jeffdrummer

http://www.washtimes.com/national/20...2448-1240r.htm

Let a bunch of illegals who shouldn't be here stay here. Send 'em all back to their countries and let them apply to come into the United States, just like I did. These Democrats must be mentally difficient, and the Republicans who support the bill are too. Why not follow the will of the American populace?

Maybe Gywneth Paltrow was right when she said Americans aren't intelligent, look at the idiots we voted in.

yustr

There's a logical fallacy in the Right-wing thinking. On one hand they will shout how great the economy is doing - Bush's tax cuts and all. DJIA at an all time high. Corporate profits up – some to truly astronomical levels ($17B for Exxon-Mobile). Low inflation and unemployment. Isn't life great!!!!

But on the other hand, we've got to get rid of these illegals who are dragging down the country!

If there really are 20 million illegal immigrants living here, is it not logical that they are contributing to the “success” noted above? After all 20 million represents nearly 10% of the entire population. Surely you're not suggesting that they do not make a significant contribution. How can they not?

And if they are contributing to the “success” where is the logic in throwing them out? How do you replace their contribution to the economy over night?

As the sign over Mr. Watson's desk at IBM said succinctly: THINK

jeffdrummer

They may be contributiing... but the fact is they broke the law. If I break the law I go to jail, they don't just say that because 20,000,000 others did I get off free. They can go back, apply, and then pick all strawberries they want.

They may be contributing, but it would be like saying that when the Exxon Valdez spilled we used the same arguement, they are contributing significantly to the economy, so let it go.

Right wing thinking encourages moral and ethical behavior, left wing thinking encourages "whatever feels right."

yustr

Here's a question that needs to be asked at the start of any debate over immigration: How far back are you willing to go?

My Great-grandfather came over from Poland around the turn of the 20th Century. I'm sure he did not have "papers". Are my kids therefore illegals?

I think I know what your answer will be: and I'll say right now it's racist. The Eurocentrism exhibited in many of these debates (on many issues) is so obvious as to go unmentioned. History is written by those in charge of the present.

So where's your line? 1990? One generation? How about 1890 or 6 generations?

Your dismissal of my economic argument is also inconsistent with another typical right-wing position that you’ve stated in this forum: we can’t institute even limited controls on green-house gas emissions because doing so would have a negative effect on the economy. Spewing our industrial garbage into the lungs of our kids and into the atmosphere with potentially dire consequences is not a violation of law only because of who writes the laws…Economic considerations shouldn’t be part of the immigration argument but should be part of the global warming discussion. And by the way, the reason this last Congress failed to do anything about the “immigration problem” had everything to do with economics: one part of the republicans wanted to throw the illegals out but at the same time another part sure wants their cheap labor….

P.S.: Your statement about morals and ethics would be laughable if it weren't so pathetic...shakes head and walks away...

mimo2005

Control illegal immigration or slow it down is good , send back all illegal immigrants in 2 weeks , and our economy will fall in pieces .

jeffdrummer

I am sorry but your great Grandfather was an illegal immigrant. That is a fact. You are not, because the Constition grants citizenship rights to whoever is born here. I believe that the Ammendment is being abused (Mexicans come here to have their kids) but the law is the law.

I am just of the education that America is the best country with the best and smartest people, that is why the INS is so strict about who comes here.

But now we reward people who break the law with citizenship... hmm....

bry623

I am an isolationist at heart. Hide behind the Oceans and our navy. Buils a big ol fence to keep illegals out and treat Canada like a little brother.......... tell them to mind their own nbusiness and stop copying us, ocassioanlly letting them in our room to make them feel like a part of the crowd.

jeffdrummer

Amen! (Or Allah Akbar, or Praise Zod (Sorry if I left out a religion))

If they get invaded our treaties go into effect, and we defend them. But they have to stop relying on us.

Chode

Excellent points, Bry! And the best step one can take toward true Isolationism is to stay off the Internet! No posts on time-wasting forums read by who-knows-who in countrys all over the world.

Chode

And, after a short pause for breath, our hero returns! Jeff, I've said it before, but since I didn't convince you, I'll repeat myself. Yes, many immigrants come to our country and break laws in the process. Mostly, these are people that are desperate, and are desperately eager to contribute to our country. Laws may come and go, but the desire to provide a better life for our families is timeless.

There is a sleazy and cynical segment of our business community that deplores illegals while using them like draft animals to generate profits. If you have a willing horse, flog it another mile. We see the same mentality when corporate managers lament the lack of trained IT professionals in the U.S., while outsourcing and lobbying for relaxed restrictions on Indian and Asian IT personnel.

Jeff, I don't know how you feel, but if I had to risk my life to sneak into Canada to make a living for my kids, it would happen in a heartbeat. You want to come down on people who violate the law, but would you be as harsh on speeders, drunk drivers, and those who run stop signs even if their actions are likely to kill more folk than illegal immigrants?

A-Nick4me

I would be very interested in knowing if the majority of Americans are of that education?