40sondacurb

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=swBcf...rch=WMD%20iraq

Over 500 weapons munitions of degraded mustard and nerve gas has been found since the invasion of Iraq. Some munitions are filled and some are unfilled. The agents in these munitions degrade over time, but could possibly still be lethal.

No evidence of post gulf war programs was found.



My Thoughts:
So they found the weapons that we gave them, weapons past their expiration date, and that's supposed to be a smoking gun? And this isn't a stockpile the found, this is a number that has accumulated over time waiting for the right politically opportunistic moment to be presented. This is nothing new, all it is is a benchmark just like the 2,500 dead service men and women.

These munitions were readily available, but the insurgency has not used them. Why? because bombs kill more people than expired shells.

Tumbleweed36

Hi,

While I could never disagree totally with my frined 40, the story is not quite accurate. First of all, the Sarin gas does not degrade (I think that is the one) like the rest does so it is still very deadly. Also, we don't actually know how much the other ones have degraded. Even chemical experts on the Television last night were saying they have no way to know exactly how much it has degraded, so it could still be deadly.

Second point, isn't this (Sarin) what was used to kill all those innocent Kurds and is considered a weapon of mass destruction. Saddam used it very effectively on his enemies. Therefore, if the Sarin does not degrade, he had used it in the past, and he still has it, isn't that the same as finding WMD?????

Third point. Isn't this the same stuff that was reported by Saddam and the UN group that was no longer there, because it had been destroyed? I mean, why didn't they destroy it if no longer usable. That is what they said they did.

Last point.....and you won't ike this one. If this stuff is degraded so it is no longer usable, then I suggest we store it in a safe haven. If it is harmless as the liberals are claiming, then I have a great solution. Just don't waste our taxpayer money destroying it, just send a few canisters over to some of the bleeding heart liberal's houses and they can store that harmless stuff at their homes. I mean, really, harmless, degraded stuff, not WMD, nothng new.....I am sure they would want it. That Kerry dude will probably want several cannisters at his house.

Sorry 40, the devil made me do it. Have a good day.

bry623

Where are ya TW? I think I need to buy you a beer. Great reply!

yustr

Guys, Don't get all puffed up over this non-news.

These are 20 - 25 year old munitions that we already knew about and that the US Gov't said years ago were "not of a militarily significant capability".

And, how would we know that they were no longer "significant"? Well, since we provided Saddam with them in the first place. And for those who don't know, chemical weapons require stabilizers be added to preclude loss of effectiveness. And in the presence of ordinary water chemical weapons (VX for sure and probably mustard as well) degrade to compounds no longer considered chemical agents. Therefore, unless we added the stabilizers - doubtful - and they were very carefully stored - highly unlikely - the agents would have long since degraded.

And, think back to 2003; Saddam's facing overthrow by invading US forces but doesn't use any of the "500 weapons". In fact he tells his Generals that none exist. Then in the 3+ years since the invasion - not one of the many insurgent groups found and decided to use any of them. When have these !@#$% shown any restraint? Ya think that maybe there was nothing lethal to be used?

So this is not the vindication you've been wishing for. Sorry. Try again.

bry623

No one says it is vindication. But unless enriched uranium is found, the libs will not concede an inch.

40sondacurb

How dare you! How dare you bring up that SOB Kerry to me! I was a Clark man dammit. Kerry can go back to quasi homosexual fraternity make sweet love with Bush just like the old'n days for all I care.


Why didn't they blow this story up in 2004 hu? Why weren't the republican in arms going See! See!? Because they knew that some degraded artillery shells were not worth invading Iraq over.


http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/4997808/

"2004: May 14 Iraqi insurgency fighters in Iraq detonate a 155 mm shell containing several litres of binary precursors for sarin. The shell is designed to mix the chemicals as it spins during flight. The detonated shell releases only a small amount of sarin gas, either because the explosion failed to mix the binary agents properly or because the chemicals inside the shell had degraded significantly with age. Two United States soldiers are treated for exposure after displaying the early symptoms, but no serious injuries were reported..."

As you can see sarin does degrade TW. Maybe we should be thankful they used a Weapons of Mass Destruction, because a weapon of plain old destruction would have killed them.

yustr

Not Vindication? If you listen to Santorum, he makes it clear that he considers this all the proof he needs to spew forth that any Democrat who now says that the President lied us into war has been rebuked.

But, as I've already pointed out, there is no news here. Nobody is deigning that Saddam had chemical weapons in the 1980's. For Santorum to go on the floor of the Senate and say “See we found WMD in Iraq” is obfuscation at best.

It’s kind of like saying that Columbus discovered America. It’s tough to discover something when there are people waving to you from the shore.

Edit: Maybe this is why he's acting so desperate: