Political Correctness, episode 943,222

cstr20cstr · 10-03-2007, 06:48 PM

Once again, left-wing PC trying to eliminate American culture :
Trying to eliminate traditional US hollidays so as to "not offend" muslims.

http://cbs2chicago.com/local/local_story_271104049.html

http://www.suntimes.com/news/metro/5...lawn28.article

yustr · 10-03-2007, 08:40 PM

Hey cstr, you're barking up the wrong tree. It's not the left that's making the most noise about Halloween:

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The issue of Halloween presses itself annually upon the Christian conscience. Acutely aware of dangers new and old, many Christian parents choose to withdraw their children from the holiday altogether. Others choose to follow a strategic battle plan for engagement with the holiday. Still others have gone further, seeking to convert Halloween into an evangelistic opportunity.
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This fascination with the occult comes as America has been sliding into post-Christian secularism. While the courts remove all theistic references from America's public square, the void is being filled with a pervasive fascination with evil, paganism and new forms of occultism. Source

And in a community that's 30% Arab, accommodation seems reasonable.

**bruiser** · 10-04-2007, 06:49 AM

What about the other 70%? They don't get any accommodation?

cstr20cstr · 10-04-2007, 03:48 PM

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Originally Posted by yustr

Hey cstr, you're barking up the wrong tree. It's not the left that's making the most noise about Halloween:

And in a community that's 30% Arab, accommodation seems reasonable.

Sure there might be some wacko Christians that pull their kids from Holloween festivities; that's not what this is about though.

The left uses political correctness rampantly in schools as an excuse to eliminate traditional hollidays because they "offend" some minority or another. The truth of the matter is the radical left use diversity and sensitivity issues to try eliminate traditional American hollidays and customs.

I wonder if I could ever accuse the leftists of "offending" me with all their PC BS and have them silenced the way they silence others ?

Actually, this is a free country, so they should be able to speak their mind, just as long as they aren't doing it to slowly undermine this democracy.

**Chode** · 10-04-2007, 05:05 PM

Actually, cstr, we radical leftists don't really want to end traditional American holidays. The whole PC thing only exists because it is so much fun to watch conservatives twitch like frog legs in a hot skillet whenever it comes up for discussion. And, by the way, those "some Christian wackos" that don't like the pagan aspects of Halloween include most Southern Baptists.

cstr20cstr · 10-04-2007, 05:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Chode

Actually, cstr, we radical leftists don't really want to end traditional American holidays. The whole PC thing only exists because it is so much fun to watch conservatives twitch like frog legs in a hot skillet whenever it comes up for discussion. And, by the way, those "some Christian wackos" that don't like the pagan aspects of Halloween include most Southern Baptists.

So radical leftists try destroying traditional US holidays and customs as a joke ? oooooooook

I could care less about southern baptists. I'm not a christian.

troy91 · 10-04-2007, 07:12 PM

I don't see anything wrong with accommodating all holidays. If you don't like a holiday, don't celebrate it. Sounds pretty simple to me. There's nothing wrong with mixing different holidays, there should be diversity in schools because it helps people learn about other cultures and lifestyles.

bry623 · 10-05-2007, 10:30 AM

Darn you yustr, I have to agree with you. Our church had a Halloween party with costumes and all that, but some of them thought it was all satanic. They now have a harvest party which is close to paganistic.

cstr20cstr · 10-05-2007, 03:38 PM

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Originally Posted by troy91

I don't see anything wrong with accommodating all holidays. If you don't like a holiday, don't celebrate it. Sounds pretty simple to me. There's nothing wrong with mixing different holidays, there should be diversity in schools because it helps people learn about other cultures and lifestyles.

That's fine with me. As long as it doesn't get out of hand with things like fringe groups wanting alien abduction awareness week, and crap like that.

It's just this PC BS that bugs the hell out of me; it's nothing less than a covert way to erode at freedom of speech and expression.

**Chode** · 10-05-2007, 07:36 PM

Cstr, I just have to ask, if you aren't a Christian, why should you care if us Commie-Pinko-Symps want to destroy our great nation's faith-based holidays? Remember, I said we aren't actually trying to destroy them; the joke is just messing with you. But, since you haven't accepted the Lord Jesus Christ as your savior, and you are therefore going to burn in Hell for eternity, that does take some of the savor out of taunting you.

Bry and yustr, I live deep in the hear of the Bible Belt, and Baptists are a large majority around here. So, the local Baptist churches don't have Halloween parties. They have Fall Festivals for the kids. These are almost identical to traditional Halloween parties, but kids can't wear costumes such as devils, witches, etc. There are still lots of folk around here who are very uncomfortable with the Harry Potter novels as well.

Strange that all the old pagan customs that got included in Christmas tradition don't seem to cause trouble, but many people take the pagan aspects of Halloween far too seriously.

yustr · 10-05-2007, 07:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Chode

Strange that all the old pagan customs that got included in Christmas tradition don't seem to cause trouble, but many people take the pagan aspects of Halloween far too seriously.

All of the Christan holidays are derived from those of other faiths - particularly Pagan. I mean, every human society celebrates the end of winter - yeah, we survived through another one - somehow it just happened to coincide with Christ being crucified and
rising up to heaven (it self a pagan concept). Likewise, its also not coincidental that Christians celebrate the birth of their savior almost exactly on the winter solstice. A time celebrated by Druids too. But don't try to introduce facts into the discussion. After all, the Bible says its so.

cstr20cstr · 10-06-2007, 11:16 AM

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Originally Posted by Chode

Cstr, I just have to ask, if you aren't a Christian, why should you care if us Commie-Pinko-Symps want to destroy our great nation's faith-based holidays? Remember, I said we aren't actually trying to destroy them; the joke is just messing with you. But, since you haven't accepted the Lord Jesus Christ as your savior, and you are therefore going to burn in Hell for eternity, that does take some of the savor out of taunting you.

Not all Republicans are "Christians", I think that's a popular stereotype.
But it doesn't offend me. And I hate fascists as much as I do Communists, so I'd consider myself almost politically neutral.

**Chode** · 10-06-2007, 04:52 PM

If there is a stereotype that being a Republican requires being a member of the Christian Faith, I certainly don't subscribe to it. Even if most Republicans seem to.

Personally, I think that being short-sighted, reactionary, terrified of change, and convinced that only "fundamentalist" views are valid cuts across nearly all faiths. Unfortunately.

10-03-2007, 06:48 PM	#1 (permalink)
cstr20cstr Registered User Join Date: Jul 2004 Posts: 309 OS: xp	Political Correctness, episode 943,222 Once again, left-wing PC trying to eliminate American culture : Trying to eliminate traditional US hollidays so as to "not offend" muslims. http://cbs2chicago.com/local/local_story_271104049.html http://www.suntimes.com/news/metro/5...lawn28.article Last edited by cstr20cstr; 10-03-2007 at 06:57 PM.

10-04-2007, 06:49 AM	#3 (permalink)
bruiser TSF Enthusiast Join Date: Jul 2005 Posts: 1,973 OS: xp	Re: Political Correctness, episode 943,222 What about the other 70%? They don't get any accommodation?

10-04-2007, 05:05 PM	#5 (permalink)
Chode TSF Enthusiast Join Date: Sep 2006 Posts: 1,280 OS: Windows XP Pro	Re: Political Correctness, episode 943,222 Actually, cstr, we radical leftists don't really want to end traditional American holidays. The whole PC thing only exists because it is so much fun to watch conservatives twitch like frog legs in a hot skillet whenever it comes up for discussion. And, by the way, those "some Christian wackos" that don't like the pagan aspects of Halloween include most Southern Baptists. __________________ Sweet!

10-04-2007, 07:12 PM	#7 (permalink)
troy91 Registered User Join Date: Aug 2007 Posts: 29 OS: Windows Vista Home Premium My System	Re: Political Correctness, episode 943,222 I don't see anything wrong with accommodating all holidays. If you don't like a holiday, don't celebrate it. Sounds pretty simple to me. There's nothing wrong with mixing different holidays, there should be diversity in schools because it helps people learn about other cultures and lifestyles.

10-05-2007, 10:30 AM	#8 (permalink)
bry623 Manager, The Conversation Pit/Analyst, Security Team Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: NW Territory circa 1787 Posts: 11,692 OS: winxp pro sp2	Re: Political Correctness, episode 943,222 Darn you yustr, I have to agree with you. Our church had a Halloween party with costumes and all that, but some of them thought it was all satanic. They now have a harvest party which is close to paganistic. __________________ "If you aren't a liberal when you're 20, you have no heart. If you aren't a conservative when you are 50, you have no brain"

10-05-2007, 07:36 PM	#10 (permalink)
Chode TSF Enthusiast Join Date: Sep 2006 Posts: 1,280 OS: Windows XP Pro	Re: Political Correctness, episode 943,222 Cstr, I just have to ask, if you aren't a Christian, why should you care if us Commie-Pinko-Symps want to destroy our great nation's faith-based holidays? Remember, I said we aren't actually trying to destroy them; the joke is just messing with you. But, since you haven't accepted the Lord Jesus Christ as your savior, and you are therefore going to burn in Hell for eternity, that does take some of the savor out of taunting you. Bry and yustr, I live deep in the hear of the Bible Belt, and Baptists are a large majority around here. So, the local Baptist churches don't have Halloween parties. They have Fall Festivals for the kids. These are almost identical to traditional Halloween parties, but kids can't wear costumes such as devils, witches, etc. There are still lots of folk around here who are very uncomfortable with the Harry Potter novels as well. Strange that all the old pagan customs that got included in Christmas tradition don't seem to cause trouble, but many people take the pagan aspects of Halloween far too seriously. __________________ Sweet!

10-06-2007, 04:52 PM	#13 (permalink)
Chode TSF Enthusiast Join Date: Sep 2006 Posts: 1,280 OS: Windows XP Pro	Re: Political Correctness, episode 943,222 If there is a stereotype that being a Republican requires being a member of the Christian Faith, I certainly don't subscribe to it. Even if most Republicans seem to. Personally, I think that being short-sighted, reactionary, terrified of change, and convinced that only "fundamentalist" views are valid cuts across nearly all faiths. Unfortunately. __________________ Sweet!