WTC Cough

mimo2005 · 01-20-2006, 08:18 AM

after the death of 3 workers since 2001 related to 9/11 cleaning ....is unclear ?
some lawsuits will start very soon :

http://www.wgenblaw.com/

Sept. 11 Workers Die of Health Problems; Direct Link to Ground Zero Unclear
http://www.comcast.net/news/national...17/305726.html

**ReeKorl** · 01-20-2006, 10:15 AM

Dust laced with asbestos? I thought it was illegal for ANY building, no matter how old, to have asbestos in. I seem to remember in the UK a period of loads of buildings having the asbestos ripped out and replaced.... wasn't this the case in the US also? If so, why was there asbestos on the site?

**40sondacurb** · 01-20-2006, 10:30 AM

We try and get most of the stuff, but a few places still have it let over. They are required to clean it out though, but man does that take money.

I remember that the World Trade center buildings had some sort of fire retardant sprayed on most of the supporting beams. But I don't think the building is old enough to have asbestos.

yustr · 01-20-2006, 11:40 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ReeKorl

Dust laced with asbestos? I thought it was illegal for ANY building, no matter how old, to have asbestos in. I seem to remember in the UK a period of loads of buildings having the asbestos ripped out and replaced.... wasn't this the case in the US also? If so, why was there asbestos on the site?

Asbestos cannot be used in new products but asbestos containing material (ACM) already in use does not have to be removed just because it has some asbestos. Only if it presents a danger for exposure does it have to be removed or incapsulated. Mostly it is removed during renovations; when pipe and wall insolation are exposed. If a building has ACM fireretardant on the structural steel that may remain there forever.

When demolishing a building with ACM, special precautions must be taken to preclude releasing the asbestos into the air. Obviously that wasn't possible for the WTC.

bry623 · 01-20-2006, 01:25 PM

I say we add their deaths to the 9/11 tally. Woops, I pulled a republican and mentioned 9/11 again.

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**Fox** · 01-20-2006, 01:38 PM

What planet are you from that you don't think anyone but the republican party cares about 9/11?

Edit: Okay then. Maybe it was because I'm not used to an event so horrible being used for a cheap shot at people who you perceive to not want to mention 9/11. My bad. Under 21? I guess you would have to be drunk to find that funny.

**Grove** · 01-20-2006, 07:38 PM

I was reading an article about this and it was due to the abestos, dust, concrete that was inhaled. Of course you'd expect further complications if you did inhale that.

**jgvernonco** · 01-23-2006, 04:46 PM

The fire retardant that they originally sprayed on the steel (ceilings/floors)contained a significant amount of asbestos) . They only had enough money to fix about 6 floors per year, and they were doing so. I have yet to see any clinical research on the survivors, re aqsbestos, but part of the may be that the asbestos was on the upper floors, which burned and let to the collapse. Folks who survived that area were so inundated with smoke containing plastics and other synthetics that it might be difficult to attribute death to one single thing. Unfortunately, the study group would not be that large, as many if not most of the people on those higher floors died in the building, or soon thereafter.

01-20-2006, 08:18 AM	#1 (permalink)
mimo2005 Manager, Emeritus Join Date: Oct 2004 Posts: 11,142 OS: xp	WTC Cough after the death of 3 workers since 2001 related to 9/11 cleaning ....is unclear ? some lawsuits will start very soon : http://www.wgenblaw.com/ Sept. 11 Workers Die of Health Problems; Direct Link to Ground Zero Unclear http://www.comcast.net/news/national...17/305726.html __________________ TSF has outgrown its server, again. Please help "Gutta cavat lapidem, non vi sed saepe cadendo" Last edited by mimo2005; 01-20-2006 at 08:20 AM.

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ReeKorl Superhuman Computer Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: 6th Circle, The City of Dis, Hell Posts: 1,610 OS: WinXP Pro SP2 My System	Dust laced with asbestos? I thought it was illegal for ANY building, no matter how old, to have asbestos in. I seem to remember in the UK a period of loads of buildings having the asbestos ripped out and replaced.... wasn't this the case in the US also? If so, why was there asbestos on the site? __________________ "Sorry, the number you have dialled is imaginary. Please rotate dial by 90 degrees and try again."

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40sondacurb Don't be a menace Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 6,285 OS: Vista sp2	We try and get most of the stuff, but a few places still have it let over. They are required to clean it out though, but man does that take money. I remember that the World Trade center buildings had some sort of fire retardant sprayed on most of the supporting beams. But I don't think the building is old enough to have asbestos. __________________ Donate to keep the forum running

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bry623 Manager, The Conversation Pit/Analyst, Security Team Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: NW Territory circa 1787 Posts: 11,692 OS: winxp pro sp2	I say we add their deaths to the 9/11 tally. Woops, I pulled a republican and mentioned 9/11 again. DISLAIMER: THE ABOVE STATEMENT IS MEANT IN A PURELY SATTIRICAL MANNER __________________ "If you aren't a liberal when you're 20, you have no heart. If you aren't a conservative when you are 50, you have no brain" Last edited by bry623; 01-20-2006 at 02:29 PM. Reason: DISCLAIMER ADDED SO THOSE UNDER 21 WOULD GET THE HUMOR

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jgvernonco Old Timer Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Northern Arizona Posts: 7,958 OS: Vista Home Premium, SP 27	The fire retardant that they originally sprayed on the steel (ceilings/floors)contained a significant amount of asbestos) . They only had enough money to fix about 6 floors per year, and they were doing so. I have yet to see any clinical research on the survivors, re aqsbestos, but part of the may be that the asbestos was on the upper floors, which burned and let to the collapse. Folks who survived that area were so inundated with smoke containing plastics and other synthetics that it might be difficult to attribute death to one single thing. Unfortunately, the study group would not be that large, as many if not most of the people on those higher floors died in the building, or soon thereafter. __________________ Donations keep TSF moving forward. Please help. http://www.myspace.com/speedbumpthecelt