I'm at an impase

**Drew1369** · 11-03-2007, 02:35 PM

These WBC (westburo baptist church) people, I mean... uggg its hard to put to words on how much I hate them, but really, is what they are doing protected under the constitution?

To Marine’s Father, Suit Is More Than Money

http://www.nytimes.com/2007/11/02/us...0ab&ei=5087%0A

I mean a jury of their peers found them guilty, and I hate them so much, but obviously my personal feelings don't mean much against the constitution.

BUT could they be over stepping the freedoms by protesting a private function of someone who died?

mimo2005 · 11-03-2007, 02:47 PM

fundamentalism muslim = fundamentalism christian = fundamentalism zionism = fundamentalist Boudhist = ............=..............=..........

I have no sympathy for them ,sorry .

~~Nik00117~~ · 11-03-2007, 02:49 PM

I dare them to ever get within driveable distance from me. I will be blunt and I will be harmful. I think that some kids need to get together 10-11 or so march up to one of their protests and shot the living hell out of them. And I mean pelt them and pelt them and you know if you accidentally kick one or two thats ok.

yustr · 11-03-2007, 03:55 PM

As repulsive and as wacky as their "message" is - it is protected speech. And I agree with their lawyer "...Anyone who wants to go out and protest should be very afraid now.”

The irony is that the Government would have to protect these <TWIBAT>s against our young Nik and his ilk.

**DumberDrummer** · 11-04-2007, 03:46 AM

I want to say good for the courts for awarding the win to the father. The picketing was in very poor taste, and irregardless of your feelings on the matter, you should at least having some <TWIBAT>ing respect for the dead.

This wasn't a criminal case, it was a civil case. There doesn't need to be a crime committed to be sued for a tort such as emotional distress or something else.

There has been a large amount written about tort law and the constitution, the first amendment in particular. Ever wonder why you can be sued for libel or slander? You were just exercising your First Amendment rights, remember? You can't get ARRESTED for libel, but you sure as hell can get sued for it.

EDIT: OK, the more I read about these <TWIBATS> the more I want to stab them all in the face. How can you hold a sign saying this and be smiling?

mimo2005 · 11-04-2007, 05:10 AM

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Westboro_Baptist_Church

Did they talk to god last night to tell us : god hates America .

Extrem religious are a danger for the civilization .

**bruiser** · 11-04-2007, 10:45 AM

These people make fundamentalists look good. They go beyond fundamentalism.

~~Nik00117~~ · 11-06-2007, 03:55 AM

They don't even have a foundation!

cstr20cstr · 11-06-2007, 01:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by yustr

As repulsive and as wacky as their "message" is - it is protected speech.

Funny, hearing that from you.

yustr · 11-06-2007, 08:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by cstr20cstr

Funny, hearing that from you.

Which part? That their message that "soldiers dieing in Iraq is god's punishment for homosexuals" is wacko? Or that it is protected speech? If its the former, I can't be the only one who thinks it's <TWIBAT>. (The soldiers are dieing because Bush sent them there and because Congress is derelict in not getting them out. )

And if its the later, I'm shocked that more conservatives aren't standing up for the 1st Amendment (not really shocked because the Constitution is just an inconvenience anyway).

~~Nik00117~~ · 11-07-2007, 10:39 AM

Um, immedtiae withdraw from Iraq would create a billion different issues.

I think poeple who think that about Iraq fail to understand the ploticial, and military failures such a decision would cause.

Your forgetting, that place is like a bomb, and the big red button is Iraq, we done pressed the button and we are holding it down to keep it from blowing itself and the rest of the region to all high hell.

**EnglishPaul** · 11-13-2007, 01:09 PM

What is the point in a religious faith if it is not fundamental? By definition it underpins your life.

Now what you have that faith in is another matter. And that applies for what consequences your faith brings.
For example if you believe that flying a plane into a building is Allah's will, you will invoke a consequence like the war on terror. That is not to judge either but, for what its worth I think both are very flawed.
If you believe that God kills soldiers because of homosexuality in America, then you have to ask yourself 'was AIDS not a good enough weapon?' Only joking! But if you have such views then you become acountable for your actions and their repercussions.
Even if you accept the right of these people to hold their opinions, for this message to have been given at funerals was at best a poor judgement and at worse callous in the extreme. And as such, bankrupting the church seems a small price to pay. Infact to some extent if the consequences of their callous attacks is that Nik et al. kick 7 bells out of them, then I would struggle to see a problem with that.

11-03-2007, 02:35 PM	#1 (permalink)
Drew1369 Moderator Relaxation Room Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Seattle, WA, USA Posts: 3,428 OS: Win7 Ultimate	I'm at an impase These WBC (westburo baptist church) people, I mean... uggg its hard to put to words on how much I hate them, but really, is what they are doing protected under the constitution? To Marine’s Father, Suit Is More Than Money http://www.nytimes.com/2007/11/02/us...0ab&ei=5087%0A I mean a jury of their peers found them guilty, and I hate them so much, but obviously my personal feelings don't mean much against the constitution. BUT could they be over stepping the freedoms by protesting a private function of someone who died? __________________ We humans have a primal urge to kill because, thanks to natural selection, all the homo sapiens who didn't have a primal urge to kill, were themselves killed. http://obamaclock.org/

11-03-2007, 02:47 PM	#2 (permalink)
mimo2005 Manager, Emeritus Join Date: Oct 2004 Posts: 11,142 OS: xp	Re: I'm at an impase fundamentalism muslim = fundamentalism christian = fundamentalism zionism = fundamentalist Boudhist = ............=..............=.......... I have no sympathy for them ,sorry . __________________ TSF has outgrown its server, again. Please help "Gutta cavat lapidem, non vi sed saepe cadendo"

11-03-2007, 02:49 PM	#3 (permalink)
~~Nik00117~~ Troubled Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Germany Posts: 1,572 OS: XP Pro, Vista Ulimate My System	Re: I'm at an impase I dare them to ever get within driveable distance from me. I will be blunt and I will be harmful. I think that some kids need to get together 10-11 or so march up to one of their protests and shot the living hell out of them. And I mean pelt them and pelt them and you know if you accidentally kick one or two thats ok.

11-03-2007, 03:55 PM	#4 (permalink)
yustr Asst. Manager, The Conversation Pit Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Connecticut shore Posts: 6,049 OS: XP Pro My System	Re: I'm at an impase As repulsive and as wacky as their "message" is - it is protected speech. And I agree with their lawyer "...Anyone who wants to go out and protest should be very afraid now.” The irony is that the Government would have to protect these <TWIBAT>s against our young Nik and his ilk. __________________ If there are lawyers or politicians involved, logic may be a very poor tool for reaching a conclusion.

11-04-2007, 03:46 AM	#5 (permalink)
DumberDrummer Cymru am byth Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Oregon Posts: 5,385 OS: Windows XP Pro SP2 My System	Re: I'm at an impase I want to say good for the courts for awarding the win to the father. The picketing was in very poor taste, and irregardless of your feelings on the matter, you should at least having some <TWIBAT>ing respect for the dead. This wasn't a criminal case, it was a civil case. There doesn't need to be a crime committed to be sued for a tort such as emotional distress or something else. There has been a large amount written about tort law and the constitution, the first amendment in particular. Ever wonder why you can be sued for libel or slander? You were just exercising your First Amendment rights, remember? You can't get ARRESTED for libel, but you sure as hell can get sued for it. EDIT: OK, the more I read about these <TWIBATS> the more I want to stab them all in the face. How can you hold a sign saying this and be smiling? __________________ Living with Louie dog's the only way to stay sane _____________________________________________ ... and with those words so begins my lifetime of longing for the devil's warm embrace Last edited by DumberDrummer; 11-04-2007 at 03:49 AM.

11-04-2007, 05:10 AM	#6 (permalink)
mimo2005 Manager, Emeritus Join Date: Oct 2004 Posts: 11,142 OS: xp	Re: I'm at an impase http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Westboro_Baptist_Church Did they talk to god last night to tell us : god hates America . Extrem religious are a danger for the civilization . __________________ TSF has outgrown its server, again. Please help "Gutta cavat lapidem, non vi sed saepe cadendo" Last edited by mimo2005; 11-04-2007 at 05:13 AM.

11-04-2007, 10:45 AM	#7 (permalink)
bruiser TSF Enthusiast Join Date: Jul 2005 Posts: 1,973 OS: xp	Re: I'm at an impase These people make fundamentalists look good. They go beyond fundamentalism.

11-06-2007, 03:55 AM	#8 (permalink)
~~Nik00117~~ Troubled Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Germany Posts: 1,572 OS: XP Pro, Vista Ulimate My System	Re: I'm at an impase They don't even have a foundation!

11-07-2007, 10:39 AM	#11 (permalink)
~~Nik00117~~ Troubled Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Germany Posts: 1,572 OS: XP Pro, Vista Ulimate My System	Re: I'm at an impase Um, immedtiae withdraw from Iraq would create a billion different issues. I think poeple who think that about Iraq fail to understand the ploticial, and military failures such a decision would cause. Your forgetting, that place is like a bomb, and the big red button is Iraq, we done pressed the button and we are holding it down to keep it from blowing itself and the rest of the region to all high hell.

11-13-2007, 01:09 PM	#12 (permalink)
EnglishPaul Still no avatar Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Sheffield Posts: 1,314 OS: XP SP2 Blog Entries: 9	Re: I'm at an impase What is the point in a religious faith if it is not fundamental? By definition it underpins your life. Now what you have that faith in is another matter. And that applies for what consequences your faith brings. For example if you believe that flying a plane into a building is Allah's will, you will invoke a consequence like the war on terror. That is not to judge either but, for what its worth I think both are very flawed. If you believe that God kills soldiers because of homosexuality in America, then you have to ask yourself 'was AIDS not a good enough weapon?' Only joking! But if you have such views then you become acountable for your actions and their repercussions. Even if you accept the right of these people to hold their opinions, for this message to have been given at funerals was at best a poor judgement and at worse callous in the extreme. And as such, bankrupting the church seems a small price to pay. Infact to some extent if the consequences of their callous attacks is that Nik et al. kick 7 bells out of them, then I would struggle to see a problem with that.