Obama campaign calls for Special Prosecutor

mommabear · 10-18-2008, 07:56 AM

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Obama campaign wants Attorneygate prosecutor to probe GOP's 'sham anti-fraud campaign'
Nick Juliano
Published: Friday October 17, 2008

The current spate of trumped-up allegations of "voter fraud" coming from John McCain's campaign and his Republican allies and the FBI's decision to investigate represents exactly the same sort of politicization of justice that is at the root of an ongoing investigation into the firing of federal prosecutors, Barack Obama's campaign alleges.

Obama attorney Bob Bauer has asked Attorney General Michael Mukasey to expand the authority of the special prosecutor appointed to investigate the US Attorney firings to also include the fraud allegations. The campaign released a seven-page letter .pdf Bauer wrote to Mukasey on Friday requesting the investigation.

"Now, on the emerging evidence of recent conduct undertaken by Bush Administration officials, Republican Party officials, and representatives of the McCain-Palin campaign," he wrote, "it appears that further misconduct of the same nature, directly relevant to the work of the Special Prosecutor, requires that the scope of the Special Prosecutor's assignment be expanded."

Bauer cites the case of former US Attorney David Iglesias, who represented the District of New Mexico until 2006. Bush administration officials reportedly conspired to sack Iglesias in part because of his unwillingness to bring specious voter-fraud charges before an election. Iglesias this week called the voter fraud investigations a scare tactic and said he was shocked to see the FBI was pursuing an investigation based on similarly unmerited accusations of fraud.

On a conference call with reporters Friday, Bauer slammed the "illicit involvement of senior law enforcement officials" in leaking the details of the so-called fraud investigation. The Obama lawyer noted that the leak came "literally within 24 hours" of McCain's statement at Wednesday night's debate that ACORN was threatening the "fabric of our democracy."

http://rawstory.com/news/2008/Obama_...r_to_1017.html

Page 5 Sec. II, Part C of the pdf was particularly interesting. Just like before, Republican lawmakers sent letters to the DOJ and US Attorneys, demanding investigations right before an election, and against Justice rules, leaks about such requests get out.

You know, at the last debate, my head did perk up when McCain said ACORN “is now on the verge of maybe perpetrating one of the greatest frauds in voter history in this country, maybe destroying the fabric of our democracy.” The ACORN thing is about discrepancies on voter registrations. Nobody has voted fraudulently yet and history shows that proven voter fraud is not that prevalent. My gut feeling was "something's up" that we haven't heard about yet. And here it is.

As the story broke Friday night and a timeline of events:

http://crooksandliars.com/media/play/wmv/6610/23457
or here:
http://crooksandliars.com/logan-murp...-calls-investi

But surprise of surprises this time. Obama was ready for "something" and isn't waiting until after the election to act.

**Drew1369** · 10-18-2008, 06:14 PM

I like how you said "Nobody has voted fraudulantly yet..."

If this was a republican group doing it... everyone would be screaming to the high heavens.

But its Obama and the Democrats. They can do no wrong!

**sobeit** · 10-18-2008, 06:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Drew1369

I like how you said "Nobody has voted fraudulantly yet..."

If this was a republican group doing it... everyone would be screaming to the high heavens.

But its Obama and the Democrats. They can do no wrong!

I hate to tell you but the republicans have been screaming to the high heavens. Its all you hear about in the news. ACORN this, ACORN that.

As long as the states and county governements do their job and verify the voter rolls, there will not be the fraudulent voting the republicans keep griping about.

Tumbleweed36 · 10-18-2008, 06:40 PM

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Originally Posted by mommabear

Nobody has voted fraudulently yet

Actually, we don't know whether they have or have not. Most states (including Indiana) have already sent out absentee ballots and many have already voted in a vast majority of the country.

In Indiana, the absentee ballots were sent out about two weeks ago and many friends I know have already marked their ballots and sent them back in...otherwise, they have voted.

I do hope they check when anyone ( I don't care which party or political affiliation) reports suspected voter fraud, but at this point I don't think anyone knows for sure if there is fraud or not. If there is no fraud, then no one has anything to worry about.

I also am of the opinion that voter fraud is not exclusive to either Democrats or Republicans. Voter fraud is not party specific, and we all know that low life type people who would perpetuate a fraud come from all parties and all walks of life.

My philosophy is "Trust, but verify" in cases or accusations like voter fraud. To do less would be irresponsible in my opinion.

**Drew1369** · 10-18-2008, 06:53 PM

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Originally Posted by sobeit

I hate to tell you but the republicans have been screaming to the high heavens. Its all you hear about in the news. ACORN this, ACORN that.

As long as the states and county governements do their job and verify the voter rolls, there will not be the fraudulent voting the republicans keep griping about.

Yes... but you would see it alot more in the media... so far Ive seen a total of 5 reports, and three of them were on the raid in Vegas... the rest has been in the blogsphere

**sobeit** · 10-18-2008, 06:58 PM

here you go,

http://news.google.com/news?q=ACORN&...=1&sa=N&tab=wn

mommabear · 10-18-2008, 07:16 PM

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Originally Posted by sobeit

I hate to tell you but the republicans have been screaming to the high heavens. Its all you hear about in the news. ACORN this, ACORN that.

As long as the states and county governements do their job and verify the voter rolls, there will not be the fraudulent voting the republicans keep griping about.

It's because the states and governments are doing their job that the Republicans have to resort to these unscrupulous tactics. They can't win otherwise.

**sobeit** · 10-18-2008, 07:21 PM

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Originally Posted by mommabear

It's because the states and governments are doing their job that the Republicans have to resort to these unscrupulous tactics. They can't win otherwise.

I agree - they are doing anything they can.

What I find interesting is a couple of years ago, mccain supported and spoke at an ACORN rally.

http://www.google.com/search?q=mcain...ient=firefox-a

yustr · 10-18-2008, 08:01 PM

ACORN = much-ado about nothing. Mrs. yustr works the polling place on election days. At least in CT, there are always two address checkers - one from each party. To vote you have to show some form of ID and it has to match the address in the registration list. (No, I don't know what proper ID means - I could ask but its really not important.) There's very little chance of Donald Duck actually voting.

But that's not really the issue. Republicans would have you beleive it's an issue but it simply is not.

The real issue is the blatant attempt to get the FBI involved this close to an election...and even more so, who leaked it.

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"I'm astounded that this issue is being trotted out again," Iglesias told TPMmuckraker. "Based on what I saw in 2004 and 2006, it's a scare tactic." Article

**sobeit** · 10-19-2008, 03:30 AM

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Originally Posted by yustr

ACORN = much-ado about nothing. Mrs. yustr works the polling place on election days. At least in CT, there are always two address checkers - one from each party.

I also agree with this - it is much ado about nothing... there will be a computer printout at the polls, this print out will show if someone registered umpteen times - especially since its in alphabetical order. In addition this printout will show if there was an absentee ballot mailed to them. It would be unlikely someone who registered multiple times to vote multiple times. Even if they registered under another name, most states require some sort of id in order to vote.

True there will be some fraud, but every election has some.

ACORN was a good organization when it was first created. It went after those who were unlikely to register for whatever reasons - and it included both republicans and democrats. Just because there are more democrats are in the group they registered does not mean theres fraud. Republicans are just upset because the balance of power could shift even more if everyone who is eligible to vote votes.

I do not believe ACORN is fraud free. Anytime you pay individuals to collect signatures, registrations or whatever, there will be fraud because of greed by the individual who is doing the collecting. ACORN does not have access to voter registration rolls so they do not know if someone is already registered, nor are they able to verify the identity of the individual if proper acceptable identification was provided.

I say lets see what happens then claim fraud after the election if its there. However if the republicans keep crying wolf, if and when it happens, no one is going to listen.

**Chode** · 10-20-2008, 03:55 PM

Looks like those voter fraud investigations are already bearing fruit. Republican Voter Registration Chief Arrested for Fraud in California

10-18-2008, 06:14 PM	#2 (permalink)
Drew1369 Moderator Relaxation Room Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Seattle, WA, USA Posts: 3,425 OS: Win7 Ultimate	Re: Obama campaign calls for Special Prosecutor I like how you said "Nobody has voted fraudulantly yet..." If this was a republican group doing it... everyone would be screaming to the high heavens. But its Obama and the Democrats. They can do no wrong! __________________ We humans have a primal urge to kill because, thanks to natural selection, all the homo sapiens who didn't have a primal urge to kill, were themselves killed. http://obamaclock.org/

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sobeit TSF Enthusiast Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: NEAR Posts: 7,433 OS: windows/linux	Re: Obama campaign calls for Special Prosecutor here you go, http://news.google.com/news?q=ACORN&...=1&sa=N&tab=wn __________________ there's been global warming since the ice age

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Chode TSF Enthusiast Join Date: Sep 2006 Posts: 1,280 OS: Windows XP Pro	Re: Obama campaign calls for Special Prosecutor Looks like those voter fraud investigations are already bearing fruit. Republican Voter Registration Chief Arrested for Fraud in California __________________ Sweet!