First San Andreas, now The Sims 2?

**ReeKorl** · 07-27-2005, 02:12 AM

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Originally Posted by PC Zone

NO SAUCE IN SIMS 2, SAYS EA

Miami Attorney finishes Hot Coffee and stirs up stripper Sims speculation

10:36 Not content with the successful slapping of an 'Adults Only' rating on GTA: San Andreas last week, effectively forcing a recall of all remaining products lingering around US stores, Jack Thompson, Miami Attorney, has now set his sights on a far more unlikely target.
This time it's EA's The Sims 2 that's threatening to corrupt our children and rip the walking frames from under the feet of pensioners across the globe. Thompson's problem? Apparently, determined hackers can remove the nudity blur in the game, revealing the tiny pixel people in all their wobbly glory - well, in theory at least.

As Thompson puts it, the game includes "full frontal nudity, including nipples, penises, labia, and pubic hair." Basically, an entire grot flick's worth of filth. He continues, "The nudity placed there by the publisher/maker, Electronic Arts, is accessed by the use of a simple code that removes what is called 'the blur' which obscures the genital areas. In other words, the game was released to the public by the manufacturer knowing that the full frontal nudity was resident on the game and would be accessed by use of a simple code widely provided on the Internet."

If that little nugget wasn't enough to get the tabloids up in arms, Thompson's eyes presumably bulge even further as he notes the inclusion of tastefully obscured, yet kitless kids, "much to the delight, one can be sure, of paedophiles around the globe who can rehearse, in virtual reality, for their abuse."
If this were true, then Thompson's tireless tirade against the industry might finally have reached fruition. However, there are a few minor issues stopping this from being the biggest software scandal since, well, the Hot Coffee scare. Firstly, Thompson's argument is entirely hypothetical at the moment and, unlike the GTA case, no hacker has actually gone to the bother of cracking the game.

Furthermore, in a statement to Gamespot, EA's VP of Corporate Communications, Jeff Brown, states: "This is nonsense. We've reviewed 100 percent of the content. There is no content inappropriate for a teen audience. Players never see a nude sim. If someone with an extreme amount of expertise and time were to remove the pixels, they would see that the sims have no genitals." In other words, whip off the blur and your starkers Sims are about as titillating as an naked inch-high Barbie doll.

In an amazing bout of persistence however, Thompson seems happy to ignore the facts, concluding that EA is "cooperating, gleefully, with the mod community to turn Sims 2 into a porn offering."

Although bound to generate nothing more than resigned eye-rolling in the games industry, it will be interesting to see whether Thompson eventually backs down, should EA see fit to deploy it's PR and legal frontline in defense of it's most profitable franchise.

What the ****?!?!?

OK, first off, I have to agree on one point - the censor grid (that pixelated fuzz) can be turned off with a simple code, and not "an extreme amount of expertise and time" - I can remember it straight off: intprop censorgridsize 0. However, what is this guy on about?

First off, the Hot Coffee mod (note it's even called a mod, so it wasn't designed to be there by the creators) does require third party patching - if you're going to take the time and effort to do that for what amounts to two badly animated characters jiggling up and down a bit, then you have far too much time on your hands. It doesn't even add much to gameplay, it's just plain boring to be honest. If you want something similar or better, look on the net for 5 seconds, you'll come across something.

Second, what the **** is he talking about, "much to the delight, one can be sure, of paedophiles around the globe who can rehearse, in virtual reality, for their abuse" - I'm sure none of them even thought about it until he brought it up, and none of them will think twice about it. People like that are weird in the head, and looking at (very) small animated children in the nude isn't going to get them off, it isn't going to help them 'plan' anything, it's not interesting to them. A large portion of Japanese Anime porn shows schoolgirls who are underage (no matter how many times it says they are all 18, there's no way they are if you think about it - how many 18 year olds do you see in..... I don't know what you guys call it but I think it's like 10th grade? about the 15-16 age area, anyway. They are mostly in this school year.) - does this make anyone who watches hentai a paedophile? No.

Thirdly, the Sims (the original) shipped without a censor grid unlock code - but a patch came out soon after to allow you to do just that. EA knows this and they didn't want people hacking around with the code, so they built in the feature to turn it off using a code. If they now are forced to bring out a version with the grid locked in place, someone will release a patch soon afterwards. You won't have stopped anything, Mr. Thompson.

What is with this guy? Does he have nothing better to do with his time than to go around spoiling everyone else's fun? Oh, wait, he doesn't, he's an attorney.

**DumberDrummer** · 07-27-2005, 10:26 AM

I think both are ridiculous. If you are going to spend the time required to download Hot Coffee, then you are probably already looking at plenty of porn on the internet, and there is something wrong with you.

Second of all, I remember the original sims. All you had to do was put in a move item cheat and move them while they were in the shower or tub or something. It was exactly like a barbie doll, nothing to gawk at.

And there were nude sim kits, but like hot coffee, it took work. It wasn't like you could just go out and press a few buttons and you saw it. The majority of the population, it isn't something that everyone knew how to do.

I hate attorneys like this, who pick on the video game industry. I'm reminded of that one guy, I can't remember his name, but he was always going on about violence in video games.

**Fox** · 07-27-2005, 10:38 AM

That guy is full of 100 percent premium grade bull. What does he think he is, some crusader for the protection of youth? Battling endlessly against those pedophiles/communists/sexmongers?

What a foolish person.

Volt-Schwibe · 07-27-2005, 12:57 PM

see, the difference here, is that rockstar games has supposedly included that footage, of the mini games.

all that you need is a tiny hack that flips one of the pigeonholes in the program, allowing you to see it.

as far as the sims, the racy content was not included in the game, you had to download it, as an actual skin file. (censor.cmx)

you have to replace the originally family safe censor file with a nude skin.

that is in no way their fault.

and i don't know about the sims2, but it's probably the same thing, where you have to download and add the nude censor, meaning that it's a far cry different from a tiny hack that changes a pigeonhole value.

**40sondacurb** · 07-27-2005, 03:49 PM

I agree wiht the adult only rating for GTA but not with the sims thing. In GTA the makers of the game included that content for their own sick purposes, and deserved what they got. But the thing with the sims would be like having to be 18 over to buy a VCR. The thing can be used to play porn so maybe we should put an age limit on buying one, lest a kid happens upon a video. That's the logic this wacko's using.

**Spatcher** · 07-27-2005, 07:02 PM

That guy's probably jealous because he doesn't have those games lol!! But that is BS, what next?? Making rated "R" movies actually for 17+, cancelling reruns on Nick-at-Nite due to crude humor

*That would be a big no-no if they cancelled my Nick-at-Nite!!!!

*

**ReeKorl** · 07-28-2005, 05:33 AM

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Originally Posted by WaltSide

and i don't know about the sims2, but it's probably the same thing, where you have to download and add the nude censor, meaning that it's a far cry different from a tiny hack that changes a pigeonhole value.

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Originally Posted by ReeKorl

intprop censorgridsize 0

Type it into the console and it turns off the fuzz. No patching, no downloading, nothing.

**Fox** · 07-28-2005, 10:49 AM

Oh well. If Ao is 18+ and R is 17+, then I've seen a whole lot more out of any R movie than from the worst of video games.

**40sondacurb** · 07-28-2005, 01:27 PM

The differance is that one is pornography and one is just bad. If you were a bad parent when you bought your kid the M title you were an idiot but it wasn't criminal; but when you buy your kid an Adult rated game your in violation of law and the state can use this action as a reason to fine you or even take away your kid if they so choose technicaly.

thomsonmg2000 · 07-28-2005, 02:06 PM

*rolls eyes* let's see, iraq war, budget defifcits, gun violence, oh look, sims 2 has some pron! Let's launch a huge investigation against it... doesnt make sense.

~~Leroy77~~ · 07-28-2005, 07:36 PM

Sigh........nice to see the word "pedophilia" being thrown around again to promote some lawyer's quest for glory......

**RavenMind** · 07-29-2005, 04:41 AM

Agreed, another 'save the children' rallying cry.

Nice distinction 40's. I don't know if any states consider an adult rated game to be pornography, but there sure could be a good case for it. In that case the Department of Child & Family Services (or equivalents) could certainly be called in.

That's what this whole ratings war could ammount to. Probable cause to lose your kid because you bought him a video game vs just plain bad parenting.

~~Leroy77~~ · 07-29-2005, 10:44 AM

I for one am sick to death of hearing about how video games are corrupting our youth. Every Christmas they start pissing and moaning how you shouldn't buy them what is likely the hottest and most anticipated game of the year that all their friends will be getting. I have been committing digital murder my entire life, from jumping on goombas, to blasting zombies with shotguns, to capping simulated soldiers. I have never once been to jail, and the only fistfights I've been in were not my idea. I don't cackle gleefully in a murderous frenzy as the media would have you believe, it's just a entertaining little distraction.

PS: Many teenagers have already DONE the hot coffee thing, they don't need a video game to teach them how. Anyone who doesn't believe that is deluding themselves.

**RavenMind** · 07-30-2005, 04:01 AM

I agree Leroy. If people would stop whining about things like TV, video games & movies & spend half as much time actually paying attention to their child & being parents, then this world would be a much less effed up place. It seems to me that 98% of the time it's just an effort to shunt responsibilty for their own bad parenting off onto external things they can point their fingers at.

~~Leroy77~~ · 07-30-2005, 10:52 AM

Exactly, It's the invisible elephant in the room no one is supposed to acknowledge. With 98% of the ***holes I met up with in my high school career, most of them were welfare kids. Now I'm not saying that everyone on welfare is a train wreck, but that seems to be the general consensus around here. The majority of the time mommy and/or daddy is alcoholic/ does drugs/ went to jail, etc. I've seen it too many times for anyone to tell me otherwise. You're exactly right that this country needs to stop shifting the blame for our social ills on convenient but irrelevant targets. Anybody up for singing a round of "Blame Canada?".

yustr · 08-01-2005, 12:51 PM

Noticed that Circuit City pulled GTA-SA because it now carries a AO rating and "It's been CC's long-standing policy not to carry games with that rating."

My criticism is that, like the movies, a game gets an AO rating for showing some bare skin but only M if there's decapitation and such. The false Puritanism nauseates me.

**40sondacurb** · 08-01-2005, 01:00 PM

well it's easyer to talk to your kids about violence, but not so easy to have the big discussion abot sex. I'd rather have my kid asking me wether or not it's ok to kill a pedestrian than what position is better, doggy style or missionary. One is just easyer to answer, know what I mean?

yustr · 08-01-2005, 01:21 PM

I tell my 18yo to be "Safe" and we had the "You don't want to be a daddy yet" discussion. As for the rest, discovering is half the fun.

I have another thought concerning priorities but it's probably not appropiate for this forum. PM me if you want my opinion.

~~Leroy77~~ · 08-01-2005, 04:36 PM

Perhaps Jack Nicholson said it best: "If you suck on a breast it's rated "R", if you cut it off with a sword it's rated "PG-13".

(Quote has been slightly edited by me for family value compliance.)

Grandmaster_Z · 08-04-2005, 08:59 AM

I don't get why AO rated game is pulled from stores, yet those same stores will sell R-rated movies

07-27-2005, 10:26 AM	#2 (permalink)
DumberDrummer Cymru am byth Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Oregon Posts: 5,385 OS: Windows XP Pro SP2 My System	I think both are ridiculous. If you are going to spend the time required to download Hot Coffee, then you are probably already looking at plenty of porn on the internet, and there is something wrong with you. Second of all, I remember the original sims. All you had to do was put in a move item cheat and move them while they were in the shower or tub or something. It was exactly like a barbie doll, nothing to gawk at. And there were nude sim kits, but like hot coffee, it took work. It wasn't like you could just go out and press a few buttons and you saw it. The majority of the population, it isn't something that everyone knew how to do. I hate attorneys like this, who pick on the video game industry. I'm reminded of that one guy, I can't remember his name, but he was always going on about violence in video games. __________________ Living with Louie dog's the only way to stay sane _____________________________________________ ... and with those words so begins my lifetime of longing for the devil's warm embrace

07-27-2005, 12:57 PM	#4 (permalink)
Volt-Schwibe Asst. Manager, Automotive Forums; HJT Trainee Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Behind you, watching you as you type. Posts: 7,372 OS: Click "My System" to view details My System	see, the difference here, is that rockstar games has supposedly included that footage, of the mini games. all that you need is a tiny hack that flips one of the pigeonholes in the program, allowing you to see it. as far as the sims, the racy content was not included in the game, you had to download it, as an actual skin file. (censor.cmx) you have to replace the originally family safe censor file with a nude skin. that is in no way their fault. and i don't know about the sims2, but it's probably the same thing, where you have to download and add the nude censor, meaning that it's a far cry different from a tiny hack that changes a pigeonhole value. __________________ <signature> TSF is funded by our Admin's pocket, care to help? Power Tip: Subscribe to your thread (Thread Tools) to receive an instant email notification when you get a reply. New Members: Creating a single new thread in the correct section is the best way to assure your thread will receive a reply. </signature>

07-27-2005, 03:49 PM	#5 (permalink)
40sondacurb Don't be a menace Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 6,285 OS: Vista sp2	I agree wiht the adult only rating for GTA but not with the sims thing. In GTA the makers of the game included that content for their own sick purposes, and deserved what they got. But the thing with the sims would be like having to be 18 over to buy a VCR. The thing can be used to play porn so maybe we should put an age limit on buying one, lest a kid happens upon a video. That's the logic this wacko's using. __________________ Donate to keep the forum running

07-28-2005, 01:27 PM	#9 (permalink)
40sondacurb Don't be a menace Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 6,285 OS: Vista sp2	The differance is that one is pornography and one is just bad. If you were a bad parent when you bought your kid the M title you were an idiot but it wasn't criminal; but when you buy your kid an Adult rated game your in violation of law and the state can use this action as a reason to fine you or even take away your kid if they so choose technicaly. __________________ Donate to keep the forum running

07-30-2005, 04:01 AM	#14 (permalink)
RavenMind Lazy Bum Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Salt Lake Posts: 1,015 OS: XP Home SP3/Vista	I agree Leroy. If people would stop whining about things like TV, video games & movies & spend half as much time actually paying attention to their child & being parents, then this world would be a much less effed up place. It seems to me that 98% of the time it's just an effort to shunt responsibilty for their own bad parenting off onto external things they can point their fingers at. Last edited by RavenMind; 07-30-2005 at 04:03 AM.

07-27-2005, 10:38 AM	#3 (permalink)
Fox TSF Enthusiast Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: NJ Posts: 7,752 OS: XP Pro, CentOS My System	That guy is full of 100 percent premium grade bull. What does he think he is, some crusader for the protection of youth? Battling endlessly against those pedophiles/communists/sexmongers? What a foolish person.

07-27-2005, 07:02 PM	#6 (permalink)
Spatcher Henry Join Date: Apr 2005 Posts: 3,484 OS: Mac OSX	That guy's probably jealous because he doesn't have those games lol!! But that is BS, what next?? Making rated "R" movies actually for 17+, cancelling reruns on Nick-at-Nite due to crude humor That would be a big no-no if they cancelled my Nick-at-Nite!!!!

07-28-2005, 10:49 AM	#8 (permalink)
Fox TSF Enthusiast Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: NJ Posts: 7,752 OS: XP Pro, CentOS My System	Oh well. If Ao is 18+ and R is 17+, then I've seen a whole lot more out of any R movie than from the worst of video games.

07-28-2005, 02:06 PM	#10 (permalink)
thomsonmg2000 Registered User Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: USA Posts: 96 OS: winxp, win vista	rolls eyes let's see, iraq war, budget defifcits, gun violence, oh look, sims 2 has some pron! Let's launch a huge investigation against it... doesnt make sense.

07-28-2005, 07:36 PM	#11 (permalink)
~~Leroy77~~ Permanently Banned Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 236 OS: Windows XP Pro/2000 Pro	Sigh........nice to see the word "pedophilia" being thrown around again to promote some lawyer's quest for glory......

07-29-2005, 04:41 AM	#12 (permalink)
RavenMind Lazy Bum Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Salt Lake Posts: 1,015 OS: XP Home SP3/Vista	Agreed, another 'save the children' rallying cry. Nice distinction 40's. I don't know if any states consider an adult rated game to be pornography, but there sure could be a good case for it. In that case the Department of Child & Family Services (or equivalents) could certainly be called in. That's what this whole ratings war could ammount to. Probable cause to lose your kid because you bought him a video game vs just plain bad parenting.

07-29-2005, 10:44 AM	#13 (permalink)
~~Leroy77~~ Permanently Banned Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 236 OS: Windows XP Pro/2000 Pro	I for one am sick to death of hearing about how video games are corrupting our youth. Every Christmas they start pissing and moaning how you shouldn't buy them what is likely the hottest and most anticipated game of the year that all their friends will be getting. I have been committing digital murder my entire life, from jumping on goombas, to blasting zombies with shotguns, to capping simulated soldiers. I have never once been to jail, and the only fistfights I've been in were not my idea. I don't cackle gleefully in a murderous frenzy as the media would have you believe, it's just a entertaining little distraction. PS: Many teenagers have already DONE the hot coffee thing, they don't need a video game to teach them how. Anyone who doesn't believe that is deluding themselves.

07-30-2005, 10:52 AM	#15 (permalink)
~~Leroy77~~ Permanently Banned Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 236 OS: Windows XP Pro/2000 Pro	Exactly, It's the invisible elephant in the room no one is supposed to acknowledge. With 98% of the ***holes I met up with in my high school career, most of them were welfare kids. Now I'm not saying that everyone on welfare is a train wreck, but that seems to be the general consensus around here. The majority of the time mommy and/or daddy is alcoholic/ does drugs/ went to jail, etc. I've seen it too many times for anyone to tell me otherwise. You're exactly right that this country needs to stop shifting the blame for our social ills on convenient but irrelevant targets. Anybody up for singing a round of "Blame Canada?".

08-01-2005, 12:51 PM	#16 (permalink)
yustr Asst. Manager, The Conversation Pit Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Connecticut shore Posts: 6,044 OS: XP Pro My System	Noticed that Circuit City pulled GTA-SA because it now carries a AO rating and "It's been CC's long-standing policy not to carry games with that rating." My criticism is that, like the movies, a game gets an AO rating for showing some bare skin but only M if there's decapitation and such. The false Puritanism nauseates me. __________________ If there are lawyers or politicians involved, logic may be a very poor tool for reaching a conclusion.

08-01-2005, 01:00 PM	#17 (permalink)
40sondacurb Don't be a menace Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 6,285 OS: Vista sp2	well it's easyer to talk to your kids about violence, but not so easy to have the big discussion abot sex. I'd rather have my kid asking me wether or not it's ok to kill a pedestrian than what position is better, doggy style or missionary. One is just easyer to answer, know what I mean? __________________ Donate to keep the forum running

08-01-2005, 01:21 PM	#18 (permalink)
yustr Asst. Manager, The Conversation Pit Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Connecticut shore Posts: 6,044 OS: XP Pro My System	I tell my 18yo to be "Safe" and we had the "You don't want to be a daddy yet" discussion. As for the rest, discovering is half the fun. I have another thought concerning priorities but it's probably not appropiate for this forum. PM me if you want my opinion. __________________ If there are lawyers or politicians involved, logic may be a very poor tool for reaching a conclusion.

08-01-2005, 04:36 PM	#19 (permalink)
~~Leroy77~~ Permanently Banned Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 236 OS: Windows XP Pro/2000 Pro	Perhaps Jack Nicholson said it best: "If you suck on a breast it's rated "R", if you cut it off with a sword it's rated "PG-13". (Quote has been slightly edited by me for family value compliance.)

08-04-2005, 08:59 AM	#20 (permalink)
Grandmaster_Z Registered User Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Florida Posts: 108 OS: WinXP Pro	I don't get why AO rated game is pulled from stores, yet those same stores will sell R-rated movies