Pentagon finally releases the REAL video

mimo2005 · 06-02-2006, 09:09 AM

here it is see for yourself!!!

ps : looks like that plane is rolling ,not flying ?

yustr · 06-02-2006, 09:36 AM

Thanks mimo, I hadn't seen it.

What I find amazing in that video is how precise the crash is. I mean, it’s a jet liner - not the simplest thing to land under normal conditions on a normal runway. Yet this terrorist, with minimal flight training, is able to guide the jet so that it touches down at exactly the right moment (to best fulfill his murderous desires).

OK, conspiracy theorists have at it.

newhouse1390 · 06-02-2006, 10:01 AM

Thanks Mimo I had not seen this yet either.

Yustr, I am concerned of you statements about this crash. It is disturbing to me how you seem to be glorifying the skill level of these cowards. It doesn't take a lot of skill to fly an airliner into a building such as the Pentagon, it takes skill not to, and that is what we train pilots to do.

**bruiser** · 06-02-2006, 10:52 AM

Post a link, Mimo, if you don't mind. I know some people who need to see that, but it has to come from a site they won't question.

Snopes has an article that explains about the rolling.

yustr · 06-02-2006, 10:52 AM

Relax newhouse, I am not glorifying anyone. I think it was a despicable criminal act.

But regardless of what you think, it is not easy to land a large jet where you want to, with the wheels down, without sliding it sideways, or cart wheeling it, or coming in too steep and nose planting it, or coming in too high and missing altogether. Any of these are much more likely than what we see here.

newhouse1390 · 06-02-2006, 11:00 AM

Regardless of what you think, it is not difficult to crash an airplane, as I said before it is hard not to.(That is why you or I do not fly airplanes because we would be afraid we would crash.) Which means that the plot that was carried out on 9-11 was not difficult (sad to say) once they has established control of the aircraft.

Volt-Schwibe · 06-02-2006, 11:13 AM

so would i be correct to say that it sounds like you are saying that they couldn't have possibly had skill, and so there fore it wasn't hard, just because it was a despicable act?

that's a really silly reason to close your mind on the possibility that someone actually had skills.

my feelings are in the middle. it's possible, yes, but at the same time, it's possible that it is a lie.

would take alot to prove something to me though, so no point in even trying.

also, during WWII, with the kamakazi planes, it was determined that it's easy to crash a plane, yes, but it's hard to crash a plane into a target.
there is 100's of documentaries with proof of that concept.

mimo2005 · 06-02-2006, 11:26 AM

Wait a minute , i think the VIDEO in the first link i provided is a fake one .

this is the new video :

http://www.judicialwatch.org/flight77.shtml

yustr · 06-02-2006, 11:33 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Volt-Schwibe

so would i be correct to say that it sounds like you are saying that they couldn't have possibly had skill, and so there fore it wasn't hard, just because it was a despicable act?

No you would be assuming more than I intended by my comment. I just found it startling to see it coming in so level.

yustr · 06-02-2006, 11:44 AM

Thanks mimo. It appears that someone extracted a few cells from video #2 and made the one you posted first.

Another observation: where are all the guards? It sure looks like business as usual at that gate. Yet the WTC has already been hit. They had to know there was another plane in the air heading toward DC. How did they know there wouldn't be attacks from the ground too? I was at a military base on 9/11 and by then it was locked down tight.

**40sondacurb** · 06-02-2006, 11:45 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by yustr

Thanks mimo, I hadn't seen it.

What I find amazing in that video is how precise the crash is. I mean, it’s a jet liner - not the simplest thing to land under normal conditions on a normal runway. Yet this terrorist, with minimal flight training, is able to guide the jet so that it touches down at exactly the right moment (to best fulfill his murderous desires).

OK, conspiracy theorists have at it.

Well you terrorist loving SOB a lot of flying is done by computers these days. All your buddy had to do was set the autopilot to landing mode which would assist him in getting low to the ground and then throttle it. Landing may take skill but crashing at a specific point is easy because those planes have very accurate GPS and automated functions that help make flying a pane a lot like driving a car with a Y and X axis.

Flying is eassy, the hard part is saving up $20,000 to take a test you might not pass. But as we all know even 14 year olds can fly planes.

**bruiser** · 06-02-2006, 01:53 PM

Thanks Mimo, but which clip at Judical Watch actually has the slow speed video? I watched the ones there, but still can't make it out.

mimo2005 · 06-03-2006, 10:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bruiser

Thanks Mimo, but which clip at Judical Watch actually has the slow speed video? I watched the ones there, but still can't make it out.

here s the same video at bbc website :

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/4987716.stm

the video is inside that article .All i can see is a glimpse of something going fast .

ebackhus · 06-05-2006, 09:12 AM

Cursed time lapse video... In the gif I can distinctly see a plane, in the others I see a silver blur.

bry623 · 06-05-2006, 09:27 AM

Same here EB

**bruiser** · 06-05-2006, 11:01 AM

I suspect the gif has been doctored.

ebackhus · 06-05-2006, 12:36 PM

Maybe it was sharpened, but if I could play with the video some I might be able to see a bit more fom it.

06-02-2006, 09:09 AM	#1 (permalink)
mimo2005 Manager, Emeritus Join Date: Oct 2004 Posts: 11,142 OS: xp	Pentagon finally releases the REAL video here it is see for yourself!!! ps : looks like that plane is rolling ,not flying ? __________________ TSF has outgrown its server, again. Please help "Gutta cavat lapidem, non vi sed saepe cadendo"

06-02-2006, 09:36 AM	#2 (permalink)
yustr Asst. Manager, The Conversation Pit Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Connecticut shore Posts: 6,047 OS: XP Pro My System	Thanks mimo, I hadn't seen it. What I find amazing in that video is how precise the crash is. I mean, it’s a jet liner - not the simplest thing to land under normal conditions on a normal runway. Yet this terrorist, with minimal flight training, is able to guide the jet so that it touches down at exactly the right moment (to best fulfill his murderous desires). OK, conspiracy theorists have at it. __________________ If there are lawyers or politicians involved, logic may be a very poor tool for reaching a conclusion.

06-02-2006, 10:01 AM	#3 (permalink)
newhouse1390 Member, Networking Team Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Ohio Posts: 1,040 OS: Windows Server 2003	Thanks Mimo I had not seen this yet either. Yustr, I am concerned of you statements about this crash. It is disturbing to me how you seem to be glorifying the skill level of these cowards. It doesn't take a lot of skill to fly an airliner into a building such as the Pentagon, it takes skill not to, and that is what we train pilots to do. __________________ Because you can read this thank a teacher, because it's English thank a soldier.

06-02-2006, 10:52 AM	#5 (permalink)
yustr Asst. Manager, The Conversation Pit Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Connecticut shore Posts: 6,047 OS: XP Pro My System	Relax newhouse, I am not glorifying anyone. I think it was a despicable criminal act. But regardless of what you think, it is not easy to land a large jet where you want to, with the wheels down, without sliding it sideways, or cart wheeling it, or coming in too steep and nose planting it, or coming in too high and missing altogether. Any of these are much more likely than what we see here. __________________ If there are lawyers or politicians involved, logic may be a very poor tool for reaching a conclusion.

06-02-2006, 11:00 AM	#6 (permalink)
newhouse1390 Member, Networking Team Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Ohio Posts: 1,040 OS: Windows Server 2003	Regardless of what you think, it is not difficult to crash an airplane, as I said before it is hard not to.(That is why you or I do not fly airplanes because we would be afraid we would crash.) Which means that the plot that was carried out on 9-11 was not difficult (sad to say) once they has established control of the aircraft. __________________ Because you can read this thank a teacher, because it's English thank a soldier. Last edited by newhouse1390; 06-02-2006 at 11:01 AM.

06-02-2006, 10:52 AM	#4 (permalink)
bruiser TSF Enthusiast Join Date: Jul 2005 Posts: 1,973 OS: xp	Post a link, Mimo, if you don't mind. I know some people who need to see that, but it has to come from a site they won't question. Snopes has an article that explains about the rolling.

06-02-2006, 11:13 AM	#7 (permalink)
Volt-Schwibe Asst. Manager, Automotive Forums; HJT Trainee Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Behind you, watching you as you type. Posts: 7,372 OS: Click "My System" to view details My System	so would i be correct to say that it sounds like you are saying that they couldn't have possibly had skill, and so there fore it wasn't hard, just because it was a despicable act? that's a really silly reason to close your mind on the possibility that someone actually had skills. my feelings are in the middle. it's possible, yes, but at the same time, it's possible that it is a lie. would take alot to prove something to me though, so no point in even trying. also, during WWII, with the kamakazi planes, it was determined that it's easy to crash a plane, yes, but it's hard to crash a plane into a target. there is 100's of documentaries with proof of that concept. __________________ <signature> TSF is funded by our Admin's pocket, care to help? Power Tip: Subscribe to your thread (Thread Tools) to receive an instant email notification when you get a reply. New Members: Creating a single new thread in the correct section is the best way to assure your thread will receive a reply. </signature> Last edited by Volt-Schwibe; 06-02-2006 at 11:17 AM.

06-02-2006, 11:26 AM	#8 (permalink)
mimo2005 Manager, Emeritus Join Date: Oct 2004 Posts: 11,142 OS: xp	Wait a minute , i think the VIDEO in the first link i provided is a fake one . this is the new video : http://www.judicialwatch.org/flight77.shtml __________________ TSF has outgrown its server, again. Please help "Gutta cavat lapidem, non vi sed saepe cadendo" Last edited by mimo2005; 06-02-2006 at 11:27 AM.

06-02-2006, 11:44 AM	#10 (permalink)
yustr Asst. Manager, The Conversation Pit Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Connecticut shore Posts: 6,047 OS: XP Pro My System	Thanks mimo. It appears that someone extracted a few cells from video #2 and made the one you posted first. Another observation: where are all the guards? It sure looks like business as usual at that gate. Yet the WTC has already been hit. They had to know there was another plane in the air heading toward DC. How did they know there wouldn't be attacks from the ground too? I was at a military base on 9/11 and by then it was locked down tight. __________________ If there are lawyers or politicians involved, logic may be a very poor tool for reaching a conclusion.

06-02-2006, 01:53 PM	#12 (permalink)
bruiser TSF Enthusiast Join Date: Jul 2005 Posts: 1,973 OS: xp	Thanks Mimo, but which clip at Judical Watch actually has the slow speed video? I watched the ones there, but still can't make it out.

06-05-2006, 09:12 AM	#14 (permalink)
ebackhus Manager, Design Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: SATX Posts: 14,255 OS: WinXP Pro SP3/Windows 7 RTM My System Blog Entries: 28	Cursed time lapse video... In the gif I can distinctly see a plane, in the others I see a silver blur. __________________ ----------------------------- There are no dumb questions, unless a customer is asking them. Help in the fight against cancer and other serious illnesses.

06-05-2006, 09:27 AM	#15 (permalink)
bry623 Manager, The Conversation Pit/Analyst, Security Team Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: NW Territory circa 1787 Posts: 11,692 OS: winxp pro sp2	Same here EB __________________ "If you aren't a liberal when you're 20, you have no heart. If you aren't a conservative when you are 50, you have no brain"

06-05-2006, 11:01 AM	#16 (permalink)
bruiser TSF Enthusiast Join Date: Jul 2005 Posts: 1,973 OS: xp	I suspect the gif has been doctored.

06-05-2006, 12:36 PM	#17 (permalink)
ebackhus Manager, Design Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: SATX Posts: 14,255 OS: WinXP Pro SP3/Windows 7 RTM My System Blog Entries: 28	Maybe it was sharpened, but if I could play with the video some I might be able to see a bit more fom it. __________________ ----------------------------- There are no dumb questions, unless a customer is asking them. Help in the fight against cancer and other serious illnesses.