bry623

http://afp.google.com/article/ALeqM5...Zk5xnYygW1W67w

simpswr

Where does it say that in the article???

bruiser

Sixth paragraph up from the bottom.

simpswr

I read that to be more about leadership than asking for permission. If we have any hope of winning this thing in November, silly, out of context quotes and ascertains are not the solution. We need to debate the basic fundamental differences in the two parties and make our case convincingly enough to over come the last 8 years of the “gang who could not shoot straight”.

This is not a 7th grade Class president type race . . a hell of a lot depends on who wins this one.

bry623

Ah, but it is OK for the liberals to post things about the republicans in this forum??

I purposefully pulled a liberal trick on this. Score one for me.

Basically what it boils down to is that this is akin to John Kerry saying that to use force that America must pass the "global test". I don't care what France thinks is OK for Americans to do.

simpswr

Posting silliness on forums is one thing . . just another form of micheiviousness. But I hope we do not think that that will help one iota in the elections. It seems to me that we have lost our way . . unwilling ( or unable ) to debate the fundimental differences, so each side resorts to childish behavior.

simpswr

. . and . . I can understand the Dems posting HS like this . . they are still in intrasquad scrimmage . . we had better be thinking about the real game . . how to take away Obama's most damaging theme . . " John McCain is running for George Bushes third term" . . John is going to have to separate himself from W in a way that does not tear the party down, but makes it clean that "Stay the course" is no longer an option.

yustr

Back on topic...

I've bolded the relevant part of the linked article. (BTW: AFP is a French news agency on par with the AP and Reuters ( LINK ) so contrary to your statement Bry, you obviously DO care what the French think... ) What BHO is criticizing is the "Our way or the highway" attitude that has substituted for statesmanship it Washington for way too long. The world is too interdependent for us to think that we can do whatever we wish at the expense of anyone and everyone else. He's not asking for the approval of anyone. He's asking for leadership where none exists.

Wozer

skip the interdependence, the rest of the world already hates us for our 'greed' (and rightly so) and wants their share of the pie (also rightfully so)...

as of this writing, after King George has ruined our country, we had better start acting responsibly with the finite energy resources left otherwise the rest of the world is going to gang up on us and put us in our place....

every day I get a huge laugh every time I see a pickup with a 5.5' bed...that's not a truck, its an over glorified SUV owned by some moronic idiot that thinks he's cool because he's got a 'manly' truck....said person never uses it like its intended to be (ermmm..at least by what 'real' people think), but they want the image and don't give a flip about the low mpg ratings...I have no choice, I use by pickup as a truck about 70% of the year...I love the 30% of the time that I don't have to have tools in the bed because I'm on a secure enough job site that I can leave them in a lockbox overnight....

and that's a typical American mentality....throw it away, use it up, go f*** the rest of the world....

Chode

A poor attempt at a Jedi mind trick Darth Bryster! Using Jedi wisdom while serving the Dark Side you cannot.

Impetuous young Barack may be, but his words have merit. Went to the Saudi's did Chancellor Bush. Umm. Begged for oil he did. A Wet Willie he received. Umm. http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...051601111.html

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...051601111.html

bry623

LOL, I like Darth Bryster!

EnglishPaul

I think if you want to keep your houses at a constant 72deg, then you should learn to migrate. Its not as if you don't have the land.

It seems to me that power usage should not have to lead to global warming. I think Nuclear power is the lesser of two evils.
I think that America should set an example with respect to global warming, but I contest that our lifestyle has to suffer. We just need to refocus a few things. But Obama does have a better approach than that of a 3 year old that just stands in the corner saying no to everything.

bry623

Either way, you'll get a president who is against "global warming"

simpswr

. . are there any who are in favor of it????

EnglishPaul

The president of Siberia probably sees the up-side.

Chode

I think America has done such a good job of pushing the ideal of conspicuous consumption to the world, that we can forget developing countries forgoing American (or European, for that matter) luxuries; even if we wear sackcloth and burn dung for fuel.

Hard to blame them, isn't it? I mean, if I were a farmer and had a choice between plowing a field with an ox or a Deere, it wouldn't be much of a choice.

But I do think that America needs to do more to lead the way toward developing affordable energy technologies that don't use fossil fuels. I don't think that oil and gas prices are totally driven by "free market pricing", but now is a good time to use fuel costs to start exploring alternatives. That particularly means not caving to oil company demands that we open new areas for drilling.

Oil companies want to drill in the Arctic National Wildlife Refuge and the Continental Shelf because the known reserves are large and relatively cheap to exploit. At current pricing, that translates into massive profits.

Of course, the U.S. still has lots of other oil reserves. Here in the Texas Panhandle, there is new drilling and re-opening of old wells going on everywhere, because at current pricing, it's profitable even if production isn't stunning. I think at some point "oil" companies are going to be forced to make the transition to becoming "energy" companies if they want to stay in business. But boy, is it going to hurt!

mommabear

Good Lord! I've been around long enough to remember being encouraged to set the thermostat at 68. And living for some years in a semi-arid part of the US, we had a saying in hour house: "Take a bath, take a friend."

Is that all ya got, bry623?

Wozer

little known fact about about nuclear waste...over 90% of it is from the military's production of weapons, and use on warships....the rest is from commercial energy production...

what a turn of events...when I was in high school and arguing for nuclear power it was a true fight...clearly nukes don't directly pollute the environment...now even Greenpeace supports the future use of nuclear energy...

the problem with present technology is that there is a definite finite supply of U-235 and it has been estimated that if the whole world went nuclear to the fullest of their abilities the uranium would run out in about 50 years....what it sounds like is that the breeder reactor projects should be dusted off and put to use and the technology of using plutionium should be perfected...Pu-239 is made by bombarding U-238 with controlled speed neutrons...there is plenty of U-238 around considering less than 1% of uranium isotopes are U-235...238 is that nice heavy, dense stuff the military uses for projectiles (and when it hits a tank it vaporizes and contaminates the environment...basically any country that uses depleted uranium (235) is guilty of war crimes)

72° is frigid to me!....at least as a cooling temperature...nice and toasty in the winter though!

Chode

The nuclear industry has a long track record of cost over-runs and under performance linked to much higher than projected fuel costs and unrealistic construction costs. Heck, I was in living in Austin when the South Texas Nuclear Project was first being debated, and the city was trying to decide whether or not to buy in. Ultimately, we took the shotgun approach. Austin invested in the STNP, helped build the Fayette I and II coal plants, and coughed up more money to the Lower Colorado River Authority to develop more hydroelectric power.

Still you can't blame the nuclear power industry for all the cost issues. 30 years ago I had a friend who ran a uranium mining operation East of San Antonio. They strip-mined ore. It was fairly expensive for the company, and virtually unregulated by the state. The mining company wanted to do solution mining, but there was no agreement among state agencies as to who was responsible for the oversight. They all wanted some of the action.

Ultimately, the Texas State Water Quality Commission was given jurisdiction, and the standard established was that effluent water from the solution mining should contain less uranium than the naturally occurring ground water in the area.

This only took something like 3 years and replaced an unregulated process with an overly-regulated process. The mining company might have been ahead in purely financial terms just to go ahead and pollute.

yustr

Wait Wait Wait...

You can't be serious talking about the US switching to using even more nuclear power as a model for the rest of the world to follow.

The response that BHO gave addressed consumption not generation. Arguing which technology the US should use to produce more power so that we can continue to us a disproportionate share is begging the question.