mommabear

It's getting really ugly out there, folks.

Be afraid. Be very afraid.

sobeit

You really have to laugh at those comments made by Bachman. Whether you agree with them or not, liberals are protected under the constitution the same as conservatives, right wingers, left wingers, chicken wingers etc...Anyone who want to deny those groups the right to speak and express their opinions are they themselves anti-american.

mikeber

I have no idea if the above liberals are anti American or not, but Sara Palin's husband,Todd Palin registered in October 1995 to the Alaska Independence Party, a radical group that advocates for Alaskan secession from the United States. In the past she gave a speech at one of their meetings saying that she supports much of what they stand for (without detailing what).
Now, THAT IS ANTI AMERICAN !

mommabear

I wonder how long people laughed at McCarthy before the hearings began.

mommabear

Actually, it was during the "recent" past. Just last August. Also in 2006. And it seems she was also a member (with her husband) when she became mayor. One of the goals of AIP is to infiltrate our government.

Drew1369

No one is anti-american, liberals, conservative, secessionist or non. A secessionist is more pro state then anti-american. Look at Washington... Eastern WA wants to seperate to form its own state because our current and past governments only cared about Seattle. Is that anti-american? Anti-WA?

And you can say that about any group about infiltrating our government, from the KKK to the NAACP, to the anti-defimation league. so that point is moot.

To classify an anti-american is hard because those of the "other" side could very well believe that what they are doing is for the betterment of this country.

yustr

mikeber

1) The original post was about Bachman, who calls for an investigation into anti-American activities of liberals.
3) I recall many right wing conservative speakers who strongly believe that liberals are anti American. What they mean by that is that the liberals undermine US war efforts in places like Iraq (by criticizing the war) and act against vital US interests worldwide. The so called "liberals" strongly disagree and consider themselves US patriots.
3) On the other hand, some groups that want to get separated from the US, hold the opinion that the federal government is plotting against them (for example to take their fire-arms away). These groups claim that when the day comes, they will pick their rifles and make a stand against federal security forces. On at least one occasion Todd Palin claimed that he feels more Alaskan then American. Now, isn't that ANTI AMERICAN?

Chode

Drew, I'm afraid you're wrong about this. If you don't believe me, I suggest that you read Treason by Anne Coulter. The premise of the book is literally that all liberals are traitors to the U.S. And, no, she doesn't mean it as some sort of tongue-in-cheek joke. As a followup , try Godless.

Anne's a wacko, you say? Well, how about Palin's recent remarks about how she enjoys visiting the Pro-American parts of the country. Or McCain's frequently repeated remark that Obama "would wave the white flag of surrender" in Iraq. Or the current Republican ads that suggest Obama hates the U.S. so much he deliberately consorts with terrorists.

Drew1369

You mean I disagree with Ann Coulter... who knew... I disagree with lots of different people...

Palins remarks are Palins remarks tho it was vague enough to be taken as any meaning...
However you want to take it is your opinion... Seattle is pro-american, San Fransisco is pro-american...

But you could take it to mean that she ment she only wants to go to republican area's. So its up to you on what she ment.

Obama would wave the white flag of surrender in Iraq

And Obama did consort with Ayers, talked with him and such (blah blah, it was a board meeting... he just had coffee with the guy)

Obama tho is not anti-american... what Obama thinks is his own, I THINK that he would make this country even worse off then what Bush has done... am I anti-american in your eyes... or in your eyes am I just misguided?

All I gave was my opinion on the matter, and you try and use ann coulter against me... nice try

SABL

I don't think anyone could put this country in any worse shape than GW has. I DID vate for him in both elections..... I will not make the same mistake in the next election (and I do realise he cannot run a third time).

simpswr

Anyone who has Ann Coulter used against him can't be all bad , . . .

Chode

Drew, the point I was trying to make wasn't that you believe the extreme rightist dogma that says liberals are traitors, etc, but that are are plenty of folk who do. Just like there are lots who believe that they have The Only True Religion.

The thing about this campaign, is that we now have Palin (much more so than McCain) spouting these allegations more flagrantly than even the last two campaigns. I think it's counterproductive, but it obviously has strong appeal to some.

I always love the references to how Obama would "surrender" in Iraq. First of all, I notice that the Right still seems unable to define "victory", which makes terms like "surrender" nothing more than emotional rhetoric.

Let's see, we now have a democratically elected government in Iraq that is increasingly taking charge of their own security. The also want the U.S. military occupation to end. Seems to me we should honor the wishes of the sovereign nation of Iraq, right? So, how would working with the Iraqi's to set a timetable for withdrawal be waving a "white flag of surrender"?

linderman

Lets not get lost: "how would working with the Iraqi's to set a timetable for withdrawal be waving a "white flag of surrender?"

we werent really there to spread democracy; we are there to promulgate our interests and protect the blood of america (oil) .......................... therefore the conservative GOP have no intention of leaving ........ until all the black gold is gone anyway ......... then we will leave iraq just as fast as fleas leave a dead dog!

Drew1369

We are working with the Iraqi's hence 2011 is the date they want us out...

And believe me, its not just the right that uses the anti-american pitch... I was accused of hating America because I'm going to vote for McCain. How does that make me anti-american?

Chode

I don't think it does, but I'm curious about the details.

Drew1369

Someone on the street in Seattle was taking a poll on who you are voting for, all she wanted was the person for President, she recorded my response and someone walking up heard me... he said, "Do you hate America?" I said "Nope" he then told me "that I must because I'm voting for McCain."

I just looked and smiled and continued walking to the mall to get my lunch. I was pressed for time as I only get a half hour for lunch.

mommabear

That happens on both sides, when people let their emotions get in the way. I've been called a traitor because of my stance on the war.

But there's a big difference now. I'm not talking about the low-level campaign surrogates and men on the street engaging in name calling. Republicans and Conservatives who are in power are fanning these emotions for political benefit. The McCain camp is doing it blatantly, and we all see it. They want America divided. They can't stay in power without it.

sobeit

all I got to say is be thankful that this is not one of those countries where the only way the opposition can take power is with a gun.

mommabear

Well, maybe. But Bush still has the option of declaring martial law for any reason he sees fit.