You are being imprisoned by stealth

mimo2005 · 05-01-2007, 06:24 AM

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The problem is, they will outlaw almost everything while enforcing very little. Imprisonment by stealth. People will not know they are encircled until it is too late - like putting in all these very deep, robust fence-posts with no fence panels. All seems open. One day you will wake up and the panels are in, you are trapped and they can decide what law they wish to impose to nail whomsoever they desire.

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bry623 · 05-01-2007, 06:57 AM

If you have done nothing wrong then you have nothing to fear.

yustr · 05-01-2007, 08:11 AM

Baaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaahhhhh !!! Baaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaahhhhhh !!!

cstr20cstr · 05-01-2007, 03:58 PM

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Originally Posted by bry623

If you have done nothing wrong then you have nothing to fear.

If political correctness continues on the path it's been going, eventually you could be jailed (or perhaps executed ?) for being an "insensitive" republican.

**40sondacurb** · 05-01-2007, 08:03 PM

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Originally Posted by cstr20cstr

If political correctness continues on the path it's been going, eventually you could be jailed (or perhaps executed ?) for being an "insensitive" republican.

It must suck to live in such debilitating fear.

cstr20cstr · 05-02-2007, 09:58 AM

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Originally Posted by 40sondacurb

It must suck to live in such debilitating fear.

Your sarcasm sounds empathetic to PC persecution, am I wrong ?

Also, I was talking about the future, not the present.

Today, you could lose your job, get kicked out of school, or sent to "sensitivity training classes" for not being PC; in the future it might get worse as I said.

Zazula · 05-02-2007, 11:26 AM

Political correctness is inherently incorrect. It's just an official term for hypocrisy. So, no worries; at the end of the day, ANYONE can excel at hypocrisy, regardless of their political affiliations.

**40sondacurb** · 05-02-2007, 01:18 PM

The anti PC movement, to me, seems to use more reverse-psychology than logic and sense; that's the only thing I have against it.

~~Nik00117~~ · 05-02-2007, 01:31 PM

I was once told to be more PC

I told them to shove it

They said that wasn't nice

I said it wasn't meant to be nice

(international debate conference)

I hate being PC and refuse to do so.

cstr20cstr · 05-02-2007, 01:53 PM

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Originally Posted by 40sondacurb

The anti PC movement, to me, seems to use more reverse-psychology than logic and sense; that's the only thing I have against it.

Have an example of this "reverse psychology" ?

**40sondacurb** · 05-02-2007, 01:59 PM

Like how people want to say ni**er just because it's not PC to say ni**ger.

~~Nik00117~~ · 05-02-2007, 02:01 PM

I'm not like that, although when someone says somethinga bout me not being PC or something I generally reply with something along the lines of

I don't care, I don't give a ****, I don't give a rats ***, PC is for fags etc something generally offensive and as un PC as possible.

Generally it gets my point conveyed of (I really don't care)

BTW if I get warned for saying PC is for <TWIBAT>, for not being PC I won't say sorry.

Zazula · 05-02-2007, 02:35 PM

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Originally Posted by 40sondacurb

The anti PC movement, to me, seems to use more reverse-psychology than logic and sense; that's the only thing I have against it.

I wasn't implying I participate in any kind of anti-PC movement; I simply stated that I feel PC focuses more in superficial and norm-related things and far less on the essence at the core of each issue. I believe PC leaves (purposefully or not, I don't care) a vast margin for hypocrisy and pharisaism, and I detest this trait of PC (and its possible exploitation by PC-adherents). If one purposefully goes to the other extreme and employs anti-PC practices and terms just for the sheer pleasure of being an obvious anti-PCer, then 40s you're right that it's as nonsensical as blindly (or naïvely) being a PCer. Anyone who is more interested in how to say something than what is important to say in the first place, then he delusively sees the tree but not the forest.

**40sondacurb** · 05-02-2007, 02:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Zazula

I wasn't implying I participate in any kind of anti-PC movement; I simply stated that I feel PC focuses more in superficial and norm-related things and far less on the essence at the core of each issue. I believe PC leaves (purposefully or not, I don't care) a vast margin for hypocrisy and pharisaism, and I detest this trait of PC (and its possible exploitation by PC-adherents). If one purposefully goes to the other extreme and employs anti-PC practices and terms just for the sheer pleasure of being an obvious anti-PCer, then 40s you're right that it's as nonsensical as blindly (or naïvely) being a PCer. Anyone who is more interested in how to say something than what is important to say in the first place, then he delusively sees the tree but not the forest.

I wasn't calling you out. I was indeed talking about one who purposefully goes to the other extreme and employs anti-PC practices and terms just for the sheer pleasure of being an obvious anti-PCer and I agree with you on this actually. Well said.

Zazula · 05-02-2007, 03:01 PM

No, no, 40s, I didn't feel being called out - I simply wanted to grab the opportunity and state my view on PC/anti-PC practices.

yustr · 05-02-2007, 03:50 PM

To PC or not to PC, is NOT the question...back on topic please.

It seems to me that given the general acceptance (or is it indifference?) of how we're dealing with so called "enemy combatants" including some Americans captured in America, it's not very much of a logical leap to say that one more attack on US soil and marshal law would be forthcoming. Then even bry would have to watch out because it wouldn't be him defining what's right and what's wrong. This Leftist certainly would - if for nothing else, what I've written in this forum.

If you're not at least a little worried you're not paying attention.

**40sondacurb** · 05-02-2007, 04:57 PM

Maybe that's why they're covering stuff up now http://www.techsupportforum.com/conv...ut-4-29-a.html

cstr20cstr · 05-02-2007, 06:45 PM

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Originally Posted by 40sondacurb

Like how people want to say ni**er just because it's not PC to say ni**ger.

I don't know if I've heard of many cases (personally) of people wanting to deliberately say something non-PC just to be non-PC.

I'm not saying you're wrong; just that I simply haven't heard of that much. Perhaps the only place I've heard of some deliberate non-PC talk is in "South Park", but I think they primarily do it just for poking fun at the PC movement.

bry623 · 05-03-2007, 06:38 AM

Back on topic again.

I don't think Marshall Law will ever be a reality.

**bruiser** · 05-03-2007, 06:58 AM

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Originally Posted by bry623

Back on topic again.

I don't think Marshall Law will ever be a reality.

I agree, but what about martial law?

05-01-2007, 06:57 AM	#2 (permalink)
bry623 Manager, The Conversation Pit/Analyst, Security Team Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: NW Territory circa 1787 Posts: 11,692 OS: winxp pro sp2	Re: You are being imprisoned by stealth If you have done nothing wrong then you have nothing to fear. __________________ "If you aren't a liberal when you're 20, you have no heart. If you aren't a conservative when you are 50, you have no brain"

05-01-2007, 08:11 AM	#3 (permalink)
yustr Asst. Manager, The Conversation Pit Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Connecticut shore Posts: 6,052 OS: XP Pro My System	Re: You are being imprisoned by stealth Baaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaahhhhh !!! Baaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaahhhhhh !!! __________________ If there are lawyers or politicians involved, logic may be a very poor tool for reaching a conclusion.

05-02-2007, 11:26 AM	#7 (permalink)
Zazula Manager Emeritus, I'm blond, James Blond Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Athens, Greece Posts: 7,667 OS: Win XP Pro SP2	Re: You are being imprisoned by stealth Political correctness is inherently incorrect. It's just an official term for hypocrisy. So, no worries; at the end of the day, ANYONE can excel at hypocrisy, regardless of their political affiliations. __________________ "Time is the wisest because it discovers everything" Thales of Miletus (ca.624BC-ca.546BC) "Everything flows, nothing stands still." Heraclitus of Ephesus (ca.535BC-475BC) "One thing I know, that I know nothing" Socrates of Athens (ca.470BC–399BC)

05-02-2007, 01:18 PM	#8 (permalink)
40sondacurb Don't be a menace Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 6,285 OS: Vista sp2	Re: You are being imprisoned by stealth The anti PC movement, to me, seems to use more reverse-psychology than logic and sense; that's the only thing I have against it. __________________ Donate to keep the forum running

05-02-2007, 01:31 PM	#9 (permalink)
~~Nik00117~~ Troubled Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Germany Posts: 1,572 OS: XP Pro, Vista Ulimate My System	Re: You are being imprisoned by stealth I was once told to be more PC I told them to shove it They said that wasn't nice I said it wasn't meant to be nice (international debate conference) I hate being PC and refuse to do so.

05-02-2007, 01:59 PM	#11 (permalink)
40sondacurb Don't be a menace Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 6,285 OS: Vista sp2	Re: You are being imprisoned by stealth Like how people want to say nier just because it's not PC to say niger. __________________ Donate to keep the forum running Last edited by 40sondacurb; 05-02-2007 at 02:02 PM.

05-02-2007, 02:01 PM	#12 (permalink)
~~Nik00117~~ Troubled Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Germany Posts: 1,572 OS: XP Pro, Vista Ulimate My System	Re: You are being imprisoned by stealth I'm not like that, although when someone says somethinga bout me not being PC or something I generally reply with something along the lines of I don't care, I don't give a **, I don't give a rats , PC is for fags etc something generally offensive and as un PC as possible. Generally it gets my point conveyed of (I really don't care) BTW if I get warned for saying PC is for <TWIBAT>, for not being PC I won't say sorry. Last edited by bry623; 05-02-2007 at 02:15 PM. Reason: language*

05-02-2007, 03:01 PM	#15 (permalink)
Zazula Manager Emeritus, I'm blond, James Blond Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Athens, Greece Posts: 7,667 OS: Win XP Pro SP2	Re: You are being imprisoned by stealth No, no, 40s, I didn't feel being called out - I simply wanted to grab the opportunity and state my view on PC/anti-PC practices. __________________ "Time is the wisest because it discovers everything" Thales of Miletus (ca.624BC-ca.546BC) "Everything flows, nothing stands still." Heraclitus of Ephesus (ca.535BC-475BC) "One thing I know, that I know nothing" Socrates of Athens (ca.470BC–399BC)

05-02-2007, 03:50 PM	#16 (permalink)
yustr Asst. Manager, The Conversation Pit Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Connecticut shore Posts: 6,052 OS: XP Pro My System	Re: You are being imprisoned by stealth To PC or not to PC, is NOT the question...back on topic please. It seems to me that given the general acceptance (or is it indifference?) of how we're dealing with so called "enemy combatants" including some Americans captured in America, it's not very much of a logical leap to say that one more attack on US soil and marshal law would be forthcoming. Then even bry would have to watch out because it wouldn't be him defining what's right and what's wrong. This Leftist certainly would - if for nothing else, what I've written in this forum. If you're not at least a little worried you're not paying attention. __________________ If there are lawyers or politicians involved, logic may be a very poor tool for reaching a conclusion.

05-02-2007, 04:57 PM	#17 (permalink)
40sondacurb Don't be a menace Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 6,285 OS: Vista sp2	Re: You are being imprisoned by stealth Maybe that's why they're covering stuff up now http://www.techsupportforum.com/conv...ut-4-29-a.html __________________ Donate to keep the forum running

05-03-2007, 06:38 AM	#19 (permalink)
bry623 Manager, The Conversation Pit/Analyst, Security Team Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: NW Territory circa 1787 Posts: 11,692 OS: winxp pro sp2	Re: You are being imprisoned by stealth Back on topic again. I don't think Marshall Law will ever be a reality. __________________ "If you aren't a liberal when you're 20, you have no heart. If you aren't a conservative when you are 50, you have no brain"