Why are we so blind about what is happing out there!

**Direct Current** · 10-06-2007, 01:11 AM

Why are we so blind that we are allowing terrist to be snunk accross the Mex border by gang groups by the car loads caring AK"S and when congress is being told, there responce is "what do you want us to do about it?" our hands are tied!. That Mia indians may have it right "major changes are going to take place in this world in 2012".

yustr · 10-06-2007, 04:29 AM

DC do you have a source to back up this assertion?

**Direct Current** · 10-06-2007, 08:20 PM

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DC do you have a source to back up this assertion?

Hello yustr; Yes I do, I lesson to the USA christian radio station which was talking about it, Unfortunely I did not catch the womens name that was testifing to the congration floor in referance to it, but then I also watch Csan and was supprise to hear them talking about this same thing. I received a meno from a relitive that suggested this information could be true but before I scream I want to found out who owns Petro gas and Citco gas and are they changing their name to EX-co???? I have though about it a bit but I very rarely watch TV news and many of the News network because I believe they are very biaous in what they say from my own passed experience. I am also a christain evanglist non-demonational taking my preachings fron the Bible(Gods word). But my throughs are being also a disables engineer I have to ask the question? With all the people/Countries with great hate against the US and given you are face with a powerful military might of the US, if you where going to take this country down would it not be from a back door where no one is looking? No man except God knows when time will stop, but forseen prodiction of humans/worldly events can not be enored hence the Mias indains have prodicted a major world event in 2012. Sorry I talk to much But if I told you I saw things like a movie screen in my head and I have seen these same thing some 9 months ago you would think I am crazy, problem is a lot of things in my head have come true. God Bless. Like I say I want to found more prove all this to. I have not fear all this but the chridren who have to be rule by people with no sole.

UrgentDeadlines · 10-09-2007, 12:42 PM

I'm not sure that American media counts as a credible source... ...just an observation from a Brit who regularly writes reports on international relations and trawls through page after page of newspapers, web-pages, etc... The American stuff is usually utter nonsense based on speculation and heresay. It is spectacular and sensationalist which makes for great reading but can rarely be used as a reliable source...

No offence intended

bry623 · 10-10-2007, 08:59 AM

I agree, it is interesting, but at this point it sounds like more right wing hysteria.

**Chode** · 10-10-2007, 08:17 PM

Some fun posts here. Direct Current's story about heavily armed terrorists pouring over the border sounds poorly documented and alarmist. And, frankly, most of the so-called "Christian" media are just shills for the far right. So, I have to agree with Bry to a point, but you really can't deny that the Mexican border is porous, and border enforcement is a joke. The Bush Administration has gotten funds for new Border controls, but really hasn't done anything but give lip service to the plans.

Congress voted money for a fence on the border (poor plan in my book) per Administration urging, but it isn't being built. Bush permits Mexican truckers into the U.S. with no national database in Mexico for keeping tabs on criminal records and traffic violations of Mexican truckers, and no standard for service hours in Mexico. Still, we are assured that Mexican truckers will fully comply with all U.S. safety guidelines. Even though D.O.T. only has the manpower to spot check Mexican trucks. How bad is the discrepancy?

By some estimates, 32,000 inspectors would be needed to check all Mexican trucks crossing the border. Along the entire U.S./Mexico border, there are about 160 State and Federal inspectors in place today. How can the influx of Mexican trucks enhance national security and public safety? How can the Bush Administration claim that it wants to "get tough" with illegal immigration and protect the country from infiltration by terrorists when it has just taken the opposite approach. And in spite of a vote against this plan by a margin of 411-3 in the House of Representatives?

Direct Current is overly credulous, an alarmist, and guilty of muddled thinking, but he may have a valid point.

**Chode** · 10-10-2007, 08:45 PM

Urgent Deadlines, you really do have a point about American media. It isn't always so reliable. What are the journalistic standards of the Washington Post, the Chicago Sun-Times, the New York Times, The New York Post and so on compared to Britain's Page 3 Girls? Sadly lacking in my view.

Of course the BBC doesn't use AP, UP, and Reuters as sources for many of its stories, so they, at least, aren't subject to the errors of U.S. journalism. Rest assured that whenever I want to know who is the reigning Cowslip Queen in Little Midden Heap in the Bog, the British press will always be my most trusted news source. No offense.

UrgentDeadlines · 10-14-2007, 10:29 AM

Oh Chode you are absolutely right, our 'Red-Tops' in my opinion are an absolute disgrace and do a massive diservice to our media by printing complete falsehoods regularly!

And you are right to point out that the Washington Post, the Chicago Sun-Times, the New York Times and The New York Post do print very well written articles. I conceed that I was been a little over-simplistic in the point I was making and the comment 'no offence' did little but to rub salt in a wound I was unneccessarily inflicting! My apologies! I was clearly having a bad day!!!!

Your point about the US-Mexico border situation is very interesting and something we hear very little of abroad. Perhaps you'll agree with me when I say that the real risks to US national security presented by this very under-regulated border are more mundane than 'terrorism' in its many interpretations. Such risks more closely related to illegal immigration and organised crime such as arms and drugs smuggling and human trafficing.

All material evidence on the percieved terrorism networks in the world suggest that, for example, Al-Qeada (I've not checked the preferred common spelling on this one - excuse me) exists today as more ideology than network. Networks to this scale and with this controversy are very difficult to maintain unnoticed, but the message in propaganda spreads far more effectively. Hence why those being arrested all over the world over the past few years seem to have no discernable connections to any groups and only have the intention and not the drive or capability. This also explains the recent failed Glasgow airport attacks and why there haven't been many attacks on allied homesoil for some time.

Thankfully the 'cult of the suicide bomber' is one that appears to be dying-out. Lets hope that when our governments accept international policies that are more excepting of state material possession and political and social opinion outside of our own the backlash agendas of these 'fundamentalists' (of all faiths and politics) will subside.

**EnglishPaul** · 10-14-2007, 02:38 PM

How sad that the thread moved from Mia Indian predictions and the unrefutable wisdom of a christian channel to a discussion of the merits of Anglo-American journalism.
All I wanted to be was slightly sarcastic about religious commentary, but no, now I'm faced with something wholly different.

So, since I am in a contentious mood, and I feel denied on a favourite topic; why are journalists more believable than the word on the street when Journalists are paid to write, and as such have a vested interest, whereas Joe Bloggs (Jane Doe) are not paid and have no such interest?

10-06-2007, 04:29 AM	#2 (permalink)
yustr Asst. Manager, The Conversation Pit Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Connecticut shore Posts: 6,038 OS: XP Pro My System	Re: Why are we so blind about what is happing out there! DC do you have a source to back up this assertion? __________________ If there are lawyers or politicians involved, logic may be a very poor tool for reaching a conclusion.

10-09-2007, 12:42 PM	#4 (permalink)
UrgentDeadlines Registered User Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: UK Posts: 8 OS: Vista	Re: Why are we so blind about what is happing out there! I'm not sure that American media counts as a credible source... ...just an observation from a Brit who regularly writes reports on international relations and trawls through page after page of newspapers, web-pages, etc... The American stuff is usually utter nonsense based on speculation and heresay. It is spectacular and sensationalist which makes for great reading but can rarely be used as a reliable source... No offence intended

10-10-2007, 08:59 AM	#5 (permalink)
bry623 Manager, The Conversation Pit/Analyst, Security Team Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: NW Territory circa 1787 Posts: 11,692 OS: winxp pro sp2	Re: Why are we so blind about what is happing out there! I agree, it is interesting, but at this point it sounds like more right wing hysteria. __________________ "If you aren't a liberal when you're 20, you have no heart. If you aren't a conservative when you are 50, you have no brain"

10-10-2007, 08:17 PM	#6 (permalink)
Chode TSF Enthusiast Join Date: Sep 2006 Posts: 1,280 OS: Windows XP Pro	Re: Why are we so blind about what is happing out there! Some fun posts here. Direct Current's story about heavily armed terrorists pouring over the border sounds poorly documented and alarmist. And, frankly, most of the so-called "Christian" media are just shills for the far right. So, I have to agree with Bry to a point, but you really can't deny that the Mexican border is porous, and border enforcement is a joke. The Bush Administration has gotten funds for new Border controls, but really hasn't done anything but give lip service to the plans. Congress voted money for a fence on the border (poor plan in my book) per Administration urging, but it isn't being built. Bush permits Mexican truckers into the U.S. with no national database in Mexico for keeping tabs on criminal records and traffic violations of Mexican truckers, and no standard for service hours in Mexico. Still, we are assured that Mexican truckers will fully comply with all U.S. safety guidelines. Even though D.O.T. only has the manpower to spot check Mexican trucks. How bad is the discrepancy? By some estimates, 32,000 inspectors would be needed to check all Mexican trucks crossing the border. Along the entire U.S./Mexico border, there are about 160 State and Federal inspectors in place today. How can the influx of Mexican trucks enhance national security and public safety? How can the Bush Administration claim that it wants to "get tough" with illegal immigration and protect the country from infiltration by terrorists when it has just taken the opposite approach. And in spite of a vote against this plan by a margin of 411-3 in the House of Representatives? Direct Current is overly credulous, an alarmist, and guilty of muddled thinking, but he may have a valid point. __________________ Sweet! Last edited by Chode; 10-10-2007 at 08:23 PM.

10-10-2007, 08:45 PM	#7 (permalink)
Chode TSF Enthusiast Join Date: Sep 2006 Posts: 1,280 OS: Windows XP Pro	Re: Why are we so blind about what is happing out there! Urgent Deadlines, you really do have a point about American media. It isn't always so reliable. What are the journalistic standards of the Washington Post, the Chicago Sun-Times, the New York Times, The New York Post and so on compared to Britain's Page 3 Girls? Sadly lacking in my view. Of course the BBC doesn't use AP, UP, and Reuters as sources for many of its stories, so they, at least, aren't subject to the errors of U.S. journalism. Rest assured that whenever I want to know who is the reigning Cowslip Queen in Little Midden Heap in the Bog, the British press will always be my most trusted news source. No offense. __________________ Sweet!

10-14-2007, 10:29 AM	#8 (permalink)
UrgentDeadlines Registered User Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: UK Posts: 8 OS: Vista	Re: Why are we so blind about what is happing out there! Oh Chode you are absolutely right, our 'Red-Tops' in my opinion are an absolute disgrace and do a massive diservice to our media by printing complete falsehoods regularly! And you are right to point out that the Washington Post, the Chicago Sun-Times, the New York Times and The New York Post do print very well written articles. I conceed that I was been a little over-simplistic in the point I was making and the comment 'no offence' did little but to rub salt in a wound I was unneccessarily inflicting! My apologies! I was clearly having a bad day!!!! Your point about the US-Mexico border situation is very interesting and something we hear very little of abroad. Perhaps you'll agree with me when I say that the real risks to US national security presented by this very under-regulated border are more mundane than 'terrorism' in its many interpretations. Such risks more closely related to illegal immigration and organised crime such as arms and drugs smuggling and human trafficing. All material evidence on the percieved terrorism networks in the world suggest that, for example, Al-Qeada (I've not checked the preferred common spelling on this one - excuse me) exists today as more ideology than network. Networks to this scale and with this controversy are very difficult to maintain unnoticed, but the message in propaganda spreads far more effectively. Hence why those being arrested all over the world over the past few years seem to have no discernable connections to any groups and only have the intention and not the drive or capability. This also explains the recent failed Glasgow airport attacks and why there haven't been many attacks on allied homesoil for some time. Thankfully the 'cult of the suicide bomber' is one that appears to be dying-out. Lets hope that when our governments accept international policies that are more excepting of state material possession and political and social opinion outside of our own the backlash agendas of these 'fundamentalists' (of all faiths and politics) will subside.

10-14-2007, 02:38 PM	#9 (permalink)
EnglishPaul Still no avatar Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Sheffield Posts: 1,314 OS: XP SP2 Blog Entries: 9	Re: Why are we so blind about what is happing out there! How sad that the thread moved from Mia Indian predictions and the unrefutable wisdom of a christian channel to a discussion of the merits of Anglo-American journalism. All I wanted to be was slightly sarcastic about religious commentary, but no, now I'm faced with something wholly different. So, since I am in a contentious mood, and I feel denied on a favourite topic; why are journalists more believable than the word on the street when Journalists are paid to write, and as such have a vested interest, whereas Joe Bloggs (Jane Doe) are not paid and have no such interest?