mimo2005

Bush did three things to skyrocket the debt from $5.7 trillion to $10 trillion:
1. He lowered taxes on the rich (by far the biggest item).
2. He invaded Iraq instead of winning in Afghan-Pakistan (another $600 B).
3. He loosened controls on Wall Street.

http://zfacts.com/p/318.html



They pushed and passed what ever bill,grants,funding,legislation ,loan to nowhere they wanted , they used the war on terror strategy in every CORNER , to scare the people who tried to resist the insanity.

Remember the republican MOTTO : " You are either with us or with THE terrorists "

That's how , they managed to convince people for the crazy spending and every freaking bill was passed.


WAAAA bogeyyyyman.

Drew1369

Bush Lowered taxes for all... Iraq was a consequence of several lawmakers not just Bush... he asked... and they granted... and controls were even loosened during Clintons years...


Crazy spending is happenening with a democrat controlled congress (Ahem... several "sweeteners" to entice republicans to vote for it)

Try again!

K-B

Yes...many of the current problems have their roots way back, even in the Clinton administration.

mimo2005

You can't spend like a drunk and lowers taxes at the same time , i mean it is obvious.As it happens, McCain backed all three Bush policies.Obama opposed the first two and said Wall St. needed regulating.


Did you know we just passed a $612 billion spending bill to the military ?
http://therealnews.com/t/index.php?o...4&jumival=2450

Oh i forgot : I guess the "it is either you are with the spending or with the terrorists " is still working at FULL speed.

Drew1369

Good... the military needs it... do you know how hard it is to get spare parts... thank you Clinton again... I felt his budget pinch When I joined as well... they are finally giving the men and women they pay they deserve...

And again... what party controls both the senate and house?

I agreed with the first two as well... And I'll be voting against my senate rep who voted for it... and for my house rep that voted against the bailout.

Try again...

mimo2005

"it is either you are with the spending or with the terrorists"

hehehehehehehe
the DoD was renamed from the Department of War. After WW2, the politicians or whoever figured "Defense" sounded a lot better to the public than "War." And then we get Korea, Viet Nam and now Iraq. Hooray!
Such an incredible waste of money...

Who's next , Canada? They have oil , drew and gas...wait and gold too!

Wake up Sheeple .

Drew1369

Nah... I doubt Canada... they are a great buffer for the time being... plus we have a commen defense structure with them...

and they rename alot of things... They went from War to Defense...

So now you point out what Ive been saying... it wasn't just Bush that has done the spending... thank you

And lets see WW2 (Democrat) Korea (Republican) Vietnam (Democrat) Grenada, Panama, Iraq 1st (Republican) Somalia, Iraq 2nd, 3rd, Kosovo, Serbia (Democrat) Afgahnistan, Iraq 4th (Republican) Hmmm looks like the the blame is pretty spread out...

but that can't be... Bush caused it all... that bad bad evil man gone and done it... I bet he prayed for Katrina tooooo.....

try again

yustr

If you take out WW2, what do any of these have to do with defense? I think they should go back to calling it the War Department. It's what they do.

Drew1369

True, as with anything its all a matter of perception

Too look at it from a defensive point of view:

Korea; we were helping an ally stave off invading forces of a communist nature that could have used it as a rallying cry to invade the US

Vietnam; same as Korea

Grenada; we were rescuing med school students... and the host army got in the way

Panama; we had to take out the leader before he started shipping drugs to the US

Iraq 1st; We were helping an ally stave off the the invading forces of an evil dictatorship that could have used the money gleaned from the spoils of war to attack the US

Somalia; Was a UN mandate to help, and cant think of any reason... its a pretty crappy country... no offense

Iraq 2nd AND 3rd; For the destruction of WMD's that could have been used to attack the US

Kosovo; UN mandate... and like somalia I cant really think of a reason.

Serbia; NATO operation, allies used treaties to get our assistance... glad to help!!!

Afgahnistan; Retalitory strike to take the fight off of US soil... so far... its been effective

Iraq 4th; Finish the job of eliminating Saddams WMD base to use against the US, obviously that didn't pan out as well, as the only WMD's we have found were pre '91 stocks hidden in the sand. So know its another way to keep the fight off of our soil.


Now obviously there are counter points to all I have said. And I'm sure you will point them all out... like obviously the big communist menace didn't happen after Vietnams fall... and that technically the Korean War never ended... but opinions are all on how you look at the matter... great, aren't they?

And yes... a militaries only job is to make war... or train to make war...

Or as put by my T.I."The only purpose of the military is to kill the enemy, and break their stuff!"

mimo2005

Another GULLIBLE AMERICAN VOTER in this forum , i understand now why people voted twice for Bush .

Unbelievable , how people can be so naive!

Drew1369

Apparently you didn't grasp the concept of my post... its ok... I understand

Tumbleweed36

Darn, and I thought I was done with college. However, I guess I need to go back to school again to study government.

I was under the impression that all tax increases, authorizations for war, and wall street controls were the domain of the legislative branch and they have to approve any and all authorizations like you have mentioned BEFORE the President even gets the bill to either sign or reject. I wonder how he alone (that is what is implied, it was his fault) did this in violation of the legislative branch acting first?????

If he did this in a sneaky way and the legislative branch didn't know or approve of all of the items you have mentioned, then he should be tried for treason. That is not right if he broke the law and did this all by himself without involving the congress.

On the converse, if the congress approved and sent him the bill and he signed it, then you need to look also at the people who sent him the authorization in the first place. Maybe there is enough blame to go around and Democrats are as responsible as Republicans. No, what I meant was Democrats are as irresponsible as Republicans are.

I am truly saddened that we have only the choices we do in this next election.

linderman

I am truly saddened that we have only the choices we do in this next election


as am I!! neither choice will be good for this country ........ the "give away boy" nor the "out of touch; rabid pitbull"

linderman

I would cringe at the thought of having to work with McCain ......... makes me appreciate my job more everyday!

EnglishPaul

I wonder how long it will be before the global war on terrorism, and the need to employ people, combine in subscription. I can imagine that the bankers would be promoted to the front line pretty quick (if only there were a front line!)
By all means spend on the military. By all means bail out the stupid or unfortunate. But why not combine both. And perhaps with more vets, there would be less chance of war: or perhaps more if Drew's thoughts are common.

Its just occurred to me that the risk to the american way of life seems far more at peril because of the financial crisis, than 9/11. Oh well, some enemies we fight, and some we get in to bed with.

Seems like Daddy Bush was too busy running the country to teach his son to save up for things before he bought them. So now the whole country is built on the ideal of buying before you can pay.

As for taxing the rich; that boat has sailed. I wonder how rich the rich now are. I doubt they keep all their riches in the mattress, so I guess they have seen losses too.

yustr

Along these same lines:

The Plum Island Animal Disease Center was changed from Dept of Agriculture to Dept of Homeland Security after 9/11.

PIADC studies only diseases of animals - not ones that can move from animals to humans.

The diseases could have major impact on the US economy.

Therefore, Bush decided that impacts to our economy belonged within the DHS.

Anybody else see a scary pattern here?

Drew1369

My thoughts are paying these people what they deserve... if there was better pay, more people would enlist... no I do not like war, it should be the last thing on anyones mind. The men and women prepare for war, but always hope to never have to use their training. I believe that if someone hopes for war then they have a mental disorder and should be relieved of duty. All my points were were just to point out differences of opinion as I thought I made clear with "Its all a matter of perception"

I guess words are lost on those that dont want to listen.

EnglishPaul

At the risk of going well off topic, Saddam Hussain said "Iraq has no weapons of mass destruction". Who was listening then?
I guess worlds are lost on those that don't want to listen.

flipper

http://www.truthorfiction.com/rumors/b/bushlied.htm

Drew1369

IOn the case of listening you failed to listen

Search the net... its sourced several times by several news org's

But yes... this whole thing is about "Bush is evil" post not that "no one paid attention" post