mimo2005

Italy to seek global ban on capital punishment, has apparently never heard of Texas


http://www.cnn.com/2007/WORLD/europe...eut/index.html

Girderman

We should require all Pizza restaurants use guillotines to chop their pizzas in response.

Joefireline

Capital punishment is pointless... No need for it, the person isn't punished, they get off, and never learn anything. I wouldn't call it punishment.

Girderman

Capitol Punishment is a terrorist tactic designed to cow a governed populace into submission, and it always has been. It's just one of many ways in which your government can kill you. They just want you to know that. And think about it occasionally. So don't get any ideas. Or do anything that might get you into some trouble. You never know what might happen.

Are you really SURE you have those political beliefs ? REALLY sure ? You might want to think twice about that. Who knows what could happen.

forcifer

it all really depends on religious beliefs. i know that you are atheist, and you dont believe in heaven, hell, etc. that is your belief and i will not challenge it. but if you do believe in heaven, hell, then you would probably go to hell and that sounds alot worse then prison

yustr

Logic is missing forc: if that's sufficient rationalization then the opposite must also be true: kill all babies because heaven sounds a lot better than life on earth.

I don't think its a religious question at all. The death of Saddam or anyone else for that matter, may make the living feel better - for a short time - but does nothing to make the murder's victims return. It's got to be a hollow feeling. Yes there's some closure but the emptyness has to return quickly.

Chode

There are lots of arguments against capital punishment, but most of them revolve around issues such as "the state has no right to kill anyone" or "it is better that 100 killers should go free than 1 innocent man should die" nonsense.

Face it, if someone has been convicted of murder, where is it written that the state is obligated to provide food clothing and shelter for said individual and to protect him from fellow inmates? Is the state required to protect other prisoners from the killer?

I'd argue that people like John Gacy and Henry Lucas should die as expediently as possible. Capital punishment isn't about deterrence, it is about carrying out the trash.

Girderman, any totalitarian regime worth it salt has far better means of keeping the populace in control than executions. Threats, intimidation, and torture have proven more effective.

Joefireline

Chode, that isn't the agruements against capital punishment, you have completely twisted them.
"it is better that 100 killers should go free than 1 innocent man should die"
No, the killers are being put in prison, actully being punished, and it is more than 1/100 people that are innocent.

How would you like it, if 50 people are executed for murder, but one of them is your dad, and your dad is actully innocent? Would you be loving those deaths then? Would you be cheering at those deaths then?

You see, that is a true agruement against it.
Sorry if that sounds mean, and that I am trying to be nasty to you, I'm not. I'm just putting across the point.

Weren't you always told, that if someone is saying bad things to you, that you shouldn't do the same back, because that would make you just as bad?

There is no need for capital punishment, and it doesn't work.
The last person to be excuted in our country, turned out to be innocent. We haven't had capital punishment for a long time.

40sondacurb

It would be better, but that would be a sin

I think that if you kill someone you've decided you don't want to be part of a civilized society anymore and therefore should be removed from it entirely, and not simply monitored by the state the rest of your days.

bry623

When Italy wants to rid the world of capital punishement, what they mean is they want the U.S. to drop it. The U.S. is ( I think) the only western country to have the death penalty. Most of the people being put to death in the world have probably never heard of Italy or CNN.

The death penalty is a necessary evil. It does have some deterrence. It cuts out the cancer, even if you have to cut a few good cells.

But I do have a problem with the death penalty. While I think appeals are all good and well, feeding, clothing, and housing a worthless piece of excrement is costly. Give them so many years of appeals and then cut them loose.

I am not out to seek revenge. Vengence is mine sayeth the Lord, I am merely out to arrange it.

Joefireline

Just a quick question, most of you people in America are religious, right? So, I don't really understand why you are for it. Aren't you told you shall not kill? And don't you believe that life is made by 'God', it decides when you live, and when you die? And that you aren't suppost to 'play 'God''?

40sondacurb

The Jews would all be dead right not if they weren't allowed to kill, you're not allowed to murder.

bry623

Again, I just want to arrange the meeting. And yet life is so precious that your country will allow murderous scum to continue their lives without so much as a care, but it will condone the slaughter of unborn children. (but that is an old topic from another thread). Kind of ironic?

Joefireline

Or just a load of rubbish. You best not be trying to imply what I think you are.
Murders are put away, for a long time, and they do their time, and they try to change these people - most of which do. If not change life inprisonment.
Condone the slaughter of unborn children? Abbortion. It is fair enough in most circumstances.
You would expect a girl to give birth when she has been raped?
Only what's best is done, which may be abbortion.

What's the strange thing about capital punishment, for a religious person, you like to just chnage some of the rules which you are told by your religion, just to suit you best. Which is also what all these terrorist do, change their religion slightly, and use it to become a terrorist. It just shows they aren't trully religious...

mimo2005

yesterday , another inmate was executed .



http://www.dallasnews.com/sharedcont...e.245809f.html

bry623

This is not the abortion thread and I never claimed to be a bible thumper.

40sondacurb

I see your point though, life is precious enough not to take from those who have earned a revocation, but not precious enough to grant an innocent child who has no choice in the matter unlike the inmate.

(Still believe abortion is between a woman her doctor and God, but that doesn't make it wrong in most cases)

Drew1369

Have you ever experienced it?

yustr

Murder? No. But I have lost loved ones to suicide, disease and a drunk driver (who many, me included, would say is just as bad as a axe murderer) and while I understand that it's not exactly the same, I know that the feelings of emptyness in my heart don't go away just because my brain says it there's a reason for them being dead.