he can acquire money by making ppl believing we can control climate. Did he bought shares in enivronmental friendly products. Why shud ppl trust you

Hey.. it is only fair that if you pollute, you pay for it. Yeah for you, it is nice having a warmer planet. May I ask where you live. Try leaving in the tropics, with temperatures hovering at 45c on a normal day. Then tell me you still want to live in a warmer planet

bruiser

The earth's orbit is not a perfect circle. It's elliptical. So the earth does move a little closer to, and farther away from the sun. The difference is on the small side, but that combined with the earth's tilt on it's axis makes the seasons.

If the earth is going to have a swing in temp, then it is better to go to the warm side, rather than the cold. Look up The Little Ice Age and see what happened when the earth cooled. We're still coming out of that.

Carbon dioxide is not a pollutant. It is an essential gas, just like oxygen. If either disappeared, life would cease to exist on this world.

bry623

Stop making sense. The alarmists will put you down.

jarod

True that I agree on. Having Co2 and O2 is essential but having too much of Co2 is bad.

bruiser

If you check the carbon dioxide levels of today, against the geologic record, you'll find today's levels could be said to be on the poor side.

jarod

True.. if u compare millions of years ago, Co2 level now is poor but back then the planet is relatively young and Co2 is abundant. Now it is absorbed into the oceans, rocks etc. Just bcuz the Co2 level compared between now and back then is low, doesn't mean we shud go about increasing its level to millions of years ago. Besides back then, we have no idea what the weather is like, why should we go and modify the weather to something we have no idea about.

machinetech

Man made global warming, is only a theory. Not proven scientifically. The sun drives the climate of the earth, this we know. But governments are willing to accept the theory, to be able to pass laws to levy taxes. Taxes = money. Money = power. There are reports out there that suggest that the sun could take another turn for laziness, and cause another little ice age. Will governments then give us a refund of all the taxes paid? No they will declare victory over global warming. And then charge the hell out of us for all the fossil fuels, to stay warm.
No one likes pollution. But our planet has the amazing ability to take care of itself. It has done a good job of it for the past 4.5 billion years. More Co2 creates a greener environment. It is when C02 levels drop that the circle of life slows down and possibly creates mass extinctions. (Just a theory also).

machinetech

Oh, and by the way jarod, you shouldn't trust me. Make your mind up for yourself. I was just giving my take on it all.

Jason

Al Gore Purchases Carbon Credits From A Company He Himself Owns

The Money and Connections Behind Al Gore’s Carbon Crusade

Creators of carbon credit scheme cashing in on it

Gore's 'carbon offsets' paid to firm he owns


Gore Invests In Carbon Credit Company, Will Media Care?

jarod

I find it hard to believe it is a theory only. In the past 10 years itself my country temp (in the tropics) has increased 15c. I dun know if it is due to my country environment or it is global. But i guess it is global since everywhere around the world, temps are increasing with some decreasing. If it is indeed natural, then we are definately doom since in another few years, temps will be so high, water will boil. And besides why does the temperature only start increasing after the we start pumping massive Co2, why doesn't it increase before

True our planet has the amazing ability to take care of itself and heal itself. It has shown this to us by recovering from asteroid strikes, volcanoes and so on. But like u said, it has done a goodjob for the past 4.5 bil years, thats before man walked the earth. It is able to do a goodjob without any intervention but with man intervention by burning fossil fuel, the balance is thrown way off. We cant just sit around polluting and expect earth to take care of it. Would u want your child to live in these kind of environment. If Co2 does create a greener environment, i assume u mean it is good for living organism, then why it is that when u smell too much Co2, u r poisoned. It is is good, why do our bodies even bother to expel it outwards

jarod

Those are good links that will require some readings and a deep understanding of the market. Could you please elaborate in shorter meanings. Tried reading it but still dun understand. Why it is that purchasing carbon credits be bad

octaneman

Here's my 2 cents on climate change.

All the arguments on climate change have merit, but no data was taken 20,000 years to form a model for today's changes, its all theoretical. Scientists who are in the polar regions who are taking core samples keep posting on science journals that discoveries of plant life and perfectly preserved remains of extinct species are constantly being found. That would mean that the polar region supported a tropical environment. Scientists believe that the animal carcasses that are found give strong evidence that it was part of a migratory pattern, and that the polar ice caps were expanding causing food sources to be destroyed, thus causing the extinction of these animals.
By applying logic, the polar regions expand and contract with changes to the earth's relation to the sun every several thousand years. The climate change we humans are seeing now is that the polar regions are now contracting according to mother nature's rules. So man's interference by adding some Co2 into the atmosphere may be so insignificant we don't even register on the map. Just a simple eruption of a volcano dumps trillions of tons of toxins into the atmosphere everyday, which has nothing to do with man. The beauty about mother nature is that whatever she decides to do, there is nothing we can do about it.

k2skier

Completely false, provide a link to your claim.

k2skier

For all the right wing deniars...when our planetary mean temperatures increase, it changes the climate patterns, (AGW or not), so global warming leads to a changing climate, it's not a spin.

k2skier

Remember this name, Goldman Sachs...

It's sad when a good idea gets gobbled up by greed. If something good was to be done then reductions would be in order, not the smoke and mirror "cap and trade" bs...

I know of no emissions that put out only CO2, so when CO2 gets reduced, so do many other pollutants.

Common sense and sustainability...not knee jerk over-reactions...

bruiser

Here you go big boy. Before you go to calling someone a liar again, you should do some fact checking and stop believing everything you hear coming out Algore's mouth and repeated by the MSM.

I chose this link because it's a nice big graph, and it appears the site seems to believe in agw. Note that CO2 levels were approaching 7000ppm at the highest. Today the level is about 270 to 280 ppm. Quite a bit of difference.

http://deforestation.geologist-1011.net/