drbillchristian

Setting aside the notion that there seems to be several versions of the "one true God" floating around, I recently read a post that caused me to realize that there seems to be some things about "God" that aren't in the Bible, so I thought I would post them here.

Who knows ? Maybe someday this thread will be canonized and incorporated into the New Testament. (The Newer Testament ?) Anyways, to wit:

First, have you ever noticed how Christians ascribe certain acts to one "part" of God, and other acts to another ?

For example, when a hurricane hits the coast that's an act of "God". But when you are frightened and need some help "Jesus" comes to the rescue.

I think this is quite odd. Why is it that Jesus doesn't send Hurricanes and God isthe one that loves the little children. Well I guess I have heard them (the Christians) say that God DOES love the little children. Even the ones he is killing with Hurricanes. But why is it that Jesus gets all the Good Press ?

And another thing. This whole Holy Ghost thing has got me wholly concerned, as I can't really identify exactly what this "part" of God is about. The only thing that comes to mind are those TV images of those sweaty fat black women in dresses in the Southern Baptist Churches shaking and drooling and flopping around on the floor.

Finally, I would like to mention some things I have thought about regarding the "3-in-1, God is like an egg" theory.

First, it makes no sense. If you compare "God" to the egg, and then add the yolk and the white and the eggshell, well that equation uses 4 terms, not 3.

(Recap: Eggshell + Egg White + Egg Yolk = Egg)

So how does this translate to the Christian version of God ?

Holy Ghost + Jesus + ? = God

Surely they can't mean "Holy Ghost + Jesus + God = God" (like I have heard many say), as it makes no sense mathmatically. Just look at it, it's a simple equation that doesn't add up.

If one insists that Holy Ghost + Jesus + God = God, then one must therefore accept that Holy Ghost + Jesus = 0

Which has some implications, such as

Holy Ghost + Jesus = 1 (God/(divided by) God = 1)
Which means that God is either -0 (negative) or Holy Ghost/Jesus = 0

also consider:
Holy Ghost = 0, and Jesus = 0 which satisfies Holy Ghost (0) + Jesus (0) + God = God

Have I disproven the existance of both Jesus and the Holy Ghost, or merely defined one of them as being negative.

So then how does Satan factor in ? If -(Satan) = Jesus, then does Holy Ghost = Satan ?

Perhaps this explains why those fat sweaty black women look so scary, like they are possesed in a Horror Movie.

Has the Baptist Church been taken over by Satan ?


Or (the last question), if "Jesus + Holy Ghost (somehow end up) = (equaling) God, then there must be a 3 component of God and a 4th term in the equation. Is the 4th component Satan, or a parallel universe ? A warp in the space-time continueum ? An extra dimension ?

To be honest, I truly believe I have discovered something profound. This may alter the human races understanding of Christian Theology for all Eternity.

D'ya think this gets me into heaven ? Of do I have to consider the methods of entry as detailed by the Muslems ?

forcifer

drbillchristian

I did, completely and several times. In fact I have the KJV downloaded on my computer right now.

And I ran a text search and found no mention of the word "clover" in the Bible either.

But that analogy falls short also:

1 Leaf + 1 Leaf + 1 Leaf + Stem = Clover

See, 4 terms in this equation also. This must be part of some vast, left-wing conspiracy to cloud Christians understanding of the Bible by propagating bad analogies of the Identity of God.

But then, Liberals don't believe in God, do they ? It must therefore be the Republicans doing it. Perhaps there are other flaws in the Republo-Christian Doctrine. Let's evaluate and determine if that is the case.

forcifer

its because the clover thing was first shown as an analogy by St. Patrick

now i see what you meen. another way to put it:

entire God = the stem. but the god is split into 3 parts. so its more like:

leaf 1 (Holy Spirit) + Leaf 2 (Jesus, aka the Son) + Leaf 3 (the Father) = the Stem (God)

Volt-Schwibe

this is a little off the subject, but you mention God killing the kids he loves...

the way it was explained to me, which seems to make perfect sense, if you beleive in heaven....

God may kill people, he may cause sickness, he may cause bad things to happen to his people, BUT, God doesn't see it the same way we do. if you beleive in heaven, God is SAVING those people from life on our earth. they will continue to live, and thrive, just not on earth as we know it. also, the more we endure, the more whole we become. and the things we endure define us, and determine the way we think.

so in God's mind, (which has got to be very busy) he isn't ending something, but rather completing something, and transmogrifying it into something more beautiful, and all while maintaining some sort of balance of things.

it's us humans who have attached significance to the "life" we live with our pumping hearts and our flowing blood, and our firing neurons, whereas to God, this body is simply a shell to house us until we ascend.

(i myself am not convinced of anything religious, since i am too uneducated and to unintelligent to be sure about the existence of God, and my entire life here has trained me not to have "faith" in something that i cannot in any way verify. many people call me agnostic, and i guess i don't mind being described that way.)

drbillchristian

I have also heard this notion that "the spirit hates the flesh" and to be honest I don't buy it either.

My own personal belief is that the "work we do" while "in the flesh" is extraordinary importance, in fact it may be paramount.

My reason for this is that anyone can drop out of a uterus, roll around in the dirt for a while and then die. So then what was the point ? If the spiritual "life" is so special, then what's the point of "breathing life into the dust" ?

Personally, I dread the afterlife, one way or the other, and can't imagine "spending an eternity" anywhere without hating it. And, given what I see from the folks that seem to be inordinately preoccupied with getting into heavan (this applies to both Christians and Muslims equally) I think I might personally prefer the alternative.

40sondacurb

These aren't my words but as a Bahai I reflect the same sentiment as the author.

drbillchristian

Some of the ideas contained within provoke some more thoughts.

I find it quite odd that the "King of the Jews" is credited with "saving" the entire race.

Er, except of course the Jews themselves. Who do not recognize him as a "Messiah".

And as far as the "salvation" part goes, the Jews seem to be quite near the bottom of the list of those that have been glorified, as it was almost 2000 years from the time that Christ was crucified until the Jews were able to occupy a geographical location called "Israel".

Further, if one were to look to any particular "trigger" that might have precipitated the creation of (what I regard to be the) "glorious" State of Israel, I would think that humanity's reaction to the Holocaust and the loss by the Axis powers in WWII would be much more significant.

Further, it occurs to me that as "apocalyptic" as the Holocaust might have been (certainly there had never been as great a calamity to the Jewish people prior to that) still there was no "Messiah" in play at the time "saving" the Jewish people.

In short, it appears that many of these myths are simply "square pegs" looking to be inserted into the "round holes" of world events. Only they don't fit very well, which necessitates the generation of something called "belief". Said dynamic is not unique to the misapplication of Christian myths, as those interested in prognosticators such as Nostradamus and notions regarding the "Bible Code" (currently a popular fad) practice exactly the same level of irrational behavior. Only they don't claim that this gives them some kind of authority to kill people.

Beliefs are dangerous. Much more dangerous than "offensive" language, and so I think people that rational people should always regard any persons with an inordinate level of belief of any sort with watchful and wary eyes.

Another thing that many people (even within a so-called "Christian" culture) do not know is that there were MANY Christs. While the oppression of the Jews during this time period is well-documented and understood, one fact most Christians remain ignorant of is that one of Jesus Christ's particulars was that he was considered THE Christ. While there is a lot of Christian lip-service to the notion of THE Christ, it never occurs to them that there were many both before and after Christ's crucifixtion.

No one talks much about the failed, rejected and factory-second Christs that didn't make the grade.

Finally (as long as it occurs to me) I wonder if the case could possibly be made for Osama bin Laden being the (second coming) of (the) Christ. (Although the notion of a "second coming" of Christ is relatively new, as there was no biblical precedent to two appearances of a Christ prior to his crucifixtion.)

But given that there is (now) and apparantly the current crop of committed conservative Christians believe in it, it occurs to me that Osama bin Laden might fit the bill.

HAS there in human history ever been a single person that has created such furor and commanded such attention ? And for all the objections to the methods of his adherants, no one seems to be able to challenge his spiritual qualifications save for perhaps that he is pretty good about killing his enemys, which was predicted for the Second Coming. A devout Muslim, his faith is respected by all, even those Muslims that do not advocate unprovoked violance.

I kind of like this line of reasoning, as it therefore must cast the current Christians that currently have power in a different Biblical light, given that they are organized in opposition to a person that might be Christ, resurrected.

forcifer

Jesus came to save the Jewish race, but they didnt want to change so they killed him. when he rose he created Chrisianity. Jews still dont believe in him and are STILL waiting for the Saviour.

40sondacurb

Just like Christians, but that's a different story...

forcifer

please...no Revelations here....

40sondacurb

What, it's just that there are a few million people in this country waiting for a cloud to roll in and start shooting all the Jew, Muslim, and Democrats...

drbillchristian

While disagreeing with everything that 40sondacurb has every written, said, thought, felt or even suspected, I would like to make one exception (the above).

Which I think is pretty funny, LOL.

Except you forgot the Communists. And the Liberals.

40sondacurb

I said democrats

whodat

dr. bill
now i get it
you received a "doctorate" from some college in liberal arts in san juan?

Tumbleweed36

whodat

Joefireline

I don't understand people who believe in 'God', it is quite obvious that it is a load of crap, and someone probably thought of it to make money.
'God' is just something that you want to be.
There is nothing to suggest that there is a 'God'. If you believe in 'God', it is just that you want there to be a 'God'.
With all this Jesus crap, well, this story is from over 2000 years ago, it has quite obviously just been completely exaggerated. Ever played Chinese whispers? The same thing is happening that has happened with this story of Jesus...
You try finding a point to raise, that suggests there is a 'God', you say it, I bet that I can explain why it is a load of crap...

whodat

you are walking a real fine line now......

Fox

I think everyone needs to take a breather. Realize that if you're a part of the "god-doesn't-exist" camp, you're not going to make people start unbelieving. You'll just piss them off, and then everybody will sit there with arms folded.

It's okay to express your beliefs, or lack thereof, but don't be obnoxious about it. People still deserve respect regardless.