Bush vetoes CHIP funding

ebackhus · 10-03-2007, 04:59 PM

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/21111931/

Priorities...

**Fox** · 10-03-2007, 05:03 PM

no child left behind my ***

mimo2005 · 10-03-2007, 06:20 PM

A lot people are struggling , if their kids free health insurance gets revoked , that will be really ugly .

Most in Poll Want War Funding Cut
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...100101235.html

cstr20cstr · 10-03-2007, 06:27 PM

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Originally Posted by mimo2005

A lot people are struggling , if their kids free health insurance gets revoked

Socialized medicine is not free. The government pays for it, and who does the government get it's money from ?

mimo2005 · 10-03-2007, 06:32 PM

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Originally Posted by cstr20cstr

Socialized medicine is not free. The government pays for it, and who does the government get it's money from ?

I will answer you in a raw way , instead of wasting money on BS , give the kids a chance to have a decent life .

http://www.truthout.org/docs_2006/100307M.shtml

We need to help kids today to have a bright future .

cstr20cstr · 10-03-2007, 06:53 PM

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Originally Posted by mimo2005

I will answer you in a raw way , instead of wasting money on BS , give the kids a chance to have a decent life .

http://www.truthout.org/docs_2006/100307M.shtml

That's a matter of opinion.

Who had health insurance 100 years ago ?
Who had health insurance 200 years ago ?
Who had health insurance 300 years ago ?
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Were they crying 300 years ago about health insurance ?
Hell, I didn't have health insurance coverage when I was a child, whoop-de-doo.

Besides, Bush didn't veto it because he wanted to get rid of it, he vetoed because the dems were trying to expand it further.

mimo2005 · 10-03-2007, 07:12 PM

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Originally Posted by cstr20cstr

Hell, I didn't have health insurance coverage when I was a child, whoop-de-doo.

If you don't have health insurance and your kid has a disease (leukemia,cancer), what do you do ?

Steal a bank ? good luck

ebackhus · 10-03-2007, 07:37 PM

I'd much prefer that my taxes go towards keeping a child healthy rather than towards killing people.

yustr · 10-03-2007, 08:22 PM

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Originally Posted by cstr20cstr

Socialized medicine ...

there you go confusing the ignorant masses with inflammatory obfuscation. This is NOT socialized medicine. This is government funded health care insurance. The capitalist insurance companies will make plenty of money off of this.

And what's so wrong with socialized medicine? The military seems to do just fine with it.

**1 g0t 0wn3d** · 10-03-2007, 08:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Fox

no child left behind my ***

Really that stuff is so restricting on our education

**ashumann12** · 10-04-2007, 01:56 PM

I personally don't want socialized heathcare, I have access to the VA now but feel there are more in need than I right now, Like our wounded troops. Ask them, they will tell you that the current system is lacking.

cstr20cstr · 10-04-2007, 03:12 PM

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Originally Posted by yustr

And what's so wrong with socialized medicine? The military seems to do just fine with it.

I spent 6 years in the Navy, trust me, military "health care" is a joke.

I also spent 4 years in Italy, with their "wonderful" socialized medicine.
In Italy, most of their hospitals are about 20 years behind in technology, and the people have little say in where they go for doctors, the government does it for them. Then there's the medical drugs the people have to pay for, after paying for them through their back-breaking taxes that were supposed to pay for the drugs to begin with !
If America wants to start cutting health care costs and insurance, they can help by limiting these multi-million dollar frivolous lawsuits. Yea, occasionally there's straight forward mistakes doctors make that a patient should be able to sue for a couple million (and get most of the money themselves, not 40% for lawyer "fees"). But for the most part, lawyers are more than happy to bleed a hospital, doctor, and nurse for any bogus crap they can dig up with their "expert" "unbiased" doctor advisors. And then of course, those multi-million dollar lawsuits get passed onto the patients through higher health care and insurance costs.

cstr20cstr · 10-04-2007, 03:14 PM

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Originally Posted by mimo2005

If you don't have health insurance and your kid has a disease (leukemia,cancer), what do you do ?

Steal a bank ? good luck

Is that what they did 300 years ago when nobody had health insurance ?

**1 g0t 0wn3d** · 10-04-2007, 04:30 PM

Thats what i do when i need my fix lol......jk

**Chode** · 10-04-2007, 04:51 PM

Cstr, all your arguments about why we shouldn't be concerned about the SCHIPS program and children's healthcare are just nonsense. Certainly, there wasn't healthcare insurance 300 years ago. There wasn't indoor plumbing either. So, where do you wee-wee?

Yes, Congress wants to expand coverage, because the majority of Americans and their representatives in both the House and Senate feel that we owe it to our children (who are, after all, the future of our nation) to provide decent healthcare for them, even if their parents can't do it on their own. Spreading the risk is what the whole principle of insurance is about. Do you consider auto insurance, or home owner's insurance "Socialism"? Even if you do, I bet you have both.

Bush's proposal of a $5 billion increase in the program is ludicrous. That won't even maintain the program at its current level, which has seen repeated cuts during his administration as funding for the program has been diverted to "worthier" areas such as tax cuts for the wealthy, and the first war in U.S. history to be financed by reducing taxes.

cstr20cstr · 10-04-2007, 05:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Chode

Bush's proposal of a $5 billion increase in the program is ludicrous. That won't even maintain the program at its current level, which has seen repeated cuts during his administration as funding for the program has been diverted to "worthier" areas such as tax cuts for the wealthy, and the first war in U.S. history to be financed by reducing taxes.

Actually, the tax cuts were across the board, and not "just the wealthy"...

I keep commenting about 300 years ago, because people are spoiled in today's society compared to back then. Now days, thanks to liberals for the most part, people think they're "entitled" to what other people have earned.

mimo2005 · 10-04-2007, 05:44 PM

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Originally Posted by cstr20cstr

Is that what they did 300 years ago when nobody had health insurance ?

300 years ago , the kids would have died with that kind of disease ,today the medecine and other sciences save lives .

troy91 · 10-04-2007, 07:04 PM

I think this shows where the president's priorities are. I'd rather see money going to children's health care than the war in Iraq. In my opinion, there's no excuse why children should be left uninsured. I never thought I'd say this, but I agree with Harry Reid's statement that it was a "heartless veto." Hopefully a compromise will be reached and something like this can pass or override his veto.

**ashumann12** · 10-04-2007, 08:52 PM

Forget all this insurance mess, Just give each family an extra deduction allowance per child to cover the average cost of medial care for that year. That way the famly can spend it on the doctor of their choice. done ... simple

bry623 · 10-05-2007, 10:28 AM

My favorite DEM tagline is "and people will get the same health care choices as congress"

What is that exactly?

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mimo2005 Manager, Emeritus Join Date: Oct 2004 Posts: 11,142 OS: xp	Re: Bush vetoes CHIP funding A lot people are struggling , if their kids free health insurance gets revoked , that will be really ugly . Most in Poll Want War Funding Cut http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...100101235.html __________________ TSF has outgrown its server, again. Please help "Gutta cavat lapidem, non vi sed saepe cadendo" Last edited by mimo2005; 10-03-2007 at 06:24 PM.

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ebackhus Manager, Design Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: SATX Posts: 14,285 OS: WinXP Pro SP3/Windows 7 RTM My System Blog Entries: 28	Re: Bush vetoes CHIP funding I'd much prefer that my taxes go towards keeping a child healthy rather than towards killing people. __________________ ----------------------------- There are no dumb questions, unless a customer is asking them. Help in the fight against cancer and other serious illnesses.

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ashumann12 TSF Enthusiast Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Alabama-usa Posts: 3,945 OS: Vista Ultimate SP1 (64bit) My System Blog Entries: 1	Re: Bush vetoes CHIP funding I personally don't want socialized heathcare, I have access to the VA now but feel there are more in need than I right now, Like our wounded troops. Ask them, they will tell you that the current system is lacking. __________________ Adam Sr.

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Chode TSF Enthusiast Join Date: Sep 2006 Posts: 1,280 OS: Windows XP Pro	Re: Bush vetoes CHIP funding Cstr, all your arguments about why we shouldn't be concerned about the SCHIPS program and children's healthcare are just nonsense. Certainly, there wasn't healthcare insurance 300 years ago. There wasn't indoor plumbing either. So, where do you wee-wee? Yes, Congress wants to expand coverage, because the majority of Americans and their representatives in both the House and Senate feel that we owe it to our children (who are, after all, the future of our nation) to provide decent healthcare for them, even if their parents can't do it on their own. Spreading the risk is what the whole principle of insurance is about. Do you consider auto insurance, or home owner's insurance "Socialism"? Even if you do, I bet you have both. Bush's proposal of a $5 billion increase in the program is ludicrous. That won't even maintain the program at its current level, which has seen repeated cuts during his administration as funding for the program has been diverted to "worthier" areas such as tax cuts for the wealthy, and the first war in U.S. history to be financed by reducing taxes. __________________ Sweet!

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troy91 Registered User Join Date: Aug 2007 Posts: 29 OS: Windows Vista Home Premium My System	Re: Bush vetoes CHIP funding I think this shows where the president's priorities are. I'd rather see money going to children's health care than the war in Iraq. In my opinion, there's no excuse why children should be left uninsured. I never thought I'd say this, but I agree with Harry Reid's statement that it was a "heartless veto." Hopefully a compromise will be reached and something like this can pass or override his veto.

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ashumann12 TSF Enthusiast Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Alabama-usa Posts: 3,945 OS: Vista Ultimate SP1 (64bit) My System Blog Entries: 1	Re: Bush vetoes CHIP funding Forget all this insurance mess, Just give each family an extra deduction allowance per child to cover the average cost of medial care for that year. That way the famly can spend it on the doctor of their choice. done ... simple __________________ Adam Sr. Last edited by ashumann12; 10-04-2007 at 08:58 PM.

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bry623 Manager, The Conversation Pit/Analyst, Security Team Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: NW Territory circa 1787 Posts: 11,692 OS: winxp pro sp2	Re: Bush vetoes CHIP funding My favorite DEM tagline is "and people will get the same health care choices as congress" What is that exactly? __________________ "If you aren't a liberal when you're 20, you have no heart. If you aren't a conservative when you are 50, you have no brain"