Michael Moore's Sicko

mimo2005 · 06-17-2007, 05:41 PM

Sicko, Michael Moore’s new movie about America’s health care system (the one that glorifies the socialized medicine of Cuba) hasn’t even hit theaters yet, but already it’s been leaked to the internet.

crazijoe · 06-18-2007, 08:44 AM

There is nothing wrong with what Michael Moore does and I congratulate him on implementing his first admendment rights. I particularly do not agree with his point of view but then again, If I had his kind of money, I would express my point of view.

This is a free country and we have a choice not to watch his movies.

Don't trust anyone before the revolution.

**40sondacurb** · 06-18-2007, 08:52 AM

Agree with him or not he is a great film maker. After watching a few bad documentaries you realize that he does have a knack for getting his point across in a convincing manner while making you care about even the minutia of the issue.

I watched a movie called the Take a while back. Great subject matter but the little commies who made the film had scenes in the begging that should have been at the end and visa versa. The narration was horrible... it was just a mess.

~~Nik00117~~ · 06-18-2007, 01:47 PM

My response of if Mr. Moore were to pass away I would have a difficult time not having a party to celebrate the occasion.

Been asked by admin staff to not say suchs things, however lieing isn't in my blood.

**40sondacurb** · 06-18-2007, 02:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nik00117

My response of if Mr. Moore were to pass away I would have a difficult time not having a party to celebrate the occasion.

Been asked by admin staff to not say suchs things, however lieing isn't in my blood.

And death threats aren't healthy for you. At least not when said in a place where they become public record like say, I don't know umm... a forum!

The above is ok, but more than that and modding becomes a benefit to you, trust me.

**Spatcher** · 06-20-2007, 02:39 PM

Hey Mimo that Google Vid link is dead........

**Drew1369** · 06-20-2007, 04:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 40sondacurb

Agree with him or not he is a great film maker. After watching a few bad documentaries you realize that he does have a knack for getting his point across in a convincing manner while making you care about even the minutia of the issue.

I watched a movie called the Take a while back. Great subject matter but the little commies who made the film had scenes in the begging that should have been at the end and visa versa. The narration was horrible... it was just a mess.

His point... he never goes beyond his own nose... he's in it for the money, and laughing his way to the bank.

His points are far from convincing.

**40sondacurb** · 06-20-2007, 06:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Drew1369

His point... he never goes beyond his own nose... he's in it for the money, and laughing his way to the bank.

His points are far from convincing.

on the contrary, I think he uses logical fallacies and emotional appeals very well. I mean taking 9/11 rescuers to Cuba to get treatment, how does he come up with this stuff.

mimo2005 · 06-24-2007, 01:49 PM

NPR takes a closer look at Michael Moore's SiCKO

http://www.npr.org/templates/story/s...1285514&ps=bb2

~~Wozer~~ · 06-24-2007, 03:02 PM

on the subject of American health care...it really needs to be socialized for one reason in particular...as it stands, because of the supposed great amount of $ to be earned here we are pulling qualified health care professionals out of their native countries (where they are sorely needed) to here on the dreamed for promise of more monies...rather like stealing candy from babies...

you people ever notice how many advertisements there are about 'you really need health insurance"??...say what?..if we NEED it so much, the provide it for all fairly and equally!!!!! I mean really, as it stands now an illegal alien will get better care than I would if I ever had to go to a hospital...

and think upon this: health insurance is the healthy taking care of the weak...you get shoved into 'pools' of people and the cost of your coverage is based upon said 'pool'....

final thought: the present 'system' has a middleman...you know, that d00d who is trying to buy his next yacht trimmed with pomelle bubinga....

yustr · 06-24-2007, 08:15 PM

You'll undoubtedly hear we can't have government run health care because people will have to wait to see a doctor....fact: my MIL needed to see a kidney specialist..first available appointment...3 1/2 months. Great system we have now...

bry623 · 06-25-2007, 01:37 PM

And even the right wing guy is starting to turn on the current system. I can never get ahead because of all of these stupid medical bills. So, let's see something different for a change, why not?

**TheBruce1** · 06-25-2007, 02:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 40sondacurb

on the contrary, I think he uses logical fallacies and emotional appeals very well. I mean taking 9/11 rescuers to Cuba to get treatment, how does he come up with this stuff.

He asked people to e-mail him with their stories of HMO`s,you have to see the bit about Cuba,very touching.

**40sondacurb** · 06-29-2007, 06:14 PM

Hey I'm with the guy on this one, but if he ever did a movie on an issue I was against I doubt I would be too pleased with him using the same tricks and ploys he used to convince people in his last film.

mimo2005 · 07-04-2007, 02:58 PM

Michael Moore discusses the internet leak of "SiCKO"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hyKpg9zjXeI

**bruiser** · 07-05-2007, 07:06 AM

Another view of the Brits national health care system.

http://www.fightingdiseases.org/main..._id=1183545309

mimo2005 · 07-06-2007, 06:22 PM

Leaked memo of BlueCross executives going crazy over Michael Moore's "Sicko"

http://www.michaelmoore.com/sicko/ne...le.php?id=9996

**Drew1369** · 07-06-2007, 11:21 PM

Interesting memo...

mimo2005 · 07-10-2007, 08:26 AM

Michael Moore Vs. CNN

video 1 : The cnn report + short interview
http://en.sevenload.com/videos/5yUshJ2/moore-gupta

video 2 : no cnn report but longer interview inside cnn studio :

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ekpyD43JTZE

stupidnewbie · 07-10-2007, 09:37 AM

Moore handled this film a lot better than his previous ones, cutting out the confrontations and keeping the self-aggrandizement to a minimum (with one or two exceptions: the bit where he paid the health costs of the leader of one of the we-hate-moore websites was a bit crass, but it drove the point home).

According to the World Health Organization, the UK spends $2560 per capita (8.1% GDP) on healthcare. The US spends $6096 (15.4% GDP). This is in spite of around 1/6 of their entire population being without coverage. We also live slightly longer and have a lower infant mortality rate. You will find similar results comparing Canada, Japan and pretty much all of Western Europe to America.

Waiting lists are the only advantage to the US system. Naturally, having to pay large sums for treatment will make you think twice about seeing your doctor, and so reduce waiting lists, but this can result in neglecting to check for things that, further down the line, will not only be far more expensive, but life threatening.

Of course, if the time you wait for non-critical treatment is your main priority, we still have the option of going private in the UK.

06-17-2007, 05:41 PM	#1 (permalink)
mimo2005 Manager, Emeritus Join Date: Oct 2004 Posts: 11,142 OS: xp	Michael Moore's Sicko Sicko, Michael Moore’s new movie about America’s health care system (the one that glorifies the socialized medicine of Cuba) hasn’t even hit theaters yet, but already it’s been leaked to the internet. __________________ TSF has outgrown its server, again. Please help "Gutta cavat lapidem, non vi sed saepe cadendo" Last edited by yustr; 06-25-2007 at 12:00 PM. Reason: restared thread

06-18-2007, 08:44 AM	#2 (permalink)
crazijoe Registered User Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Omaha, The Center of the Universe Posts: 7,632 OS: WinXP, Win2K3 My System	Re: Michael Moore's Sicko There is nothing wrong with what Michael Moore does and I congratulate him on implementing his first admendment rights. I particularly do not agree with his point of view but then again, If I had his kind of money, I would express my point of view. This is a free country and we have a choice not to watch his movies. Don't trust anyone before the revolution. __________________ Microsoft MCSA + Messaging, MVP, A+, Network+ http://i16.photobucket.com/albums/b3...other/Help.jpg Do you want a real Republican? HDD diagnostic tools / HDD data recovery software

06-18-2007, 08:52 AM	#3 (permalink)
40sondacurb Don't be a menace Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 6,285 OS: Vista sp2	Re: Michael Moore's Sicko Agree with him or not he is a great film maker. After watching a few bad documentaries you realize that he does have a knack for getting his point across in a convincing manner while making you care about even the minutia of the issue. I watched a movie called the Take a while back. Great subject matter but the little commies who made the film had scenes in the begging that should have been at the end and visa versa. The narration was horrible... it was just a mess. __________________ Donate to keep the forum running Last edited by 40sondacurb; 06-18-2007 at 08:56 AM.

06-18-2007, 01:47 PM	#4 (permalink)
~~Nik00117~~ Troubled Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Germany Posts: 1,572 OS: XP Pro, Vista Ulimate My System	Re: Michael Moore's Sicko My response of if Mr. Moore were to pass away I would have a difficult time not having a party to celebrate the occasion. Been asked by admin staff to not say suchs things, however lieing isn't in my blood.

06-20-2007, 02:39 PM	#6 (permalink)
Spatcher Henry Join Date: Apr 2005 Posts: 3,484 OS: Mac OSX	Re: Michael Moore's Sicko Hey Mimo that Google Vid link is dead........ __________________ JohnThePilot: Cenedl heb iaith, cenedl heb galon (a nation without a language is a nation without a heart) John Butler Trio: Go take a step outside, see what's shakin' in the real world - Good Excuse Paul Kelly: Just add a dollop of tomato sauce for sweetness and that extra tang - How to Make Gravy

06-24-2007, 01:49 PM	#9 (permalink)
mimo2005 Manager, Emeritus Join Date: Oct 2004 Posts: 11,142 OS: xp	Re: Michael Moore's Sicko NPR takes a closer look at Michael Moore's SiCKO http://www.npr.org/templates/story/s...1285514&ps=bb2 __________________ TSF has outgrown its server, again. Please help "Gutta cavat lapidem, non vi sed saepe cadendo"

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~~Wozer~~ Troubled Join Date: Oct 2004 Posts: 1,038 OS: 2kpro/XP pro/MCE	Re: Michael Moore's Sicko on the subject of American health care...it really needs to be socialized for one reason in particular...as it stands, because of the supposed great amount of $ to be earned here we are pulling qualified health care professionals out of their native countries (where they are sorely needed) to here on the dreamed for promise of more monies...rather like stealing candy from babies... you people ever notice how many advertisements there are about 'you really need health insurance"??...say what?..if we NEED it so much, the provide it for all fairly and equally!!!!! I mean really, as it stands now an illegal alien will get better care than I would if I ever had to go to a hospital... and think upon this: health insurance is the healthy taking care of the weak...you get shoved into 'pools' of people and the cost of your coverage is based upon said 'pool'.... final thought: the present 'system' has a middleman...you know, that d00d who is trying to buy his next yacht trimmed with pomelle bubinga....

06-24-2007, 08:15 PM	#11 (permalink)
yustr Asst. Manager, The Conversation Pit Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Connecticut shore Posts: 6,049 OS: XP Pro My System	Re: Michael Moore's Sicko You'll undoubtedly hear we can't have government run health care because people will have to wait to see a doctor....fact: my MIL needed to see a kidney specialist..first available appointment...3 1/2 months. Great system we have now... __________________ If there are lawyers or politicians involved, logic may be a very poor tool for reaching a conclusion.

06-25-2007, 01:37 PM	#12 (permalink)
bry623 Manager, The Conversation Pit/Analyst, Security Team Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: NW Territory circa 1787 Posts: 11,692 OS: winxp pro sp2	Re: Michael Moore's Sicko And even the right wing guy is starting to turn on the current system. I can never get ahead because of all of these stupid medical bills. So, let's see something different for a change, why not? __________________ "If you aren't a liberal when you're 20, you have no heart. If you aren't a conservative when you are 50, you have no brain"

06-29-2007, 06:14 PM	#14 (permalink)
40sondacurb Don't be a menace Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 6,285 OS: Vista sp2	Re: Michael Moore's Sicko Hey I'm with the guy on this one, but if he ever did a movie on an issue I was against I doubt I would be too pleased with him using the same tricks and ploys he used to convince people in his last film. __________________ Donate to keep the forum running

07-04-2007, 02:58 PM	#15 (permalink)
mimo2005 Manager, Emeritus Join Date: Oct 2004 Posts: 11,142 OS: xp	Re: Michael Moore's Sicko Michael Moore discusses the internet leak of "SiCKO" http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hyKpg9zjXeI __________________ TSF has outgrown its server, again. Please help "Gutta cavat lapidem, non vi sed saepe cadendo"

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bruiser TSF Enthusiast Join Date: Jul 2005 Posts: 1,973 OS: xp	Re: Michael Moore's Sicko Another view of the Brits national health care system. http://www.fightingdiseases.org/main..._id=1183545309

07-06-2007, 06:22 PM	#17 (permalink)
mimo2005 Manager, Emeritus Join Date: Oct 2004 Posts: 11,142 OS: xp	Re: Michael Moore's Sicko Leaked memo of BlueCross executives going crazy over Michael Moore's "Sicko" http://www.michaelmoore.com/sicko/ne...le.php?id=9996 __________________ TSF has outgrown its server, again. Please help "Gutta cavat lapidem, non vi sed saepe cadendo"

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Drew1369 Moderator Relaxation Room Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Seattle, WA, USA Posts: 3,425 OS: Win7 Ultimate	Re: Michael Moore's Sicko Interesting memo... __________________ We humans have a primal urge to kill because, thanks to natural selection, all the homo sapiens who didn't have a primal urge to kill, were themselves killed. http://obamaclock.org/

07-10-2007, 08:26 AM	#19 (permalink)
mimo2005 Manager, Emeritus Join Date: Oct 2004 Posts: 11,142 OS: xp	Re: Michael Moore's Sicko Michael Moore Vs. CNN video 1 : The cnn report + short interview http://en.sevenload.com/videos/5yUshJ2/moore-gupta video 2 : no cnn report but longer interview inside cnn studio : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ekpyD43JTZE __________________ TSF has outgrown its server, again. Please help "Gutta cavat lapidem, non vi sed saepe cadendo" Last edited by mimo2005; 07-10-2007 at 08:29 AM.

07-10-2007, 09:37 AM	#20 (permalink)
stupidnewbie Registered User Join Date: Jan 2007 Posts: 7 OS: winxp	Re: Michael Moore's Sicko Moore handled this film a lot better than his previous ones, cutting out the confrontations and keeping the self-aggrandizement to a minimum (with one or two exceptions: the bit where he paid the health costs of the leader of one of the we-hate-moore websites was a bit crass, but it drove the point home). According to the World Health Organization, the UK spends $2560 per capita (8.1% GDP) on healthcare. The US spends $6096 (15.4% GDP). This is in spite of around 1/6 of their entire population being without coverage. We also live slightly longer and have a lower infant mortality rate. You will find similar results comparing Canada, Japan and pretty much all of Western Europe to America. Waiting lists are the only advantage to the US system. Naturally, having to pay large sums for treatment will make you think twice about seeing your doctor, and so reduce waiting lists, but this can result in neglecting to check for things that, further down the line, will not only be far more expensive, but life threatening. Of course, if the time you wait for non-critical treatment is your main priority, we still have the option of going private in the UK.