yustr

Cheney

Sure Rush has many listeners – somewhere south of 20 million. But , considering that it took 70 million to win the Presidency the Rep’s really need to think about letting this guy be their spokesman. Singing to the chior and all.

But then again, it’s probably just the liberal MSM throwing him up there as a straw man for the fun of it. It is comical.


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One of the few Republicans that this democrat might actually vote for and they throw him out.

sobeit

Colin Powell has always been iffy when it comes to politics. It makes no difference to me since he would never run for office, no matter what party he is with.

As far as the dope dealer Rush Limbaugh, I doubt he would ever run for anything too. First he would lose his radio show then he would lose his income and finally he would lose just about any election.

RedScott

Oh, is there a difference between Democrats and Republicans now? I hadn't noticed.

yustr

Good point...

Actually one way to look at is how they judge success. I call it the 5% solution. A program, tax change, project, etc is considered "good" if it helps 5% of the people. If its the top 5% the republican's think its good. If its the bottom 5% then its demo's. Notice neither considers the other 90% of us.

bry623

This is the most accurate description of politics ever. I have been saying all along that the middle class gets hosed every time.

Drew1369

Colin Powel is a great man, no matter what side of the political spectrum he is on.

RedScott

pffft, great man.

How soon we forget.

Drew1369

See, you are under the impression that I think the Iraq war was a bad idea. Colin Powel is a great man, no matter what side of the political spectrum he's on.

RedScott

Nah, I was assuming your qualification for a "great man" would include someone who told the truth and didn't just do what he was told. Guess not.

yustr

The main point here is why is Cheney the spokesman for the Rep'? And why is he channelling Limbaugh? I couldn't think of any two worse. So it must be a left wing conspiracy.

Drew1369

He isn't a spokesman for republicans... this is running off the same liberals that were asking why Rush was the spokesman for the republicans...

Cheney is a former VP. He is going to answer questions the way he wants to answer them. That doesn't make him a spokesman.

Drew1369

double post... delete if you wish

Chode

If it were only that simple Red, we'd all agree that the Little Boy Who Cried Wolf was a great man because, in the end, he told the truth about the wolf. I think Powell should have resigned as Secretary of State for many reasons. I doubt he found his job easy, and I think he did it to the best of his ability despite conflicts he felt. If the measure of greatness were perfection, we wouldn't have any great men in history.

RedScott

No, it wouldn't have been simple to do that right thing, but then that's the thing about greatness isn't it? It's usually not used for people who can do things we all could have/would have.

Question for Drew: What did Powel do to become great?

Tumbleweed36

I am not Drew, but wanted to put forth a few salient points.

I feel Colin Powell served his country in the military with respect and dignity. One can not take that away from him and that is what propelled him into the spotlight.

When he was Secretary of State, he did an honorable job. The information that turned out later to be incorrect was because he relied on the intelligence service of this country (CIA) to provide correct information.

I know you will say he gave that falsely, but if you look back, you will find that almost every Senator, Congressman, former presidents and many statesmen from other coutries agreed with his stance, because they too relied on intelligence services that were incorrect at that time. He gave the most complete information that was from the best sources that were available at that time, even if it turned out to be somewhat incorrect.

When his opinion on the Bush philosophy began to change at the end of Bush's first term from his earlier assessment, he had the decency to step aside for the good of the country. He did that with dignity when he had serious disagreements with the philosophy of the Bush administration. No whining, complaining, but loyal as a good soldier always is.

He did not say negative things and let things develop without the detraction of appearing to be a negative force of bitter disagreements. I am not saying that his position or Bush's opinion were either one correct or incorrect, but for the "good of the order," he stepped aside with grace. That is and was honorable.

Mr. Powell has a right to say what he wants, had a right to support who he wants for President, and certainly has a right to disagree with Republicans or Democrats. He has earned this through what he gave to this country over a long period of time. I don't think he thinks "Republican" or "Democrat" when he speaks. He speaks from his heart and whether he is correct or incorrect, he has earned that right.

IMHO, anyone who attacks him for honest disagreement and honest mistakes is way off base in view of the sacrifices he made in the service of this country. We need more people like Colin Powell who have integrity.

The only regret that I have, is that I wish he would not become entangled in a war of words with either the extreme right or the extreme left. That serves no one in the long run and detracts from the debate we should be having about the other problems on this country. IMHO, Colin Powell is an honorable man who deserves respect.

Chode

Landmark. This is the second time Tumbleweed and I have ever agreed on anything.

yustr

Back on Cheney being the republican voice. You may not want him speaking for you but he's the only one doing so. What a despicable man.

RedScott

He's not the Republican Voice. He's just talking and happens to be a Republican. He said something, and nothing happened. No one listens to him anymore anyway. When he's on, just turn off your TV.

He didn't serve or sacrifice anything for his country any more than a janitor does. He did a job and was compensated well for it. He knew what he was getting into and agreed to it. Joining the military or being a politician is not "service", it's paid labor. They *TELL* you it's service so you'll say things like "honor" and other words that don't really mean anything when you talk about them, but the fact is it's not service. Not anymore than anyone else who has a job anyways. Though at least janitors don't arrest you if you don't pay his salary.

And not making a fuss when he quits hardly qualifies him as a great man.

You didn't say anything he actually did. You just said what he did for a living.

Drew1369

but to many, what he did for a living made him a great man... Tumbleweed said everything for me (thanks dude).

He is a combat vet... that right their is more then what a janitor does. Now don't get me wrong... a janitor does a job that many many people don't want to do, and many are good at it. However, in my eyes... and several million people, Colin Powel is a great man, despite what some, and that includes Dick Cheney says about him.

Colin Powel did his job honorably, just like 99% of other great men and women that served in the armed forces.

If you don't think that someone joining the military for their country is honorable, that is your choice... just don't be angry when no one agrees with you.




Back to yustr' topic... Dick Cheney is not the "voice" he is just using his voice. He's the only one speaking because thats all the media is playing.

I'm am speaking and a republican... does that make me a spokesman?

bry623

He would have been the 08 nominee if had ran.