La Raza Demands Obama's Health Reform Plan Cover Illegal Aliens

**djaburg** · 06-22-2009, 06:27 PM

On Monday, June 15, the National Council of La Raza (La Raza), an open borders advocacy group, issued a statement calling upon Congress to ensure that illegal aliens are given health benefits if and when Congress considers health care reform.

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**Drew1369** · 06-22-2009, 06:47 PM

why? they are illegal...

There we go... when they show up for their free healthcare they get deported...

works for me...

**simpswr** · 06-22-2009, 06:55 PM

Sounds like HS to me . . . another load of crap dreamed up by the racists to stir up trouble

**djaburg** · 06-23-2009, 09:21 AM

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Originally Posted by simpswr

Sounds like HS to me . . . another load of crap dreamed up by the racists to stir up trouble

Which racists are you referring to? Those that hate white's, are here illegally, and feel they're owed something? Or those that don't want illegal immigrants in their country?

**simpswr** · 06-23-2009, 10:49 AM

The ones that print inflamatory lies in order to stir things up . . ever wonder why these guys are the only ones carrying that story?

But you do have to admire their editorial integrity:

Headline: La Raza Demands Obama's Health Reform Plan Cover Illegal Aliens

Article: La Raza's statement "strongly urge[d] President Obama and Congress to make every effort to ensure that health care reform reaches all communities"

While the statement does not reference illegal immigration specifically, or distinguish between legal and illegal aliens

Clearly ghost written by the Fox Housnds

**djaburg** · 06-23-2009, 04:10 PM

Perhaps they're trying to keep the issue in the media. Illegal is illegal regardless of how you want to spin it. They aren't "entitled" to squat from our government, except of course a free bus pass to the border. I would simply like our country to enforce the existing laws and not let groups like La Raza try to dictate policy. I think Obama should let them know that his health care proposal will reach all communities of our citizens, not those here illegally. If La Raza truly cared about the plight of the Hispanic's in this country, they should start advocating their LEGAL entry.

**simpswr** · 06-23-2009, 04:16 PM

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Originally Posted by djaburg

Perhaps they're trying to keep the issue in the media.

Ya think???

**djaburg** · 06-23-2009, 04:47 PM

As it should be...albeit with a bit less sensationalism.

**simpswr** · 06-23-2009, 05:05 PM

. . and maybe just a smidge of honesty and integrety??? Dare we say . . Fair and Balanced???

**Drew1369** · 06-23-2009, 05:27 PM

Latino Leaders Call for Illegal Immigrants to Boycott Census

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2009...oycott-census/

My favorite quote...

Quote:

"It doesn't make any sense, in some way it is immoral that we are counting 12 million undocumented immigrants who have no benefit at all financially speaking,"

Could that be because they broke the law?

**simpswr** · 06-23-2009, 05:34 PM

. . . Ahhhh . . Fox News again . . Fair and Ballanced as usual!!

Tumbleweed36 · 06-23-2009, 06:17 PM

Back to the Health care issue. They are already covered and can walk in to any emergency room and get their free health care without any problems, and they do if you have ever visited an emergency room. Too bad other real citizens have to pay and they don't.

If a real American (those who are legal) go to a hospital emergency room and you have worked your whole life and are an American citizen, they take everything you have earned through the years as a legal citizen including your house before you get the free care that illegals do. That makes a lot of sense.

The moral of this story is that if you are illegal, or a lazy drunk (not saying illegals are lazy) who has spent all his life earnings on booze, or simply refuse to work if you can find a job, you have free health care. An emergency room can't turn your medical needs down and they can't make you pay. Now that is REAL free health care.

**djaburg** · 06-24-2009, 12:33 AM

Come visit one of our many hospitals here in San Diego, that would open your eyes. Yet they scream racist if you talk about illegal immigrants.

yustr · 06-24-2009, 08:04 AM

The obvious answer is a nationalized one payer system where everyone get the same basic coverage. If you want more - buy it.

Insurance costs an average of $13,000 per family. How much of that is going to the insurance company rather than into treatment? How much is going to stockholder rather than treatment? How much is going to the CEO rather than treatment? How much is going to administration rather than treatment? And yes, how much of that is going to pay for the uninsured (only a small percent of whom are illegal’s) - who cost much more when their chest cold turns into pneumonia?

You ask, on what basis can the government do this? Read the pre-amble to the Constitution; right after "provide for the common defense" comes "promote the general Welfare". The Founders had it right; if health isn’t as important as national defense, it’s a not very distant second.

**simpswr** · 06-24-2009, 09:23 AM

I wonder if in the flagelation in Washington over the Health Care propasals, if the current cost of providing health care to "undocumenteds" and "unfundeds" is taken into account?

If the number is as large as the alarmists say it is, it could be a powerfull part of the conversation.

Tumbleweed36 · 06-24-2009, 09:51 AM

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Originally Posted by simpswr

. . . Ahhhh . . Fox News again . . Fair and Ballanced as usual!!

Therefore, I am assuming you don't like Fox News and Views!

**simpswr** · 06-24-2009, 10:47 AM

I watch them when I need a laugh . . I watch MSNBC when I need one also . . both are so blatently biased ( albiet in opposite directions ) that I don't beleive a thing either one says.

**Drew1369** · 06-24-2009, 01:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by yustr

The obvious answer is a nationalized one payer system where everyone get the same basic coverage. If you want more - buy it.

Insurance costs an average of $13,000 per family. How much of that is going to the insurance company rather than into treatment? How much is going to stockholder rather than treatment? How much is going to the CEO rather than treatment? How much is going to administration rather than treatment? And yes, how much of that is going to pay for the uninsured (only a small percent of whom are illegal’s) - who cost much more when their chest cold turns into pneumonia?

You ask, on what basis can the government do this? Read the pre-amble to the Constitution; right after "provide for the common defense" comes "promote the general Welfare". The Founders had it right; if health isn’t as important as national defense, it’s a not very distant second.

If that's what the founders meant then we should have already have universal health care since the 1788.

You know... if we go to a single payer structure they should issue cards to show that you pay... no pay, no coverage...

That could work beautifully

Tumbleweed36 · 06-24-2009, 01:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Drew1369

You know... if we go to a single payer structure they should issue cards to show that you pay... no pay, no coverage...

That could work beautifully

I could even support the single payer structure as long as "everyone" had to pay for the coverage. No more free rides for those who are illegal or too lazy to work. However, don't let "non-payers" get a free ride on my dime.

I know some people here in town who do not have coverage, can't afford it they say, so they go to the emergency room for "FREE" treatment and meds. Well, they do have enough money to go to the Casino every weekend, and the rest of the week they drink up the courage to drive over there to the Casino. I am tired of carrying the "so called" poor. I do not object in caring for some of our Senior Citizens who are in a bind with not having enough money and are not able to work.

I have a better idea since we want "everyone" to have the coverage and even the illegal criminals. Let's all convince Canada that any American who crosses their border (either legally or illegally) that they should give us free health care if we request it. Now, that might be a good solution, so we can ship all the illegals and drunks over there for coverage (much like Mexico does on the border towns).

Anyone think Canada would buy that program????

**simpswr** · 06-24-2009, 02:29 PM

Who has proposed that we "want "everyone" to have the coverage and even the illegal criminals"

06-22-2009, 06:27 PM	#1 (permalink)
djaburg TSF Enthusiast Join Date: May 2008 Posts: 1,152 OS: XP SP3/Vista/7 Server 2K/2K3/2K8	La Raza Demands Obama's Health Reform Plan Cover Illegal Aliens On Monday, June 15, the National Council of La Raza (La Raza), an open borders advocacy group, issued a statement calling upon Congress to ensure that illegal aliens are given health benefits if and when Congress considers health care reform. Full Article __________________ Computers make it easier to do a lot of things, but most of the things they make it easier to do don't need to be done. The inherent vice of capitalism is the uneven division of blessings, while the inherent virtue of socialism is the equal division of misery.

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Drew1369 TSF Enthusiast Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Seattle, WA, USA Posts: 3,366 OS: Win7 Ultimate	Re: La Raza Demands Obama's Health Reform Plan Cover Illegal Aliens why? they are illegal... There we go... when they show up for their free healthcare they get deported... works for me... __________________ We humans have a primal urge to kill because, thanks to natural selection, all the homo sapiens who didn't have a primal urge to kill, were themselves killed. http://obamaclock.org/

06-22-2009, 06:55 PM	#3 (permalink)
simpswr Moderator Hardware Team Join Date: May 2007 Location: Houston, Texas Posts: 11,893 OS: XP, Vista, Win 7	Re: La Raza Demands Obama's Health Reform Plan Cover Illegal Aliens Sounds like HS to me . . . another load of crap dreamed up by the racists to stir up trouble __________________ Rich MemTest86 \| BenchTest \| Virus/Trojan/Spyware Help How to post a Screen Shot \| PC running slow?

06-23-2009, 10:49 AM	#5 (permalink)
simpswr Moderator Hardware Team Join Date: May 2007 Location: Houston, Texas Posts: 11,893 OS: XP, Vista, Win 7	Re: La Raza Demands Obama's Health Reform Plan Cover Illegal Aliens The ones that print inflamatory lies in order to stir things up . . ever wonder why these guys are the only ones carrying that story? But you do have to admire their editorial integrity: Headline: La Raza Demands Obama's Health Reform Plan Cover Illegal Aliens Article: La Raza's statement "strongly urge[d] President Obama and Congress to make every effort to ensure that health care reform reaches all communities" While the statement does not reference illegal immigration specifically, or distinguish between legal and illegal aliens Clearly ghost written by the Fox Housnds __________________ Rich MemTest86 \| BenchTest \| Virus/Trojan/Spyware Help How to post a Screen Shot \| PC running slow? Last edited by simpswr; 06-23-2009 at 12:24 PM.

06-23-2009, 04:10 PM	#6 (permalink)
djaburg TSF Enthusiast Join Date: May 2008 Posts: 1,152 OS: XP SP3/Vista/7 Server 2K/2K3/2K8	Re: La Raza Demands Obama's Health Reform Plan Cover Illegal Aliens Perhaps they're trying to keep the issue in the media. Illegal is illegal regardless of how you want to spin it. They aren't "entitled" to squat from our government, except of course a free bus pass to the border. I would simply like our country to enforce the existing laws and not let groups like La Raza try to dictate policy. I think Obama should let them know that his health care proposal will reach all communities of our citizens, not those here illegally. If La Raza truly cared about the plight of the Hispanic's in this country, they should start advocating their LEGAL entry. __________________ Computers make it easier to do a lot of things, but most of the things they make it easier to do don't need to be done. The inherent vice of capitalism is the uneven division of blessings, while the inherent virtue of socialism is the equal division of misery.

06-23-2009, 04:47 PM	#8 (permalink)
djaburg TSF Enthusiast Join Date: May 2008 Posts: 1,152 OS: XP SP3/Vista/7 Server 2K/2K3/2K8	Re: La Raza Demands Obama's Health Reform Plan Cover Illegal Aliens As it should be...albeit with a bit less sensationalism. __________________ Computers make it easier to do a lot of things, but most of the things they make it easier to do don't need to be done. The inherent vice of capitalism is the uneven division of blessings, while the inherent virtue of socialism is the equal division of misery.

06-23-2009, 05:05 PM	#9 (permalink)
simpswr Moderator Hardware Team Join Date: May 2007 Location: Houston, Texas Posts: 11,893 OS: XP, Vista, Win 7	Re: La Raza Demands Obama's Health Reform Plan Cover Illegal Aliens . . and maybe just a smidge of honesty and integrety??? Dare we say . . Fair and Balanced??? __________________ Rich MemTest86 \| BenchTest \| Virus/Trojan/Spyware Help How to post a Screen Shot \| PC running slow?

06-23-2009, 05:34 PM	#11 (permalink)
simpswr Moderator Hardware Team Join Date: May 2007 Location: Houston, Texas Posts: 11,893 OS: XP, Vista, Win 7	Re: La Raza Demands Obama's Health Reform Plan Cover Illegal Aliens . . . Ahhhh . . Fox News again . . Fair and Ballanced as usual!! __________________ Rich MemTest86 \| BenchTest \| Virus/Trojan/Spyware Help How to post a Screen Shot \| PC running slow?

06-23-2009, 06:17 PM	#12 (permalink)
Tumbleweed36 Asst Manager Hardware Join Date: May 2005 Location: USA Posts: 19,478 OS: XP Professional	Re: La Raza Demands Obama's Health Reform Plan Cover Illegal Aliens Back to the Health care issue. They are already covered and can walk in to any emergency room and get their free health care without any problems, and they do if you have ever visited an emergency room. Too bad other real citizens have to pay and they don't. If a real American (those who are legal) go to a hospital emergency room and you have worked your whole life and are an American citizen, they take everything you have earned through the years as a legal citizen including your house before you get the free care that illegals do. That makes a lot of sense. The moral of this story is that if you are illegal, or a lazy drunk (not saying illegals are lazy) who has spent all his life earnings on booze, or simply refuse to work if you can find a job, you have free health care. An emergency room can't turn your medical needs down and they can't make you pay. Now that is REAL free health care. __________________ ---------- I don't receive email notifications of replies to subscribed threads. (Internet provider policy) Therefore, if I don't respond to your post within 24 hours, please send me a reminder PM and include the link to your thread.

06-24-2009, 12:33 AM	#13 (permalink)
djaburg TSF Enthusiast Join Date: May 2008 Posts: 1,152 OS: XP SP3/Vista/7 Server 2K/2K3/2K8	Re: La Raza Demands Obama's Health Reform Plan Cover Illegal Aliens Come visit one of our many hospitals here in San Diego, that would open your eyes. Yet they scream racist if you talk about illegal immigrants. __________________ Computers make it easier to do a lot of things, but most of the things they make it easier to do don't need to be done. The inherent vice of capitalism is the uneven division of blessings, while the inherent virtue of socialism is the equal division of misery.

06-24-2009, 08:04 AM	#14 (permalink)
yustr Asst. Manager, The Conversation Pit Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Connecticut shore Posts: 5,981 OS: XP Pro My System	Re: La Raza Demands Obama's Health Reform Plan Cover Illegal Aliens The obvious answer is a nationalized one payer system where everyone get the same basic coverage. If you want more - buy it. Insurance costs an average of $13,000 per family. How much of that is going to the insurance company rather than into treatment? How much is going to stockholder rather than treatment? How much is going to the CEO rather than treatment? How much is going to administration rather than treatment? And yes, how much of that is going to pay for the uninsured (only a small percent of whom are illegal’s) - who cost much more when their chest cold turns into pneumonia? You ask, on what basis can the government do this? Read the pre-amble to the Constitution; right after "provide for the common defense" comes "promote the general Welfare". The Founders had it right; if health isn’t as important as national defense, it’s a not very distant second. __________________ If there are lawyers or politicians involved, logic may be a very poor tool for reaching a conclusion.

06-24-2009, 09:23 AM	#15 (permalink)
simpswr Moderator Hardware Team Join Date: May 2007 Location: Houston, Texas Posts: 11,893 OS: XP, Vista, Win 7	Re: La Raza Demands Obama's Health Reform Plan Cover Illegal Aliens I wonder if in the flagelation in Washington over the Health Care propasals, if the current cost of providing health care to "undocumenteds" and "unfundeds" is taken into account? If the number is as large as the alarmists say it is, it could be a powerfull part of the conversation. __________________ Rich MemTest86 \| BenchTest \| Virus/Trojan/Spyware Help How to post a Screen Shot \| PC running slow?

06-24-2009, 10:47 AM	#17 (permalink)
simpswr Moderator Hardware Team Join Date: May 2007 Location: Houston, Texas Posts: 11,893 OS: XP, Vista, Win 7	Re: La Raza Demands Obama's Health Reform Plan Cover Illegal Aliens I watch them when I need a laugh . . I watch MSNBC when I need one also . . both are so blatently biased ( albiet in opposite directions ) that I don't beleive a thing either one says. __________________ Rich MemTest86 \| BenchTest \| Virus/Trojan/Spyware Help How to post a Screen Shot \| PC running slow?

06-24-2009, 02:29 PM	#20 (permalink)
simpswr Moderator Hardware Team Join Date: May 2007 Location: Houston, Texas Posts: 11,893 OS: XP, Vista, Win 7	Re: La Raza Demands Obama's Health Reform Plan Cover Illegal Aliens Who has proposed that we "want "everyone" to have the coverage and even the illegal criminals" __________________ Rich MemTest86 \| BenchTest \| Virus/Trojan/Spyware Help How to post a Screen Shot \| PC running slow?