Leiberman

bry623 · 07-25-2006, 12:50 PM

Joe Leiberman seems to have been abandoned by all of his democratic buddies except W.J. Clinton. Since I am in Ohio and a republican, I can only merely watch. I wonder what a democrat in Connecticut thinks.

**40sondacurb** · 07-25-2006, 02:19 PM

Gore left him pretty high and dry, that's for sure.

yustr · 07-25-2006, 07:06 PM

The primary is more of a anti-Bush vote than anything. Lieberman has been a stanch supporter of Bush's policies - including supportting the fiasco in Iraq. His primary opponent - Ned Lamont - is playing that up big time. Showing pictures of the two together. Wondering aloud if Lieberman is more republican than demo.

But Lamont hasn't rung any bells with me - other than being opposed to the war. While that might be enough - it is a disaster - I'm not yet sure I can support him.

It does show the pattern that demos will use nation wide; make this a referendum on Bush. But as Tip O'Neal said "All politics is local."

Tumbleweed36 · 07-25-2006, 08:54 PM

Hi,

I have a take on Joe Lieberman. I could easily vote for Senator Lieberman, not because he voted for some of the Bush policies, but because here is a man that votes what his heart says is correct, rather than what polls might say on the topic. He is an older Senator, but not an "old guard Senator."

He has demonstrated a rare quality that very few Republicans and Democrats actually have. Regardless of the party, we need more men and women who demonstrate that leadership quality. We need to begin voting for quality people and not those who have more money or a more organized political campaign.

We have one of the "old guard" here in Indiana named Richard Lugar who has a very well honed election machine. He is a Republican Senator who is running again, and the Democrats don't even field a candidate against him because of his popularity. That is sad, because I would have liked to vote for a Democrat who might bring some fresh ideas to the Senate. I fault the Democrats for not making that effort.

What the heck are we supposed to do? Democrat's don't field a Senate candidate, they let Indiana Governor Daniels do whatever he wants (leasing our Toll Road to a foreign company),without challenging him with a unified front and it goes on and on.

Help, we need two political parties in Indiana. The way things are going now, we just don't have a choice.

**40sondacurb** · 07-25-2006, 09:17 PM

What are you complaining about, you probably scared them out after your first letter:

Quote:

Hi,

Your policies make me want to shove your foot in your mouth then cram the other one where the sun does not shine.

Have a great day.

I'm really pissed at my two senators, they supported the sellout candidate for the gubernatorial election. They're going to pay for it though, the guy is too cocking and is going to crash and burn even against Arnold.

bry623 · 07-31-2006, 11:13 AM

Your senators are absolute pieces of crap.

bry623 · 08-09-2006, 06:29 AM

Well, old Joe lost and plans to run as an independent. Good for him. He might even win when you throw the republican votes in the mix.

newhouse1390 · 08-09-2006, 09:35 AM

Bry,
How do you feel about our senators here in Ohio?

bry623 · 08-09-2006, 02:26 PM

Glad you asked.

They are both RINOs. Voinovich is weak and bends to whatever pressure he gets (see John Bolton hearings).

DeWine is one of the gang of 14. 'nuff said there.

I didn't vote for Mike in the primary this year. I did like that he is against assault weapons and that fact that the Christmas card I got from him had words like "Christmas" and "Lord" in it.

Our state really isn't ready for hardcore conservatives. I love Blackwell, but he won't be able to get enough of the base to balance out the moderate votes that will surely go to Strickland.

newhouse1390 · 08-09-2006, 02:40 PM

Quote:

Glad you asked.

They are both RINOs. Voinovich is weak and bends to whatever pressure he gets (see John Bolton hearings).

DeWine is one of the gang of 14. 'nuff said there.

I didn't vote for Mike in the primary this year. I did like that he is against assault weapons and that fact that the Christmas card I got from him had words like "Christmas" and "Lord" in it.

Our state really isn't ready for hardcore conservatives. I love Blackwell, but he won't be able to get enough of the base to balance out the moderate votes that will surely go to Strickland.

I can't think of a time where I have been more upset with our representation at the national level. I really do not like either Dewine or Voinovich but for some reason I still keep voting for them. I guess that a republican is better than democrat. I just feel that the conservatives that we have, not only here in Ohio, but around the country in congress are not very "hardcore". Honestly, I think that we need to bring back (hardcore) real conservatives especially with how the democrats have become so extreme. Where are they? No where to be found.

bry623 · 08-09-2006, 05:20 PM

One could argue that with the extreme leftist liberals (moveon and Howie and the guy that beat Leiberman) taking control of the Democratic party, that the Republicans are starting to be able to pander to the middle and get their vote.

The test however, is in Nov.

**40sondacurb** · 08-09-2006, 10:07 PM

Being a moderate wasn't what sank him, supporting the war was.

bry623 · 08-10-2006, 06:46 AM

So I guess Bush is to blame for his defeat then.

**jgvernonco** · 08-10-2006, 09:08 AM

No, Bry, the Dems will have to choke on this one all by themselves. Frankly, Joe could get more done in two hours on the phone than those "also ran"s will be able to get done in a year, so the Dems shot themselves in the foot, and their state will suffer for it.

BTW, this life-long Republican just registered as a Democrat; I found that I was better able to see myself as a moderate Dem than a moderate Rep. You folks are talking about the "liberalization" of the Democratic party, but their real wins have all been putting moderates up for executive branch positions. The Republicans are being marginalized, as we speak, not by their moderates, but by really nasty conservatives that most people will eventually abandon.

Never forget that the rubber meets the road at the level of "public service". When I was in need of help, the Repubicans almost laughed at me, but the Dems stood up, for one guy, and a Republican, at that.

There is not one Member of Congress on the Republican side who I would even give a thought to as a Presidential candidate. Who are the Reps going to run?...McCain? OMG, I can't bear the pain.

So, folks will say that Bush beat the next Rep. Presidential candidate, but that will not be true; the Reps will beat their next candidate in a flurry of conservative dust that no one will be able to see through.

bry623 · 08-10-2006, 11:16 AM

See? Me idea of a moderate party is starting to look even better.

**40sondacurb** · 08-10-2006, 12:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bry623

So I guess Bush is to blame for his defeat then.

No one put a gun to Joe's head.

yustr · 08-10-2006, 01:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bry623

So I guess Bush is to blame for his defeat then.

No. It was his brown nose support for Bush that was to blame. His constituents do not agree that unquestioned support of Bush's policies is the right thing for America. They spoke with the most powerful tool in a democracy - the ballot. Lieberman has no one to blame but himself. He could have won easily by just saying "At one time I felt the President's conduct was correct. I now see that it was and continues to be a mistake."

bry623 · 08-10-2006, 01:53 PM

Do you think he has a chance of winning as an independent? Will he split the democratic vote enough to give the republican a plurality?

newhouse1390 · 08-10-2006, 02:34 PM

Lieberman will win as an independent.

**bruiser** · 08-10-2006, 03:26 PM

I don't know if this is true, haven't checked, but I was told there are more registered independents in Conn. than there are registered democrats or republicans.

07-25-2006, 12:50 PM	#1 (permalink)
bry623 Manager, The Conversation Pit/Analyst, Security Team Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: NW Territory circa 1787 Posts: 11,692 OS: winxp pro sp2	Leiberman Joe Leiberman seems to have been abandoned by all of his democratic buddies except W.J. Clinton. Since I am in Ohio and a republican, I can only merely watch. I wonder what a democrat in Connecticut thinks. __________________ "If you aren't a liberal when you're 20, you have no heart. If you aren't a conservative when you are 50, you have no brain"

07-25-2006, 02:19 PM	#2 (permalink)
40sondacurb Don't be a menace Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 6,285 OS: Vista sp2	Gore left him pretty high and dry, that's for sure. __________________ Donate to keep the forum running

07-25-2006, 07:06 PM	#3 (permalink)
yustr Asst. Manager, The Conversation Pit Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Connecticut shore Posts: 6,049 OS: XP Pro My System	The primary is more of a anti-Bush vote than anything. Lieberman has been a stanch supporter of Bush's policies - including supportting the fiasco in Iraq. His primary opponent - Ned Lamont - is playing that up big time. Showing pictures of the two together. Wondering aloud if Lieberman is more republican than demo. But Lamont hasn't rung any bells with me - other than being opposed to the war. While that might be enough - it is a disaster - I'm not yet sure I can support him. It does show the pattern that demos will use nation wide; make this a referendum on Bush. But as Tip O'Neal said "All politics is local." __________________ If there are lawyers or politicians involved, logic may be a very poor tool for reaching a conclusion.

07-25-2006, 08:54 PM	#4 (permalink)
Tumbleweed36 Asst Manager Hardware Join Date: May 2005 Location: USA Posts: 19,654 OS: XP Professional	Hi, I have a take on Joe Lieberman. I could easily vote for Senator Lieberman, not because he voted for some of the Bush policies, but because here is a man that votes what his heart says is correct, rather than what polls might say on the topic. He is an older Senator, but not an "old guard Senator." He has demonstrated a rare quality that very few Republicans and Democrats actually have. Regardless of the party, we need more men and women who demonstrate that leadership quality. We need to begin voting for quality people and not those who have more money or a more organized political campaign. We have one of the "old guard" here in Indiana named Richard Lugar who has a very well honed election machine. He is a Republican Senator who is running again, and the Democrats don't even field a candidate against him because of his popularity. That is sad, because I would have liked to vote for a Democrat who might bring some fresh ideas to the Senate. I fault the Democrats for not making that effort. What the heck are we supposed to do? Democrat's don't field a Senate candidate, they let Indiana Governor Daniels do whatever he wants (leasing our Toll Road to a foreign company),without challenging him with a unified front and it goes on and on. Help, we need two political parties in Indiana. The way things are going now, we just don't have a choice. __________________ ---------- I don't receive email notifications of replies to subscribed threads. (Internet provider policy) Therefore, if I don't respond to your post within 24 hours, please send me a reminder PM and include the link to your thread. Last edited by Tumbleweed36; 07-25-2006 at 08:55 PM.

07-31-2006, 11:13 AM	#6 (permalink)
bry623 Manager, The Conversation Pit/Analyst, Security Team Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: NW Territory circa 1787 Posts: 11,692 OS: winxp pro sp2	Your senators are absolute pieces of crap. __________________ "If you aren't a liberal when you're 20, you have no heart. If you aren't a conservative when you are 50, you have no brain"

08-09-2006, 06:29 AM	#7 (permalink)
bry623 Manager, The Conversation Pit/Analyst, Security Team Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: NW Territory circa 1787 Posts: 11,692 OS: winxp pro sp2	Well, old Joe lost and plans to run as an independent. Good for him. He might even win when you throw the republican votes in the mix. __________________ "If you aren't a liberal when you're 20, you have no heart. If you aren't a conservative when you are 50, you have no brain"

08-09-2006, 09:35 AM	#8 (permalink)
newhouse1390 Member, Networking Team Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Ohio Posts: 1,040 OS: Windows Server 2003	Bry, How do you feel about our senators here in Ohio? __________________ Because you can read this thank a teacher, because it's English thank a soldier.

08-09-2006, 02:26 PM	#9 (permalink)
bry623 Manager, The Conversation Pit/Analyst, Security Team Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: NW Territory circa 1787 Posts: 11,692 OS: winxp pro sp2	Glad you asked. They are both RINOs. Voinovich is weak and bends to whatever pressure he gets (see John Bolton hearings). DeWine is one of the gang of 14. 'nuff said there. I didn't vote for Mike in the primary this year. I did like that he is against assault weapons and that fact that the Christmas card I got from him had words like "Christmas" and "Lord" in it. Our state really isn't ready for hardcore conservatives. I love Blackwell, but he won't be able to get enough of the base to balance out the moderate votes that will surely go to Strickland. __________________ "If you aren't a liberal when you're 20, you have no heart. If you aren't a conservative when you are 50, you have no brain"

08-09-2006, 05:20 PM	#11 (permalink)
bry623 Manager, The Conversation Pit/Analyst, Security Team Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: NW Territory circa 1787 Posts: 11,692 OS: winxp pro sp2	One could argue that with the extreme leftist liberals (moveon and Howie and the guy that beat Leiberman) taking control of the Democratic party, that the Republicans are starting to be able to pander to the middle and get their vote. The test however, is in Nov. __________________ "If you aren't a liberal when you're 20, you have no heart. If you aren't a conservative when you are 50, you have no brain"

08-09-2006, 10:07 PM	#12 (permalink)
40sondacurb Don't be a menace Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 6,285 OS: Vista sp2	Being a moderate wasn't what sank him, supporting the war was. __________________ Donate to keep the forum running

08-10-2006, 06:46 AM	#13 (permalink)
bry623 Manager, The Conversation Pit/Analyst, Security Team Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: NW Territory circa 1787 Posts: 11,692 OS: winxp pro sp2	So I guess Bush is to blame for his defeat then. __________________ "If you aren't a liberal when you're 20, you have no heart. If you aren't a conservative when you are 50, you have no brain"

08-10-2006, 09:08 AM	#14 (permalink)
jgvernonco Old Timer Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Northern Arizona Posts: 7,958 OS: Vista Home Premium, SP 27	No, Bry, the Dems will have to choke on this one all by themselves. Frankly, Joe could get more done in two hours on the phone than those "also ran"s will be able to get done in a year, so the Dems shot themselves in the foot, and their state will suffer for it. BTW, this life-long Republican just registered as a Democrat; I found that I was better able to see myself as a moderate Dem than a moderate Rep. You folks are talking about the "liberalization" of the Democratic party, but their real wins have all been putting moderates up for executive branch positions. The Republicans are being marginalized, as we speak, not by their moderates, but by really nasty conservatives that most people will eventually abandon. Never forget that the rubber meets the road at the level of "public service". When I was in need of help, the Repubicans almost laughed at me, but the Dems stood up, for one guy, and a Republican, at that. There is not one Member of Congress on the Republican side who I would even give a thought to as a Presidential candidate. Who are the Reps going to run?...McCain? OMG, I can't bear the pain. So, folks will say that Bush beat the next Rep. Presidential candidate, but that will not be true; the Reps will beat their next candidate in a flurry of conservative dust that no one will be able to see through. __________________ Donations keep TSF moving forward. Please help. http://www.myspace.com/speedbumpthecelt

08-10-2006, 11:16 AM	#15 (permalink)
bry623 Manager, The Conversation Pit/Analyst, Security Team Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: NW Territory circa 1787 Posts: 11,692 OS: winxp pro sp2	See? Me idea of a moderate party is starting to look even better. __________________ "If you aren't a liberal when you're 20, you have no heart. If you aren't a conservative when you are 50, you have no brain"

08-10-2006, 01:53 PM	#18 (permalink)
bry623 Manager, The Conversation Pit/Analyst, Security Team Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: NW Territory circa 1787 Posts: 11,692 OS: winxp pro sp2	Do you think he has a chance of winning as an independent? Will he split the democratic vote enough to give the republican a plurality? __________________ "If you aren't a liberal when you're 20, you have no heart. If you aren't a conservative when you are 50, you have no brain"

08-10-2006, 02:34 PM	#19 (permalink)
newhouse1390 Member, Networking Team Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Ohio Posts: 1,040 OS: Windows Server 2003	Lieberman will win as an independent. __________________ Because you can read this thank a teacher, because it's English thank a soldier.

08-10-2006, 03:26 PM	#20 (permalink)
bruiser TSF Enthusiast Join Date: Jul 2005 Posts: 1,973 OS: xp	I don't know if this is true, haven't checked, but I was told there are more registered independents in Conn. than there are registered democrats or republicans.