Sex Offender e-mail Listing

yustr · 05-21-2009, 06:59 AM

Add this to the "Sex is worse than murder" archive. Link to story

I'm not trying to defend sex criminals but I wonder if there's a similar scheme for other violent criminals?

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Level 2 - If the risk of repeat offense is moderate, a level two designation shall be given to such sex offender. In such case the law enforcement agency or agencies having jurisdiction and the law enforcement agency or agencies having had jurisdiction at the time of his or her conviction shall be notified and may disseminate relevant information which may include the name of the sex offender, approximate address based on sex offender's zip code, a photograph of the offender, background information including the offender's crime of conviction, modus of operation, type of victim targeted, the name and address of any institution of higher education at which the sex offender is enrolled, attends, is employed or resides and the description of special conditions imposed on the offender to any entity with vulnerable populations related to the nature of the offense committed by such sex offender. Any entity receiving information on a sex offender may disclose or further disseminate such information at its discretion.

**40sondacurb** · 05-21-2009, 09:31 AM

California will let them serve their full term in jail and when their sentence is over we commit them to the state mental institution; which can hold the as long as it pleases. But they say the therapy reduces further the chance of re-offending.

bry623 · 05-22-2009, 06:17 AM

As many of you know, our next door neighbor is a sexual predator. I was glad to get the notification from the sheriff otherwise, I would never have known what he had done. Those letters are meant to protect innocent children, like my own.

Sexual predation is way worse than murder. Murders should be executed and anybody who lures a child into a trust situation and then exploits to get some sort of sick sexually satisfaction, should be brutalized in an ironic, poetic justice kind of way.......... and then executed.

**sobeit** · 05-23-2009, 08:50 AM

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Originally Posted by 40sondacurb

California will let them serve their full term in jail and when their sentence is over we commit them to the state mental institution; which can hold the as long as it pleases. But they say the therapy reduces further the chance of re-offending.

there are several other states that does this.

yustr · 05-23-2009, 10:14 AM

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Originally Posted by 40sondacurb

California will let them serve their full term in jail and when their sentence is over we commit them to the state mental institution; which can hold the as long as it pleases. But they say the therapy reduces further the chance of re-offending.

Nearly 2/3rds of criminals commit another crime in the first 3 years after leaving prison. LINK By the logic applied here why are we not committing all criminals to the mental institution? One strike and you're out.

**40sondacurb** · 05-23-2009, 03:56 PM

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Originally Posted by yustr

Nearly 2/3rds of criminals commit another crime in the first 3 years after leaving prison. LINK By the logic applied here why are we not committing all criminals to the mental institution? One strike and you're out.

Gang banging isn't in the DSM IV.

But they shouldn't qualify for institutionalization in my opinion, the DSM IV list sexual disorders along with Bipolar and Schizophrenia, but they are more like personality disorders such as antisocial' which don't qualify you for the state hospital.

bry623 · 05-26-2009, 08:22 PM

How many victims of sexual crime never come forward? To say one strike and you're out is pretty far out there.

yustr · 05-27-2009, 06:03 AM

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Originally Posted by bry623

To say one strike and you're out is pretty far out there.

But that's exactly what this type of sentencing permits; commit one crime regardless of where it falls on the long list of sex crimes, do your time, but at the end have a psychologist say that you're likely to do it again…what do ya know…you're on the list for life. In some states (WA had it for a while but may have changed it) they can imprison you until you are rehabilitated (which my never happen because what psychologist wants to be the one that releases the guy who does it again?) So, one strike and you’re out.

**Drew1369** · 05-27-2009, 06:32 AM

Ive never heard of that up here... Im gonna have to check that out

yustr · 05-27-2009, 08:21 AM

This article says 13 states have such a law (but doesn't list them.)

But...

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Jeffrey Shields, a 47-year-old from Bath, was committed under the federal Adam Walsh Child Protection and Safety Act of 2006, the first law that allows federal commitment for sexually dangerous offenders. US Judge Patti B. Saris issued her ruling after a 10-day trial in September that showed Shields had groped teenage boys on multiple occasions and that he had suffered sexual abuse himself as a child.

The judge's ruling means Shields will be held indefinitely under the jurisdiction of the US attorney general's office and receive sexual offender treatment. Once he has undergone treatment, he can petition the court to prove he is no longer a risk to reoffend. Where Shields will be held has yet to be determined. Article

So it doesn't matter if your state has such a statute, its in the federal arena too.

Be afraid. Be very afraid.

bry623 · 05-27-2009, 10:20 AM

My point is.......... how many of his victims never came forward? My neighbor got hit with 4 counts on the same kid. At his trial, his daughters asked that he be put a way forever because of what he did to them. When these degenerates get caught, it is almost never the first time.

yustr · 05-27-2009, 12:18 PM

I agree Bry, the crimes they get caught for are certainly not the only ones they commit. But the same can be said about the armed-robber. He most certainly has robbed others but wasn't caught. Or the drug dealer. Or the politician (

). But you don't see anyone suggesting we hold these criminals indefinitely until they're "cured” of their desires. That is my point.

bry623 · 05-27-2009, 01:30 PM

I see your point as well. I guess that the laws are tougher on people who prey on children because it is so morally distasteful.

lolarobot · 05-28-2009, 10:41 PM

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Originally Posted by bry623

As many of you know, our next door neighbor is a sexual predator. I was glad to get the notification from the sheriff otherwise, I would never have known what he had done. Those letters are meant to protect innocent children, like my own.

Sexual predation is way worse than murder. Murders should be executed and anybody who lures a child into a trust situation and then exploits to get some sort of sick sexually satisfaction, should be brutalized in an ironic, poetic justice kind of way.......... and then executed.

You absolutely have it right. There IS a reason sexual crimes are treated differently than other crimes. There is a whole different psychology involved and long term emotional damage, not only on the part of the victim, but the family. Killing someone is understandable at a certain level, but luring an innocent girl or boy into a sick, sexual situation for sexual satisfaction is something totally different, period. Children who are raped or abused have LONG lasting psychological illness as well as rape to adult women.

Including a level of sexual satisfaction to any crime, puts it into a class of its own. Don't want your e-mail posted...then don't commit a sexual crime. Pretty simple. Well, on 2nd thought, that is another reason sexual crimes are different. Many people who commit these crimes are seriously mentally ill vs. someone who robs a bank or murders someone... does not mean they have a sick problem.

bry623 · 05-29-2009, 08:01 AM

Welcome back lola (at first I thought it was LOL-a robot!)

yustr · 05-29-2009, 09:14 AM

Yes, welcome back Lola.

How's the recovery going?

lolarobot · 05-29-2009, 09:34 AM

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Yes, welcome back Lola.

How's the recovery going?

Well, my back is better, but now I am having some serious tailbone issues. Sometimes I wonder when it will all be resolved. I leave in one hour for a Lidocaine injection.

But, thanks for asking!!!

05-21-2009, 09:31 AM	#2 (permalink)
40sondacurb Don't be a menace Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 6,285 OS: Vista sp2	Re: Sex Offender e-mail Listing California will let them serve their full term in jail and when their sentence is over we commit them to the state mental institution; which can hold the as long as it pleases. But they say the therapy reduces further the chance of re-offending. __________________ Donate to keep the forum running

05-22-2009, 06:17 AM	#3 (permalink)
bry623 Manager, The Conversation Pit/Analyst, Security Team Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: NW Territory circa 1787 Posts: 11,563 OS: winxp pro sp2	Re: Sex Offender e-mail Listing As many of you know, our next door neighbor is a sexual predator. I was glad to get the notification from the sheriff otherwise, I would never have known what he had done. Those letters are meant to protect innocent children, like my own. Sexual predation is way worse than murder. Murders should be executed and anybody who lures a child into a trust situation and then exploits to get some sort of sick sexually satisfaction, should be brutalized in an ironic, poetic justice kind of way.......... and then executed. __________________ I won a nobel prize too!!

05-26-2009, 08:22 PM	#7 (permalink)
bry623 Manager, The Conversation Pit/Analyst, Security Team Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: NW Territory circa 1787 Posts: 11,563 OS: winxp pro sp2	Re: Sex Offender e-mail Listing How many victims of sexual crime never come forward? To say one strike and you're out is pretty far out there. __________________ I won a nobel prize too!!

05-27-2009, 06:32 AM	#9 (permalink)
Drew1369 TSF Enthusiast Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Seattle, WA, USA Posts: 3,359 OS: Win7 Ultimate	Re: Sex Offender e-mail Listing Ive never heard of that up here... Im gonna have to check that out __________________ We humans have a primal urge to kill because, thanks to natural selection, all the homo sapiens who didn't have a primal urge to kill, were themselves killed. http://obamaclock.org/

05-27-2009, 10:20 AM	#11 (permalink)
bry623 Manager, The Conversation Pit/Analyst, Security Team Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: NW Territory circa 1787 Posts: 11,563 OS: winxp pro sp2	Re: Sex Offender e-mail Listing My point is.......... how many of his victims never came forward? My neighbor got hit with 4 counts on the same kid. At his trial, his daughters asked that he be put a way forever because of what he did to them. When these degenerates get caught, it is almost never the first time. __________________ I won a nobel prize too!!

05-27-2009, 12:18 PM	#12 (permalink)
yustr Asst. Manager, The Conversation Pit Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Connecticut shore Posts: 5,974 OS: XP Pro My System	Re: Sex Offender e-mail Listing I agree Bry, the crimes they get caught for are certainly not the only ones they commit. But the same can be said about the armed-robber. He most certainly has robbed others but wasn't caught. Or the drug dealer. Or the politician ( ). But you don't see anyone suggesting we hold these criminals indefinitely until they're "cured” of their desires. That is my point. __________________ If there are lawyers or politicians involved, logic may be a very poor tool for reaching a conclusion.

05-27-2009, 01:30 PM	#13 (permalink)
bry623 Manager, The Conversation Pit/Analyst, Security Team Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: NW Territory circa 1787 Posts: 11,563 OS: winxp pro sp2	Re: Sex Offender e-mail Listing I see your point as well. I guess that the laws are tougher on people who prey on children because it is so morally distasteful. __________________ I won a nobel prize too!!

05-29-2009, 08:01 AM	#15 (permalink)
bry623 Manager, The Conversation Pit/Analyst, Security Team Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: NW Territory circa 1787 Posts: 11,563 OS: winxp pro sp2	Re: Sex Offender e-mail Listing Welcome back lola (at first I thought it was LOL-a robot!) __________________ I won a nobel prize too!!

05-29-2009, 09:14 AM	#16 (permalink)
yustr Asst. Manager, The Conversation Pit Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Connecticut shore Posts: 5,974 OS: XP Pro My System	Re: Sex Offender e-mail Listing Yes, welcome back Lola. How's the recovery going? __________________ If there are lawyers or politicians involved, logic may be a very poor tool for reaching a conclusion.