universal health care

**flipper** · 10-10-2008, 09:01 PM

Ok, for those that want free health care, free housing and free college money, why not just join the military? You will be providing a service for the Country and in return you get your college paid for, you get free housing while in the military and you get free health care.

**Drew1369** · 10-10-2008, 09:32 PM

It is not free my friend. It is all earned with blood, sweat, and tears. (and a tiny paycheck)

**flipper** · 10-10-2008, 09:40 PM

Yeah, but you get free health care after too. And since when did it become wrong to work hard for something?

I see nothing wrong with a system like that. Give your country 4 years and get some extras in return. You don't want any of that, then doing join and don't complain. You want free health care and college then join.

**Drew1369** · 10-10-2008, 09:59 PM

Ahhh, but you nailed on what people seem to forget about this country...

Quote:

Originally Posted by flipper

work hard for something

It became wrong when certain elemants said it was wrong... you should just be getting this stuff because its what Europe and Canada is doing.

**sobeit** · 10-10-2008, 10:32 PM

you could also go to prison to get all of those benefits...

**EnglishPaul** · 10-11-2008, 04:02 AM

Nope, it wasn't Europe and Canada's society that was modelled on a prison.

If you sign up, you volunteer to kill people. If you are drafted you have no choice.

**Drew1369** · 10-11-2008, 10:18 AM

I was talking about the free health care and free college not volunteering vs drafted.

and I know many people that sign up to be in the medical career field... they signed up to save lives, instead of having no choice to save them.

**EnglishPaul** · 10-11-2008, 12:08 PM

Joining the Army to save lives. An interesting concept. Who was it that said the primary purpose of the Army is to kill the enemy and destroy their stuff?

I wouldn't become a life guard if I didn't like water.

But I can see that the Military offers many benefits.

**Drew1369** · 10-11-2008, 12:51 PM

That is the overal purpose of the military yes... buit there are job specifics... like being a doctor in the military... he isn't killing the enemy... he will actually try and save the enemy if he can.

That statement "to kill the enemy and brake their stuff" is just a statement that I always found funny... so anti-pc

**EnglishPaul** · 10-11-2008, 01:30 PM

So actually if you want universal healthcare, you just need to be a captured enemy of the US army.
But if you're a poor American...

Soon a terrorist defence (if ever given a trial) will be "Just needed a filling", or "Had a bad hip".

**Drew1369** · 10-11-2008, 04:09 PM

you aren't making any sense...

yustr · 10-11-2008, 04:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by EnglishPaul

So actually if you want universal healthcare, you just need to be a captured enemy of the US army.
But if you're a poor American...

Soon a terrorist defence (if ever given a trial) will be "Just needed a filling", or "Had a bad hip".

**Chode** · 10-11-2008, 04:32 PM

Flipper, we all know there isn't really such a thing a free health care. Well, maybe you don't, but then I have pretty low expectations where you're concerned. The issue about expanding access to health care in the U.S. and making it affordable has nothing to do with making it "free". If you read either Obama's or McCain's health care proposals, you should realize that both candidates are in fact advocating systems based on private insurance with some assistance from tax dollars.

Your remarks about "free" medical care for military personnel are even more wrong headed. Should we expect these men and women to be ready to put their lives on the line at a moment's notice and fail to provide them with basic services? Should a soldier sent from Ft. Hood to Seoul, Korea to defend our national interests have to worry about whether his wife and family can get essential medical care?

**SABL** · 10-16-2008, 10:00 AM

Quick question..... maybe.

Why is all the focus of health care getting out of reach for many Americans aimed directly at the insurance providers? When are the hospitals and medical professionals going to be blamed, also? IMHO the medical profession has become far too lucrative.

Regardless of either candidate's proposal for health coverage, they have stopped short of the real problem.

SABL

**linderman** · 10-16-2008, 10:25 AM

I know several doctors personally ........ that profession is no longer a rich mans "existance"

the insurance carriers on the other hand ...... now thats a horse of a diff color

and the drug makers too ........... you dont see doctors running one million dollar adds on TV to drum more business

I would not want to be a doctor ............... way too many hours of work / cost & risk too ...........

the governement cant run anything ............. how many times do they have to demonstrate that ?

the will spend $100.00 for every dollar that really enters the health care pool ........ you forget about all the hands that have to be fed before it hits the "table"

**SABL** · 10-16-2008, 10:36 AM

Granted, many doctors are not the problem. I did forget the drug companies... good point on your part. The health care industry has become corrupt and not all blame can be placed on the ins industry.... it is only a part of the problem and not the main picture.

yustr · 10-16-2008, 11:01 PM

If you recall at the second debate [sic] a woman asked the candidates if they though health care should be a commodity or was it a right? I thought it hit the nail on the head of the issue: if its a commodity, then insurance companies, pharma, hospitals, and yes, doctors have the right to make as much money off our illnesses as they can. However, if its a right, then those rules have to be changed.

Tomatoes = commodity
Free speech = right

10-10-2008, 09:01 PM	#1 (permalink)
flipper I helped the forums. Join Date: Feb 2003 Posts: 112 OS:	universal health care Ok, for those that want free health care, free housing and free college money, why not just join the military? You will be providing a service for the Country and in return you get your college paid for, you get free housing while in the military and you get free health care. __________________ People should not be afraid of their governments. Governments should be afraid of their people. But again, truth be told, if you're looking for the guilty you need only look into a mirror.

10-10-2008, 09:32 PM	#2 (permalink)
Drew1369 Moderator Relaxation Room Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Seattle, WA, USA Posts: 3,431 OS: Win7 Ultimate	Re: universal health care It is not free my friend. It is all earned with blood, sweat, and tears. (and a tiny paycheck) __________________ We humans have a primal urge to kill because, thanks to natural selection, all the homo sapiens who didn't have a primal urge to kill, were themselves killed. http://obamaclock.org/

10-10-2008, 09:40 PM	#3 (permalink)
flipper I helped the forums. Join Date: Feb 2003 Posts: 112 OS:	Re: universal health care Yeah, but you get free health care after too. And since when did it become wrong to work hard for something? I see nothing wrong with a system like that. Give your country 4 years and get some extras in return. You don't want any of that, then doing join and don't complain. You want free health care and college then join. __________________ People should not be afraid of their governments. Governments should be afraid of their people. But again, truth be told, if you're looking for the guilty you need only look into a mirror.

10-10-2008, 10:32 PM	#5 (permalink)
sobeit TSF Enthusiast Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: NEAR Posts: 7,433 OS: windows/linux	Re: universal health care you could also go to prison to get all of those benefits... __________________ there's been global warming since the ice age

10-11-2008, 04:02 AM	#6 (permalink)
EnglishPaul Still no avatar Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Sheffield Posts: 1,314 OS: XP SP2 Blog Entries: 9	Re: universal health care Nope, it wasn't Europe and Canada's society that was modelled on a prison. If you sign up, you volunteer to kill people. If you are drafted you have no choice.

10-11-2008, 10:18 AM	#7 (permalink)
Drew1369 Moderator Relaxation Room Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Seattle, WA, USA Posts: 3,431 OS: Win7 Ultimate	Re: universal health care I was talking about the free health care and free college not volunteering vs drafted. and I know many people that sign up to be in the medical career field... they signed up to save lives, instead of having no choice to save them. __________________ We humans have a primal urge to kill because, thanks to natural selection, all the homo sapiens who didn't have a primal urge to kill, were themselves killed. http://obamaclock.org/

10-11-2008, 12:08 PM	#8 (permalink)
EnglishPaul Still no avatar Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Sheffield Posts: 1,314 OS: XP SP2 Blog Entries: 9	Re: universal health care Joining the Army to save lives. An interesting concept. Who was it that said the primary purpose of the Army is to kill the enemy and destroy their stuff? I wouldn't become a life guard if I didn't like water. But I can see that the Military offers many benefits.

10-11-2008, 12:51 PM	#9 (permalink)
Drew1369 Moderator Relaxation Room Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Seattle, WA, USA Posts: 3,431 OS: Win7 Ultimate	Re: universal health care That is the overal purpose of the military yes... buit there are job specifics... like being a doctor in the military... he isn't killing the enemy... he will actually try and save the enemy if he can. That statement "to kill the enemy and brake their stuff" is just a statement that I always found funny... so anti-pc __________________ We humans have a primal urge to kill because, thanks to natural selection, all the homo sapiens who didn't have a primal urge to kill, were themselves killed. http://obamaclock.org/

10-11-2008, 01:30 PM	#10 (permalink)
EnglishPaul Still no avatar Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Sheffield Posts: 1,314 OS: XP SP2 Blog Entries: 9	Re: universal health care So actually if you want universal healthcare, you just need to be a captured enemy of the US army. But if you're a poor American... Soon a terrorist defence (if ever given a trial) will be "Just needed a filling", or "Had a bad hip".

10-11-2008, 04:09 PM	#11 (permalink)
Drew1369 Moderator Relaxation Room Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Seattle, WA, USA Posts: 3,431 OS: Win7 Ultimate	Re: universal health care you aren't making any sense... __________________ We humans have a primal urge to kill because, thanks to natural selection, all the homo sapiens who didn't have a primal urge to kill, were themselves killed. http://obamaclock.org/

10-11-2008, 04:32 PM	#13 (permalink)
Chode TSF Enthusiast Join Date: Sep 2006 Posts: 1,280 OS: Windows XP Pro	Re: universal health care Flipper, we all know there isn't really such a thing a free health care. Well, maybe you don't, but then I have pretty low expectations where you're concerned. The issue about expanding access to health care in the U.S. and making it affordable has nothing to do with making it "free". If you read either Obama's or McCain's health care proposals, you should realize that both candidates are in fact advocating systems based on private insurance with some assistance from tax dollars. Your remarks about "free" medical care for military personnel are even more wrong headed. Should we expect these men and women to be ready to put their lives on the line at a moment's notice and fail to provide them with basic services? Should a soldier sent from Ft. Hood to Seoul, Korea to defend our national interests have to worry about whether his wife and family can get essential medical care? __________________ Sweet!

10-16-2008, 10:00 AM	#14 (permalink)
SABL Moderator Relaxation Room Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: Galena, Ohio Posts: 1,233 OS: WinXP SP3	Re: universal health care Quick question..... maybe. Why is all the focus of health care getting out of reach for many Americans aimed directly at the insurance providers? When are the hospitals and medical professionals going to be blamed, also? IMHO the medical profession has become far too lucrative. Regardless of either candidate's proposal for health coverage, they have stopped short of the real problem. SABL

10-16-2008, 10:25 AM	#15 (permalink)
linderman Moderator, Hardware Team Join Date: May 2005 Posts: 20,437 OS: win 2000 pro / Win XP pro My System	Re: universal health care I know several doctors personally ........ that profession is no longer a rich mans "existance" the insurance carriers on the other hand ...... now thats a horse of a diff color and the drug makers too ........... you dont see doctors running one million dollar adds on TV to drum more business I would not want to be a doctor ............... way too many hours of work / cost & risk too ........... the governement cant run anything ............. how many times do they have to demonstrate that ? the will spend $100.00 for every dollar that really enters the health care pool ........ you forget about all the hands that have to be fed before it hits the "table" __________________ I still know nothing and I respect that fact, striving to improve and, along the way, help anyone that comes from the place that I used to be! Power Supply Selection LEARN TO BACK-UP YOUR DATA FREE & EASY YouTube - Runtime Software DriveImage XML tutorial

10-16-2008, 10:36 AM	#16 (permalink)
SABL Moderator Relaxation Room Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: Galena, Ohio Posts: 1,233 OS: WinXP SP3	Re: universal health care Granted, many doctors are not the problem. I did forget the drug companies... good point on your part. The health care industry has become corrupt and not all blame can be placed on the ins industry.... it is only a part of the problem and not the main picture.

10-16-2008, 11:01 PM	#17 (permalink)
yustr Asst. Manager, The Conversation Pit Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Connecticut shore Posts: 6,050 OS: XP Pro My System	Re: universal health care If you recall at the second debate [sic] a woman asked the candidates if they though health care should be a commodity or was it a right? I thought it hit the nail on the head of the issue: if its a commodity, then insurance companies, pharma, hospitals, and yes, doctors have the right to make as much money off our illnesses as they can. However, if its a right, then those rules have to be changed. Tomatoes = commodity Free speech = right __________________ If there are lawyers or politicians involved, logic may be a very poor tool for reaching a conclusion.