U.S. Relies More on Aid of Allies in Terror Cases

**Jason** · 05-25-2009, 12:05 PM

WASHINGTON — The United States is now relying heavily on foreign intelligence services to capture, interrogate and detain all but the highest-level terrorist suspects seized outside the battlefields of Iraq and Afghanistan, according to current and former American government officials.

The change represents a significant loosening of the reins for the United States, which has worked closely with allies to combat violent extremism since the 9/11 attacks but is now pushing that cooperation to new limits.

In the past 10 months, for example, about a half-dozen midlevel financiers and logistics experts working with Al Qaeda have been captured and are being held by intelligence services in four Middle Eastern countries after the United States provided information that led to their arrests by local security services, a former American counterterrorism official said.

In addition, Pakistan’s intelligence and security services captured a Saudi suspect and a Yemeni suspect this year with the help of American intelligence and logistical support, Pakistani officials said. The two are the highest-ranking Qaeda operatives captured since President Obama took office, but they are still being held by Pakistan, which has shared information from their interrogations with the United States, the official said.

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/05/24/wo...ntel.html?_r=1

**sobeit** · 05-25-2009, 12:19 PM

just another way to get around the torturing rules.

RedScott · 05-26-2009, 07:16 AM

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Originally Posted by sobeit

just another way to get around the torturing rules.

Yep. Torture and indefinite incarceration. King Obama needs a place to hold them until it's legal to permanently jail them here.

**bruiser** · 05-26-2009, 10:34 AM

Obama just has to declare Gitmo a federal prison and the probem is solved.

Clinton followed a policy of rendition. He'd send anyone who was captured to a foreign land, Egypt in a lot of cases, where torture in the way you think of it was undoubtedly carried out.

yustr · 05-26-2009, 11:00 AM

Off topic but why do we even have a base in Cuba? I can understand it from a 19th Century perspective to enforce the Monroe Doctrine and all. I can even understand it from a mid-20th Century point of view. But why now? Naval Air Station Key West is 100 miles away - about 15 minutes in a F-18.

**sobeit** · 05-26-2009, 03:31 PM

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Originally Posted by yustr

Off topic but why do we even have a base in Cuba? I can understand it from a 19th Century perspective to enforce the Monroe Doctrine and all. I can even understand it from a mid-20th Century point of view. But why now? Naval Air Station Key West is 100 miles away - about 15 minutes in a F-18.

because we can

it was originally seized because the spanish american war and at the time it easier to protect the entrance of the gulf. A lot of the military have since moved to Florida.

bry623 · 05-26-2009, 08:17 PM

I think we have it just to make Fidel annoyed.

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Jason Faugh a ballagh Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Pasco, FL Posts: 8,416 OS: Windows Vista My System Blog Entries: 2	U.S. Relies More on Aid of Allies in Terror Cases WASHINGTON — The United States is now relying heavily on foreign intelligence services to capture, interrogate and detain all but the highest-level terrorist suspects seized outside the battlefields of Iraq and Afghanistan, according to current and former American government officials. The change represents a significant loosening of the reins for the United States, which has worked closely with allies to combat violent extremism since the 9/11 attacks but is now pushing that cooperation to new limits. In the past 10 months, for example, about a half-dozen midlevel financiers and logistics experts working with Al Qaeda have been captured and are being held by intelligence services in four Middle Eastern countries after the United States provided information that led to their arrests by local security services, a former American counterterrorism official said. In addition, Pakistan’s intelligence and security services captured a Saudi suspect and a Yemeni suspect this year with the help of American intelligence and logistical support, Pakistani officials said. The two are the highest-ranking Qaeda operatives captured since President Obama took office, but they are still being held by Pakistan, which has shared information from their interrogations with the United States, the official said. http://www.nytimes.com/2009/05/24/wo...ntel.html?_r=1 __________________ Posting Tips \| Advice for New People \| Common Fixes \| Agus na damnaithe fágtha gan focal Glaoigh ormsa i measc na naomh

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sobeit TSF Enthusiast Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: NEAR Posts: 7,433 OS: windows/linux	Re: U.S. Relies More on Aid of Allies in Terror Cases just another way to get around the torturing rules. __________________ there's been global warming since the ice age

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bruiser TSF Enthusiast Join Date: Jul 2005 Posts: 1,965 OS: xp	Re: U.S. Relies More on Aid of Allies in Terror Cases Obama just has to declare Gitmo a federal prison and the probem is solved. Clinton followed a policy of rendition. He'd send anyone who was captured to a foreign land, Egypt in a lot of cases, where torture in the way you think of it was undoubtedly carried out.

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yustr Asst. Manager, The Conversation Pit Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Connecticut shore Posts: 5,982 OS: XP Pro My System	Re: U.S. Relies More on Aid of Allies in Terror Cases Off topic but why do we even have a base in Cuba? I can understand it from a 19th Century perspective to enforce the Monroe Doctrine and all. I can even understand it from a mid-20th Century point of view. But why now? Naval Air Station Key West is 100 miles away - about 15 minutes in a F-18. __________________ If there are lawyers or politicians involved, logic may be a very poor tool for reaching a conclusion.

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bry623 Manager, The Conversation Pit/Analyst, Security Team Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: NW Territory circa 1787 Posts: 11,587 OS: winxp pro sp2	Re: U.S. Relies More on Aid of Allies in Terror Cases I think we have it just to make Fidel annoyed. __________________ I won a nobel prize too!!