England, Government and the Queen

crazijoe · 08-10-2006, 06:49 AM

I'm not posting this to slam the UK and I have not intention of this thread getting heated. If it does get heated, I would like bry or yustr to shut it down. I don't live in the UK so I don't know much on it's government, laws and the political status of the Queen. I mearly started this thread to further my knowledge of the running of this country since some of it just doesn't make sense. I would like our UK members to state their opinions, their likes and dislikes of what makes this nation "Great".

A couple questions from me,
1. Where does the Queen stand. Is she a active in law making and part of the political process or is she mearly a symbol or a higher figure.

2. Why does the government tax so much. I know that other countries have high taxes but this thread is about the UK.

bry623 · 08-10-2006, 06:52 AM

I don't think I'll need to shut it down. I think the Great stands for something like Greater Britain, the whole island of Brittiania as Ceaser would say.

**TheAtheist** · 08-10-2006, 07:09 AM

apparently, in reply to your question, the queen has the power to veto any law she sees fit but in reality this almost never happens because it just doesnt, i dont think the prime minister would let her. I think the queen doesnt paly much role in british life anymore.

**Joefireline** · 08-10-2006, 07:25 AM

The Queen doesn't have much power, but if say parlament got really out of hand, she would come in. She also opens parlament.
And, she gives big awards out to people who have done really good things.
She also opens up big things. And meets a lot of people...

**TheAtheist** · 08-10-2006, 07:48 AM

But shes still useless in todays society.

mimo2005 · 08-10-2006, 08:00 AM

why is the queen in top 10 most rich of england ?
Does she own banks and businesses?

**Joefireline** · 08-10-2006, 08:03 AM

No,
although she may be rich, she doesn't really have much control of her life.

MoralTerror · 08-10-2006, 08:30 AM

laws aren't passed in parliament until the Queen signs them, but yeah the techmaster is right in that it never really happens for her not to sign. Don't quote me but I don't think it ever has happened.

I'm not sure about her not playing a role in British life anymore though. She does still play IMO a big part. Remember she is 80 years old so she does brill for her age.

She does also pay tax even though she doesn't have to as does Prince Charles and she does give to charities as well.

The term Great Britain was first used by King James VI of Scotland and I of England in the context "King of Great Britain" as opposed to "King of Scotland and England". Although Great Britain now includes Wales and the surrounding islands. United Kingdom includes Northern Ireland.

Taxes are high but then medical care is free. I agree some areas need more money but any organisation or whatever faces financial problems one way or another.

Education is also free and in Scotland this includes Further Education at college. The education system is good and continually improving.

State benefits fall below other European countries but then UK imo have a higher rate of people quite happy to laze around on the dole. For those that do wish to work then the benefits and help from the government can steer you in the right direction. eg new deal designed for over 25's unemployed over 6 months. This scheme offers training courses to gain qualifications and in some cases experience to get into your desired occupation. You may also opt to do Test for trading. While on these schemes you get your regular entitlement plus a little extra. Prospective employers also get weekly payments from the government if they employ a new deal participant.

Test for trading is for people wanting to start their own business but not sure if its viable. You start up and if after 6 months you wish to go ahead with what your doing you sign off, if on the other hand your business didn't do well then what you have earned is counted up and you may need to pay some back. In these cases you remain signing on. You get help with council tax rent school meals prescriptions and possibly some other expenses too.

There's lots of other benefits like one parent allowance, OAP heating allowance etc etc that although may seem a pittance to the recipient count the number of recipients and it amounts to a pretty penny.

Every parent in the country recieves child benefit for children under 16 (18 if still in education) whether the parent works or not.

Every child born after a certain date also recieves a trust fund account I think this is currently £100

And let us not forget our Armed Forces, Police force, Fire Brigade and Ambulances all of which do a fantastic job and risk their own lives every day at work.

**Joefireline** · 08-10-2006, 08:42 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MoralTerror

laws aren't passed in parliament until the Queen signs them, but yeah the techmaster is right in that it never really happens for her not to sign. Don't quote me but I don't think it ever has happened.

I'm not sure about her not playing a role in British life anymore though. She does still play IMO a big part. Remember she is 80 years old so she does brill for her age.

She does also pay tax even though she doesn't have to as does Prince Charles and she does give to charities as well.

The term Great Britain was first used by King James VI of Scotland and I of England in the context "King of Great Britain" as opposed to "King of Scotland and England". Although Great Britain now includes Wales and the surrounding islands. United Kingdom includes Northern Ireland.

Taxes are high but then medical care is free. I agree some areas need more money but any organisation or whatever faces financial problems one way or another.

Education is also free and in Scotland this includes Further Education at college. The education system is good and continually improving.

State benefits fall below other European countries but then UK imo have a higher rate of people quite happy to laze around on the dole. For those that do wish to work then the benefits and help from the government can steer you in the right direction. eg new deal designed for over 25's unemployed over 6 months. This scheme offers training courses to gain qualifications and in some cases experience to get into your desired occupation. You may also opt to do Test for trading. While on these schemes you get your regular entitlement plus a little extra. Prospective employers also get weekly payments from the government if they employ a new deal participant.

Test for trading is for people wanting to start their own business but not sure if its viable. You start up and if after 6 months you wish to go ahead with what your doing you sign off, if on the other hand your business didn't do well then what you have earned is counted up and you may need to pay some back. In these cases you remain signing on. You get help with council tax rent school meals prescriptions and possibly some other expenses too.

There's lots of other benefits like one parent allowance, OAP heating allowance etc etc that although may seem a pittance to the recipient count the number of recipients and it amounts to a pretty penny.

Every parent in the country recieves child benefit for children under 16 (18 if still in education) whether the parent works or not.

Every child born after a certain date also recieves a trust fund account I think this is currently £100

And let us not forget our Armed Forces, Police force, Fire Brigade and Ambulances all of which do a fantastic job and risk their own lives every day at work.

I agree with everything you said there.

crazijoe · 08-10-2006, 09:18 AM

I'm curious, where do the royal family get their funds?

dai · 08-10-2006, 09:26 AM

from rents on property that they own,investments,allowances to some members for royal duties that they are required to perform as part of their civic duty

Inactive · 08-10-2006, 09:29 AM

Quote:

United Kingdom includes Northern Ireland

not very united.

**Joefireline** · 08-10-2006, 09:29 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by crazijoe

I'm curious, where do the royal family get their funds?

Just allowances, given to them...

crazijoe · 08-10-2006, 09:43 AM

So the royal family's income does not come from taxes, correct?

**TheAtheist** · 08-10-2006, 09:46 AM

they also now own a rundown house in manchester lol

**Joefireline** · 08-10-2006, 09:49 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by crazijoe

So the royal family's income does not come from taxes, correct?

I am pretty sure it doesn't...

dai · 08-10-2006, 09:49 AM

their allowances do as they would be classed as public servants and paid from the public purse

**Joefireline** · 08-10-2006, 09:51 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dai

their allowances do as they would be classed as public servants and paid from the public purse

??? No. Doesn't work like that...

**TheAtheist** · 08-10-2006, 09:52 AM

yeah dai you got it. we basically fund a family that do nothing useful for us.

crazijoe · 08-10-2006, 09:56 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by thetechmaster

yeah dai you got it. we basically fund a family that do nothing useful for us.

What kind of income are we talking about.

08-10-2006, 06:49 AM	#1 (permalink)
crazijoe Registered User Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Omaha, The Center of the Universe Posts: 7,632 OS: WinXP, Win2K3 My System	England, Government and the Queen I'm not posting this to slam the UK and I have not intention of this thread getting heated. If it does get heated, I would like bry or yustr to shut it down. I don't live in the UK so I don't know much on it's government, laws and the political status of the Queen. I mearly started this thread to further my knowledge of the running of this country since some of it just doesn't make sense. I would like our UK members to state their opinions, their likes and dislikes of what makes this nation "Great". A couple questions from me, 1. Where does the Queen stand. Is she a active in law making and part of the political process or is she mearly a symbol or a higher figure. 2. Why does the government tax so much. I know that other countries have high taxes but this thread is about the UK. __________________ Microsoft MCSA + Messaging, MVP, A+, Network+ http://i16.photobucket.com/albums/b3...other/Help.jpg Do you want a real Republican? HDD diagnostic tools / HDD data recovery software

08-10-2006, 06:52 AM	#2 (permalink)
bry623 Manager, The Conversation Pit/Analyst, Security Team Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: NW Territory circa 1787 Posts: 11,692 OS: winxp pro sp2	I don't think I'll need to shut it down. I think the Great stands for something like Greater Britain, the whole island of Brittiania as Ceaser would say. __________________ "If you aren't a liberal when you're 20, you have no heart. If you aren't a conservative when you are 50, you have no brain"

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mimo2005 Manager, The Relaxation Room/Analyst, Security Team Join Date: Oct 2004 Posts: 11,142 OS: xp	why is the queen in top 10 most rich of england ? Does she own banks and businesses? __________________ TSF has outgrown its server, again. Please help "Gutta cavat lapidem, non vi sed saepe cadendo"

08-10-2006, 09:18 AM	#10 (permalink)
crazijoe Registered User Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Omaha, The Center of the Universe Posts: 7,632 OS: WinXP, Win2K3 My System	I'm curious, where do the royal family get their funds? __________________ Microsoft MCSA + Messaging, MVP, A+, Network+ http://i16.photobucket.com/albums/b3...other/Help.jpg Do you want a real Republican? HDD diagnostic tools / HDD data recovery software

08-10-2006, 09:26 AM	#11 (permalink)
dai Manager, Hardware Forums Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: west australia Posts: 56,539 OS: win 7 32x 64x rtm	from rents on property that they own,investments,allowances to some members for royal duties that they are required to perform as part of their civic duty __________________

08-10-2006, 07:09 AM	#3 (permalink)
TheAtheist Mentor, Articles Team Join Date: May 2006 Location: Portishead, Bristol Posts: 1,313 OS: xp sp3 My System	apparently, in reply to your question, the queen has the power to veto any law she sees fit but in reality this almost never happens because it just doesnt, i dont think the prime minister would let her. I think the queen doesnt paly much role in british life anymore.

08-10-2006, 07:25 AM	#4 (permalink)
Joefireline Enthusiastic TSFer~Joseph Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Portishead (Bristol) England Posts: 5,319 OS: Windows 7 64bit(Desktop) / XP Home SP2(laptop) My System	The Queen doesn't have much power, but if say parlament got really out of hand, she would come in. She also opens parlament. And, she gives big awards out to people who have done really good things. She also opens up big things. And meets a lot of people...

08-10-2006, 07:48 AM	#5 (permalink)
TheAtheist Mentor, Articles Team Join Date: May 2006 Location: Portishead, Bristol Posts: 1,313 OS: xp sp3 My System	But shes still useless in todays society.

08-10-2006, 08:03 AM	#7 (permalink)
Joefireline Enthusiastic TSFer~Joseph Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Portishead (Bristol) England Posts: 5,319 OS: Windows 7 64bit(Desktop) / XP Home SP2(laptop) My System	No, although she may be rich, she doesn't really have much control of her life.

08-10-2006, 08:30 AM	#8 (permalink)
MoralTerror Analyst, Security Team Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: UK Posts: 1,968 OS: xp	laws aren't passed in parliament until the Queen signs them, but yeah the techmaster is right in that it never really happens for her not to sign. Don't quote me but I don't think it ever has happened. I'm not sure about her not playing a role in British life anymore though. She does still play IMO a big part. Remember she is 80 years old so she does brill for her age. She does also pay tax even though she doesn't have to as does Prince Charles and she does give to charities as well. The term Great Britain was first used by King James VI of Scotland and I of England in the context "King of Great Britain" as opposed to "King of Scotland and England". Although Great Britain now includes Wales and the surrounding islands. United Kingdom includes Northern Ireland. Taxes are high but then medical care is free. I agree some areas need more money but any organisation or whatever faces financial problems one way or another. Education is also free and in Scotland this includes Further Education at college. The education system is good and continually improving. State benefits fall below other European countries but then UK imo have a higher rate of people quite happy to laze around on the dole. For those that do wish to work then the benefits and help from the government can steer you in the right direction. eg new deal designed for over 25's unemployed over 6 months. This scheme offers training courses to gain qualifications and in some cases experience to get into your desired occupation. You may also opt to do Test for trading. While on these schemes you get your regular entitlement plus a little extra. Prospective employers also get weekly payments from the government if they employ a new deal participant. Test for trading is for people wanting to start their own business but not sure if its viable. You start up and if after 6 months you wish to go ahead with what your doing you sign off, if on the other hand your business didn't do well then what you have earned is counted up and you may need to pay some back. In these cases you remain signing on. You get help with council tax rent school meals prescriptions and possibly some other expenses too. There's lots of other benefits like one parent allowance, OAP heating allowance etc etc that although may seem a pittance to the recipient count the number of recipients and it amounts to a pretty penny. Every parent in the country recieves child benefit for children under 16 (18 if still in education) whether the parent works or not. Every child born after a certain date also recieves a trust fund account I think this is currently £100 And let us not forget our Armed Forces, Police force, Fire Brigade and Ambulances all of which do a fantastic job and risk their own lives every day at work.

08-10-2006, 09:43 AM	#14 (permalink)
crazijoe Registered User Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Omaha, The Center of the Universe Posts: 7,632 OS: WinXP, Win2K3 My System	So the royal family's income does not come from taxes, correct? __________________ Microsoft MCSA + Messaging, MVP, A+, Network+ http://i16.photobucket.com/albums/b3...other/Help.jpg Do you want a real Republican? HDD diagnostic tools / HDD data recovery software

08-10-2006, 09:46 AM	#15 (permalink)
TheAtheist Mentor, Articles Team Join Date: May 2006 Location: Portishead, Bristol Posts: 1,313 OS: xp sp3 My System	they also now own a rundown house in manchester lol

08-10-2006, 09:49 AM	#17 (permalink)
dai Manager, Hardware Forums Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: west australia Posts: 56,539 OS: win 7 32x 64x rtm	their allowances do as they would be classed as public servants and paid from the public purse __________________

08-10-2006, 09:52 AM	#19 (permalink)
TheAtheist Mentor, Articles Team Join Date: May 2006 Location: Portishead, Bristol Posts: 1,313 OS: xp sp3 My System	yeah dai you got it. we basically fund a family that do nothing useful for us.