If We Hired Like We Vote

mimo2005 · 05-12-2008, 08:17 AM

**sobeit** · 05-12-2008, 08:20 AM

they might even go all the way back to what your grade school said. :-)

bry623 · 05-12-2008, 11:20 AM

.......then nobody in their right mind would hire a minority with almost no experience.

mimo2005 · 05-12-2008, 11:53 AM

Our best performing US companies are bringing indians , pakistanis and chinese.... IT business , medecine , enginering, etc,etc,etc.

Hummmm,interesting.

Our family dentist was born in srilanka. My son doctor is a mix of india and german parents.Talk about minority! The result that matters...LOL

Some people are still backward in 2008.

**EnglishPaul** · 05-12-2008, 01:18 PM

Sadly lots of people do get jobs because daddy used to do it.

...They are normally the most incompetent ones!

bry623 · 05-12-2008, 02:22 PM

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Originally Posted by EnglishPaul

Sadly lots of people do get jobs because daddy used to do it.

...They are normally the most incompetent ones!

BUSH SLAM ALERT!

mikeber · 05-15-2008, 08:09 PM

Yes, Obama indeed doesn't have minimal credentials for being a presidential candidate. He speaks with pride about his days as youth counselor in Chicago. Is that a qualification? Maybe, but he still didn't serve 2 full years in senate.
When a good friend of mine applied for a job at the local supermarket, she was asked what retail experience she brings with her. She said that she worked in office environments for many years and has great recommendations. That wasn't the qualification the hiring manager was looking for. He said - "you are a very nice lady and you may be the best cashier but we cannot take the chance...the risk is too high" Take the chance? What chance? What can happen if they hired her and eventually she was not a good fit? Nada...
Obama can end up being a terrific president, but can we take the chance?
With Obama, American voters are willing to take the highest possible risk. Why would we do what a supermarket manager wont?

**simpswr** · 05-15-2008, 08:26 PM

If that supermarket manager had to pick from the same three choices we have before us right now . . this next sentence would be "here is your badge Obama . . now get to work and prove me right"

yustr · 05-15-2008, 08:36 PM

Mike,

You're forgetting history...Look back on the presidents of the recent past: Dwight Eisenhower was an Army General with no prior experience. Kennedy was a short term Senator. Johnson - career politician. Nixon - well was Nixon, career politician, nuff said. Ford - career politician. Jimmy Carter was a one term governor. The Republican deity Ronald Reagan was a two term governor (and a pretty crappy one if you ask me) with no other prior experience. Daddy Bush was VP plus a bunch of appointments. Clinton - a governor of a minor state. Bush Jr. gov of a large state.

So we've had a mix of career politicians and newbies. Some good. Some not so good. So you really can't make any general risk determination based only on experience alone.

But back on topic: way too much attention has been focused on who is supporting the many candidates but little has been focused on who is advising the candidates. I'm much more interested in who is telling McCain that the market is working wrt health care? Or who does BHO go to for economic advice? These are the likely members of their administrations and will have a large influence in policy. The Rev. Wright will not.

mikeber · 05-16-2008, 08:01 PM

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Originally Posted by yustr

Mike,

You're forgetting history...Look back on the presidents of the recent past: Dwight Eisenhower was an Army General with no prior experience. Kennedy was a short term Senator. Johnson - career politician. Nixon - well was Nixon, career politician, nuff said. Ford - career politician. Jimmy Carter was a one term governor. The Republican deity Ronald Reagan was a two term governor (and a pretty crappy one if you ask me) with no other prior experience. Daddy Bush was VP plus a bunch of appointments. Clinton - a governor of a minor state. Bush Jr. gov of a large state.

So we've had a mix of career politicians and newbies. Some good. Some not so good. So you really can't make any general risk determination based only on experience alone.

But back on topic: way too much attention has been focused on who is supporting the many candidates but little has been focused on who is advising the candidates. I'm much more interested in who is telling McCain that the market is working wrt health care? Or who does BHO go to for economic advice? These are the likely members of their administrations and will have a large influence in policy. The Rev. Wright will not.

Many of the former presidents you mention had some experience MANAGING of LARGE ENTERPRISES (i.e. Eisenhower) making tough decisions, dealing with huge budgets. They had to command big administrative bodies and make sure their policies are carried out by people they never met face to face. These are not easy tasks for any person. Indeed, a key question is who are the advisers and those in the close circle of the president, but we cannot say at this stage who these people will be and what positions they will hold. Things can change until elections day.
Rev. Wright, as you correctly say, will not be in the close circle of Obama's decision makers. But, Obama himself mentioned that he was influenced by this person for 20 years. Other people with similar opinions were among his friends. That doesn't mean that Obama's policies will be a copycat of Rev. Wright speeches. This wont be possible even if Wright himself is president. But when you are cooking in the kitchen for many hours the odor sticks to you even when you get out. That is inevitable.
As I already said, Obama might prove himself as an excellent president. Only time will tell. The question is why the American public is willing to take such risks. There are 300 million people in the US. Are these the best candidates that both GOP and democrats could choose? I doubt it.

bry623 · 05-19-2008, 10:03 AM

Obama's toughest decision is trying to tell the masses if he is black or white.

**EnglishPaul** · 05-19-2008, 10:41 AM

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Originally Posted by bry623

Obama's toughest decision is trying to tell the masses if he is black or white.

"It doesn't matter"

bry623 · 05-19-2008, 01:42 PM

I completely agree that it doesn't matter in one way shape or form. But when he attends an all black church with a racist minister and then throws his white grandmother into the mix, then it apparently matters to him.

**EnglishPaul** · 05-19-2008, 05:29 PM

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Originally Posted by EnglishPaul

"It doesn't matter"

Think I messed up the lyric. Should have been "It don't matter". Although perhaps that only applies to Michael Jackson's baby.

Bry, colour probably doesn't matter to Obama if he can attend a black church and have a white grandmother. But I suppose he does see that his racial integration can bolster his popularity. And if you suppose that someone can only be black or white; if you see it as a black and white issue (so to speak), then you devalue lots of interracial families. In fact is that thinking not aligned with ideas of apartheid?

yustr · 05-19-2008, 07:27 PM

His blackness or his whiteness only matters to two groups of people: racist whites and racist blacks. It's too bad that there are so many of both.

~~Wozer~~ · 05-19-2008, 08:37 PM

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Originally Posted by bry623

BUSH SLAM ALERT!

and just what experience did ol' GWB have???

he bought his way into both the governorship of Texas and the White House....

woops, I hate his worthless butt, and I of course don't hate Obama...in fact I rather like Obama for his 'lack of experience' as it indicates that he is most likely not nearly corrupt as Hillary or McCain...

hmmm....yep, Obama has way more experience than GWB did when he was elected, so there's really no comparison..

**Chode** · 05-19-2008, 10:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by EnglishPaul

Think I messed up the lyric. Should have been "It don't matter". Although perhaps that only applies to Michael Jackson's baby.

http://www.madblast.com/funny/1495_m...baby-drop.html

**EnglishPaul** · 05-20-2008, 02:48 AM

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Originally Posted by Chode

http://www.madblast.com/funny/1495_m...baby-drop.html

That brightened my day up no end!

05-12-2008, 08:17 AM	#1 (permalink)
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bry623 Manager, The Conversation Pit/Analyst, Security Team Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: NW Territory circa 1787 Posts: 11,692 OS: winxp pro sp2	Re: If We Hired Like We Vote .......then nobody in their right mind would hire a minority with almost no experience. __________________ "If you aren't a liberal when you're 20, you have no heart. If you aren't a conservative when you are 50, you have no brain"

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mimo2005 Manager, Emeritus Join Date: Oct 2004 Posts: 11,142 OS: xp	Re: If We Hired Like We Vote Our best performing US companies are bringing indians , pakistanis and chinese.... IT business , medecine , enginering, etc,etc,etc. Hummmm,interesting. Our family dentist was born in srilanka. My son doctor is a mix of india and german parents.Talk about minority! The result that matters...LOL Some people are still backward in 2008. __________________ TSF has outgrown its server, again. Please help "Gutta cavat lapidem, non vi sed saepe cadendo" Last edited by mimo2005; 05-12-2008 at 11:56 AM.

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EnglishPaul Still no avatar Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Sheffield Posts: 1,314 OS: XP SP2 Blog Entries: 9	Re: If We Hired Like We Vote Sadly lots of people do get jobs because daddy used to do it. ...They are normally the most incompetent ones!

05-15-2008, 08:09 PM	#7 (permalink)
mikeber Registered User Join Date: Jan 2007 Posts: 75 OS: Win XP	Re: If We Hired Like We Vote Yes, Obama indeed doesn't have minimal credentials for being a presidential candidate. He speaks with pride about his days as youth counselor in Chicago. Is that a qualification? Maybe, but he still didn't serve 2 full years in senate. When a good friend of mine applied for a job at the local supermarket, she was asked what retail experience she brings with her. She said that she worked in office environments for many years and has great recommendations. That wasn't the qualification the hiring manager was looking for. He said - "you are a very nice lady and you may be the best cashier but we cannot take the chance...the risk is too high" Take the chance? What chance? What can happen if they hired her and eventually she was not a good fit? Nada... Obama can end up being a terrific president, but can we take the chance? With Obama, American voters are willing to take the highest possible risk. Why would we do what a supermarket manager wont?

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05-15-2008, 08:36 PM	#9 (permalink)
yustr Asst. Manager, The Conversation Pit Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Connecticut shore Posts: 6,050 OS: XP Pro My System	Re: If We Hired Like We Vote Mike, You're forgetting history...Look back on the presidents of the recent past: Dwight Eisenhower was an Army General with no prior experience. Kennedy was a short term Senator. Johnson - career politician. Nixon - well was Nixon, career politician, nuff said. Ford - career politician. Jimmy Carter was a one term governor. The Republican deity Ronald Reagan was a two term governor (and a pretty crappy one if you ask me) with no other prior experience. Daddy Bush was VP plus a bunch of appointments. Clinton - a governor of a minor state. Bush Jr. gov of a large state. So we've had a mix of career politicians and newbies. Some good. Some not so good. So you really can't make any general risk determination based only on experience alone. But back on topic: way too much attention has been focused on who is supporting the many candidates but little has been focused on who is advising the candidates. I'm much more interested in who is telling McCain that the market is working wrt health care? Or who does BHO go to for economic advice? These are the likely members of their administrations and will have a large influence in policy. The Rev. Wright will not. __________________ If there are lawyers or politicians involved, logic may be a very poor tool for reaching a conclusion.

05-19-2008, 10:03 AM	#11 (permalink)
bry623 Manager, The Conversation Pit/Analyst, Security Team Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: NW Territory circa 1787 Posts: 11,692 OS: winxp pro sp2	Re: If We Hired Like We Vote Obama's toughest decision is trying to tell the masses if he is black or white. __________________ "If you aren't a liberal when you're 20, you have no heart. If you aren't a conservative when you are 50, you have no brain"

05-19-2008, 01:42 PM	#13 (permalink)
bry623 Manager, The Conversation Pit/Analyst, Security Team Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: NW Territory circa 1787 Posts: 11,692 OS: winxp pro sp2	Re: If We Hired Like We Vote I completely agree that it doesn't matter in one way shape or form. But when he attends an all black church with a racist minister and then throws his white grandmother into the mix, then it apparently matters to him. __________________ "If you aren't a liberal when you're 20, you have no heart. If you aren't a conservative when you are 50, you have no brain"

05-19-2008, 07:27 PM	#15 (permalink)
yustr Asst. Manager, The Conversation Pit Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Connecticut shore Posts: 6,050 OS: XP Pro My System	Re: If We Hired Like We Vote His blackness or his whiteness only matters to two groups of people: racist whites and racist blacks. It's too bad that there are so many of both. __________________ If there are lawyers or politicians involved, logic may be a very poor tool for reaching a conclusion.