lolarobot

My male friend from Kiel, Germany told me about Woman's Day in Berlin, Germany and how ex Muslim women were burning their hijabs.. I was so excited to hear about this. This is a revolution and an illustration of how women do not want to be subjected to the abuses of the Islamic religion and being forced to cloak themselves in these oppressive and demeaning clothes.

A loud, clear, powerful and strong expression from suppressed women across the world, mainly Iran, Iraq and Muslim countries.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nWLs57qplpw

Mcninjaguy

so um can I burn my ugly clothing too feels so liberated to ahhh the wind ahh (sirens in the background)

looks like I'm too liberated ( hides in bushes)

jokes aside go ladies and equal treatment or opportunity for all and without double standards

lolarobot

My only question is this.... why do you have ugly clothes and who told you they were ugly?

Mcninjaguy

I was just joking

nahh I don't have ugly clothes
I have this shirt does it count as awesomeness?
http://www.topatoco.com/merchant.mvc...tegory_Code=RB

no but seriously I'm no fan of Islamic culture but not against it too much reither because most of the people are who practice it are just regular joes. It's just taken too far.
I also don't believe that when we profile a terrorist that people should get all uptight when we say its a middle eastern person because some of them have mindset of barbarism.

Terrorism aside there was this was this guy in Italy who beat his wife to death because he was following Sharia whatever law and he got away with it.

I really wish they totally separated church and state in middle eastern countries
it sickens me

EnglishPaul

Do you believe that purity rings are a good idea?

In Britain there is a growing movement of young Islamic women that are choosing the hijab as a self imposed expression of their faith.
Leaving all other issues to the side for now, the hijab is a sign of purity and modesty outside of marriage, and a sign of respect and loyalty to a marriage.
And it is said that with a culture that is so covered and deliberately non-provocative, the incidence of sex-crime is reduced. Although I don't have any figures, so I don't know how valid that view is.

lolarobot

Not sure what a purity ring is and the rate of rape and abuse is high in middle eastern countries... and ya know the best part? This is good.... a woman needs 4 male witnesses to prove she was raped and in many cases, they will whip or imprison or stone the woman who has been raped, saying she caused it.. pretty interesting, huh. So, not sure if the ol' ghost suite is a preventive measure against sexual assault.

simpswr

Now if they just burned a jhahidi

EnglishPaul

As I understand it, a purity ring is a ring that a youth chooses to wear to denote that they will abstain from sex until their marriage. It is an American Christan thing.

You stand the risk of throwing the baby out with the bathwater. British Muslim women that choose the hijab do not fall into the description above. And just because there is much wrong in Muslim countries, it doesn't necessarily make Islam, or wearing a hijab, wrong.
It would be like saying that Christianity was wrong because of how many people shot each other in America, or because of the injustice seen in hurricane Katrina.

lolarobot

Well, let's start with this. What "is" good with Islam? Just one thing please. Thanks!

EnglishPaul

Well, women choosing the hijab would probably start off by saying that Islam gives them a sense of identity.

lolarobot

And, what is that identity? Modesty or oppression? Based on what I have seen and read this is a symbol of oppression, not identity. Men tell them to wear this, it is not their choice, hence the reason women are burning them. Ever read the Qur'an? Might help guide you regarding this special "identity."

The head covering is interpreted as a symbol of male domination by most critics outside the faith, and by many Muslim women, who have been fighting for the right to dress as they please. In December of 2007, a father in Canada beat his 16-year-old daughter to death for refusing to wear the hijab (headscarf).


The Qur'an:

Sura (24:31) - Commands women to "draw their headscarves" over their neckline as well.

Sura (33:59) - "Tell thy wives and thy daughters and the women of the believers to draw their cloaks close round them..."

Sura (24:31) - "And say to the believing women that they cast down their looks and guard their private parts and do not display their ornaments except what appears thereof, and let them wear their head-coverings over their bosoms, and not display their ornaments except to their husbands or their fathers, or the fathers of their husbands, or their sons, or the sons of their husbands, or their brothers, or their brothers' sons, or their sisters' sons, or their women, or those whom their right hands possess, or the male servants not having need (of women), or the children who have not attained knowledge of what is hidden of women; and let them not strike their feet so that what they hide of their ornaments may be known." The woman is not only supposed to cover herself, except with relatives, but to look down, so as to avoid making eye-contact with men.



From the Hadith:



Bukhari (6:321) - Muhammad is asked whether it is right for a young woman to leave her house without a veil. He replies, "She should cover herself with the veil of her companion."



Bukhari (60:282) - After Muhammad issued the command (Sura 24:31) for women to cover themselves, the women responded by tearing up sheets to cover their faces.



Abu Dawud (2:641) - The Prophet (peace_be_upon_him) said: Allah does not accept the prayer of a woman who has reached puberty unless she wears a veil.



Bukhari (52:250) - [The Prophet said] "It is not permissible for a man to be alone with a woman, and no lady should travel except with a Muhram (i.e. her husband or a person whom she cannot marry in any case for ever; e.g. her father, brother, etc.)." - Neither is a woman allowed to travel by herself.




Additional Notes:


Islamic law (Sharia) clearly requires women to cover themselves. The degree of covering varies with how seriously a Muslim government interprets this, with the Taliban's Afghanistan at one extreme (requiring full burqas) and moderate governments such as Turkey and Tunisia (actually banning headscarves in public buildings) at the other.



The head covering is interpreted as a symbol of male domination by most critics outside the faith, and by many Muslim women, who have been fighting for the right to dress as they please. In December of 2007, a father in Canada beat his 16-year-old daughter to death for refusing to wear the hijab (headscarf).



Some insist that the veil is not mandated by the religion, although they do not have anything within the sacred texts to counter the passages in which Muhammad instructed its use. In fact, verse 24:60 says that the veil is only optional for unmarried women who are too old to have children, and even then the freedom to uncover the head is discouraged.



There are also many Muslim women who have come to rely on the veil as a protection against unwanted male attention. Some even describe it as 'liberating.'



In the West, the veil is gradually becoming a chic statement of political protest. Veils and burqas are becoming more common in Muslim countries with the resurgence of Islamic fundamentalism.

lolarobot

How is this for identity: (a woman is valued at only half... is this identity?)

Under Islamic law, rape can only be proven if the rapist confesses or if there are four male witnesses. Women who allege rape, without the benefit of the act having been witnessed by four men who subsequently develop a conscience, are actually confessing to having sex. If they or the accused happens to be married, then it is considered to be adultery.



The Qur'an:

Sura 2:282 - Establishes that a woman's testimony is worth only half that of a man's in court (there is no "he said/she said" gridlock in Islam).

Sura (24:4) - "And those who accuse free women then do not bring four witnesses (to adultery), flog them..."

Sura (24:13) - "Why did they not bring four witnesses of it? But as they have not brought witnesses they are liars before Allah."

From the Hadith:

Bukhari (5:59:462) - The background for the Qur'anic requirement of four witnesses to adultery. Muhammad's favorite wife, Aisha, was accused of cheating [on her polygamous husband]. Three witnesses corroborated the event, but Muhammad did not want to believe it, and so established the arbitrary rule that four witnesses are required.

Additional Notes:

Rape is virtually impossible to prove under Islamic law (Sharia) and even in more moderate countries. If the man claims that the act was consensual sex, there is very little that the woman can do to refute this. Islam places the burden of avoiding sexual encounters of any sort on the woman.

Mcninjaguy

can you find some good parts in Qu'ran

are you sure those retarded suras or whatever aren't added as they go?

I hope that Mosque's in any western society skips any of those parts or may mercy be on those ignorant fools for teaching inequality...
dammit

lolarobot

Well, I guess they make divorce easy on the man's part, so I guess that could be viewed as "good."

Question:

Can a Muslim man divorce his wife simply by repeating 'I divorce you' three times?


Summary Answer:

Yes. It's a controversial practice called the talaq or "triple-talaq." A husband may say to his wife at anytime she is not menstruating, "I divorce you, I divorce you, I divorce you," and this effectively throws her out on the street.


The Qur'an:

Islamic law on this issue is based on the Hadith and on a creative interpretation of part of Sura 2:229.


From the Hadith:

Muslim (9:3493) - This is one of several hadith in which it is clear that Muhammad practiced the triple talaq and approved of his followers doing the same.




Additional Notes:


Some Islamic scholars believe that it isn't right to do this in one sitting. They say that there is should be a period of time between the "three strikes."



Women's rights groups in the Muslim world are waging an uphill battle to prevent governments from recognizing the triple talaq - and with some success in the more moderate countries - but it will always be honored by Islamic courts.



Under Islamic law, once a marriage is consummated, a wife has absolutely no right to divorce her husband, even though she may be cast out at will for any reason.