New Jersey is messed up

**Fox** · 07-26-2005, 11:06 AM

http://kyw.com/Local%20News/local_story_205134803.html

New Jersey proposes auto smoking ban, with 250 dollar fines for offenders.

All because a legislator's dad died of emphysema. What a joke! Why should people not be able to smoke in their own cars? Why not ban eating and drinking coffee in cars too, I'm sure more people died from distractions relating to in-car meals than from smoking.

bry623 · 07-26-2005, 11:17 AM

What did you expect from a state that won't let you pump your own gas?

**Fox** · 07-26-2005, 11:20 AM

True. That's what you get from a state whose legislators have personal vendettas and try and push them through with legislature. We already lost the right to use cell phones in our cars...

**Sealy** · 07-26-2005, 12:01 PM

:nonono: That's just crazy..and what do you mean NJ won't let you pump your own gas?!?! Why?

**Fox** · 07-26-2005, 12:04 PM

I guess it was an attempt to create jobs...but from where I'm standing it's a violation of rights

**Jason** · 07-26-2005, 12:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Fox

! Why should people not be able to smoke in their own cars? Why not ban eating and drinking coffee in cars too.

The open cantainer law covers drinking I believe, as of to my knowledge it covers all beverages, but I could be wrong.

I personaly can care less if you smoke in your car, just don't through your butts out the window. I hate that with a passion. Its even worse when these people do it when we are in a drought.

**DumberDrummer** · 07-26-2005, 12:15 PM

I don't see not being able to pump your own gas as a violation of rights, I see it as a convinience. I don't have to get out of my car to fill it up.

Maybe it ups gas prices, I don't know....

Auto smoking ban? What does that have to do with someones dad dying of smoking? They are still going to smoke, just not in their cars, and they'll just piss off a big voter segment.

**Fox** · 07-26-2005, 12:18 PM

A convenience maybe but it's a law.

The legislator that wants to get this passed had his dad die of emphysema and now he's out for blood in the form of pissing everyone off.

yustr · 07-26-2005, 12:24 PM

I'm sure the reason they give is "it's a distraction" which it is. But we already have a law against not paying attention while operating a motor vehicle. Same thing with cell phones. Why not radios too? How about putting on makeup? Reading books? (I'm sure we've all seen fools doing these and more.)

Re: eating and drinking. During my time in Germany it was unthinkable that a driver would eat or drink while they drove. In fact, none of the cars came with cup holders. You should have seen the looks we got as we drove on the autobahn munching a slice of pizza. (Fox, is this still the case?)

**40sondacurb** · 07-26-2005, 01:59 PM

I've had my fair share of singed clothes from smoking in the car, and that's not even when I was driving.

**Fox** · 07-26-2005, 04:30 PM

I don't really know if it's still the case, but I do know that the family I stayed with was alright with it- we had granola bars or something on the way back from the Netherlands. But it's true about the cupholders- German automakers usually balk at the idea of something like that.

**Terrister** · 07-26-2005, 07:42 PM

Does anyone know if they still have the no self serve gas law in Oregon? That is the only place I had ever seen that.

Sorry, never been to Jersey.

**DumberDrummer** · 07-26-2005, 07:51 PM

Yes there is no self-serve gas in oregon.

**Terrister** · 07-26-2005, 07:58 PM

Wow, have not been there since the mid 80's. Thought it would have changed by now.

Any other states think the average person is to dumb to pump their on gas?

bry623 · 07-27-2005, 06:33 AM

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Originally Posted by yustr

I'm sure the reason they give is "it's a distraction" which it is. But we already have a law against not paying attention while operating a motor vehicle. Same thing with cell phones. Why not radios too? How about putting on makeup? Reading books? (I'm sure we've all seen fools doing these and more.)

Re: eating and drinking. During my time in Germany it was unthinkable that a driver would eat or drink while they drove. In fact, none of the cars came with cup holders. You should have seen the looks we got as we drove on the autobahn munching a slice of pizza. (Fox, is this still the case?)

Anyone with small children know they are the biggest distraction. Twin A takes Twin B's bear. B hits A. A hits B. Dad pulls the car over so mom can hit them both.

What about road construction, that can be distracting to see a huge crane at work.

That's the problem with legislators. Most of them are lawyers, so they make the laws vague and open to interpretation. This leads to the courts having to clarify the law. If Congress doesn't want judges legislating from the bench, make better laws.

Oh my, I think I just steered this one towards politics,

**Fox** · 07-27-2005, 08:27 AM

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Anyone with small children know they are the biggest distraction. Twin A takes Twin B's bear. B hits A. A hits B. Dad pulls the car over so mom can hit them both.

That's what the one-handed chauffeur reach around is for

So yeah, I'm thinking we should outlaw small children. A national law this time.

**Sealy** · 07-27-2005, 08:37 AM

Im all for that one ;)

My mom still tells me the story of how the worst wreck she ALMOST had was when she turned around to see what I was doing in the back seat.
Iv got a law Id like passed... no dogs in back of pick up trucks * which is also distracting and not to mention dangerous* Keep to dog in the cab or inside the car, buckled in the seat belt or crated . And back on topic, if all states go to no self serve gas, then you can always let your dog pay the pumper for ya :D

**DumberDrummer** · 07-27-2005, 10:30 AM

I still fail to see why people want to pump their own gas....

maybe I'm just lazy?

**Fox** · 07-27-2005, 10:32 AM

Probably because adds like 20 cents to each gallon because of all the extra people they have to pay to work there. Gas here is like 2.55 a gallon right now

**uripyores** · 07-27-2005, 10:56 AM

You think you've got problems?
Here in the UK a woman was prosecuted in court for eating an apple whilst driving through the town.
Another young guy was done for "having his music up too loud".
The police spokesperson went on TV trying to justify it.

Doesn't it make you angry,they do anything to make money out of drivers.

07-26-2005, 11:06 AM	#1 (permalink)
Fox TSF Enthusiast Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: NJ Posts: 7,752 OS: XP Pro, CentOS My System	New Jersey is messed up http://kyw.com/Local%20News/local_story_205134803.html New Jersey proposes auto smoking ban, with 250 dollar fines for offenders. All because a legislator's dad died of emphysema. What a joke! Why should people not be able to smoke in their own cars? Why not ban eating and drinking coffee in cars too, I'm sure more people died from distractions relating to in-car meals than from smoking.

07-26-2005, 11:17 AM	#2 (permalink)
bry623 Manager, The Conversation Pit/Analyst, Security Team Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: NW Territory circa 1787 Posts: 11,692 OS: winxp pro sp2	What did you expect from a state that won't let you pump your own gas? __________________ "If you aren't a liberal when you're 20, you have no heart. If you aren't a conservative when you are 50, you have no brain"

07-26-2005, 12:01 PM	#4 (permalink)
Sealy Resident Brat Emeritus :P Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Margaritaville Posts: 2,045 OS: XP(home)	:nonono: That's just crazy..and what do you mean NJ won't let you pump your own gas?!?! Why? __________________ ~Brightest Blessings~ Sealy Kim --------------------- Ná glac pioc comhairle gan comhairle ban. O Autumn. Laden with fruit, and stained With the blood of the grape, pass not, but sit Beneath my shady roof, there thou may'st rest, And tune thy jolly voice to my fresh pipe; And all the daughters of the year shall dance, Sing now the lusty song of fruits and flowers. -William Blake- Contributions will not go unnoticed.

07-26-2005, 12:15 PM	#7 (permalink)
DumberDrummer Cymru am byth Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Oregon Posts: 5,385 OS: Windows XP Pro SP2 My System	I don't see not being able to pump your own gas as a violation of rights, I see it as a convinience. I don't have to get out of my car to fill it up. Maybe it ups gas prices, I don't know.... Auto smoking ban? What does that have to do with someones dad dying of smoking? They are still going to smoke, just not in their cars, and they'll just piss off a big voter segment. __________________ Living with Louie dog's the only way to stay sane _____________________________________________ ... and with those words so begins my lifetime of longing for the devil's warm embrace

07-26-2005, 12:24 PM	#9 (permalink)
yustr Asst. Manager, The Conversation Pit Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Connecticut shore Posts: 6,049 OS: XP Pro My System	I'm sure the reason they give is "it's a distraction" which it is. But we already have a law against not paying attention while operating a motor vehicle. Same thing with cell phones. Why not radios too? How about putting on makeup? Reading books? (I'm sure we've all seen fools doing these and more.) Re: eating and drinking. During my time in Germany it was unthinkable that a driver would eat or drink while they drove. In fact, none of the cars came with cup holders. You should have seen the looks we got as we drove on the autobahn munching a slice of pizza. (Fox, is this still the case?) __________________ If there are lawyers or politicians involved, logic may be a very poor tool for reaching a conclusion.

07-26-2005, 11:20 AM	#3 (permalink)
Fox TSF Enthusiast Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: NJ Posts: 7,752 OS: XP Pro, CentOS My System	True. That's what you get from a state whose legislators have personal vendettas and try and push them through with legislature. We already lost the right to use cell phones in our cars...

07-26-2005, 12:04 PM	#5 (permalink)
Fox TSF Enthusiast Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: NJ Posts: 7,752 OS: XP Pro, CentOS My System	I guess it was an attempt to create jobs...but from where I'm standing it's a violation of rights

07-26-2005, 12:18 PM	#8 (permalink)
Fox TSF Enthusiast Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: NJ Posts: 7,752 OS: XP Pro, CentOS My System	A convenience maybe but it's a law. The legislator that wants to get this passed had his dad die of emphysema and now he's out for blood in the form of pissing everyone off.

07-26-2005, 01:59 PM	#10 (permalink)
40sondacurb Don't be a menace Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 6,285 OS: Vista sp2	I've had my fair share of singed clothes from smoking in the car, and that's not even when I was driving. __________________ Donate to keep the forum running

07-26-2005, 04:30 PM	#11 (permalink)
Fox TSF Enthusiast Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: NJ Posts: 7,752 OS: XP Pro, CentOS My System	I don't really know if it's still the case, but I do know that the family I stayed with was alright with it- we had granola bars or something on the way back from the Netherlands. But it's true about the cupholders- German automakers usually balk at the idea of something like that.

07-26-2005, 07:42 PM	#12 (permalink)
Terrister Moderator Hardware Forum Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: West Georgia, USA Posts: 7,098 OS: Xp	Does anyone know if they still have the no self serve gas law in Oregon? That is the only place I had ever seen that. Sorry, never been to Jersey. __________________

07-26-2005, 07:51 PM	#13 (permalink)
DumberDrummer Cymru am byth Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Oregon Posts: 5,385 OS: Windows XP Pro SP2 My System	Yes there is no self-serve gas in oregon. __________________ Living with Louie dog's the only way to stay sane _____________________________________________ ... and with those words so begins my lifetime of longing for the devil's warm embrace

07-26-2005, 07:58 PM	#14 (permalink)
Terrister Moderator Hardware Forum Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: West Georgia, USA Posts: 7,098 OS: Xp	Wow, have not been there since the mid 80's. Thought it would have changed by now. Any other states think the average person is to dumb to pump their on gas? __________________

07-27-2005, 08:37 AM	#17 (permalink)
Sealy Resident Brat Emeritus :P Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Margaritaville Posts: 2,045 OS: XP(home)	Im all for that one ;) My mom still tells me the story of how the worst wreck she ALMOST had was when she turned around to see what I was doing in the back seat. Iv got a law Id like passed... no dogs in back of pick up trucks * which is also distracting and not to mention dangerous* Keep to dog in the cab or inside the car, buckled in the seat belt or crated . And back on topic, if all states go to no self serve gas, then you can always let your dog pay the pumper for ya :D __________________ ~Brightest Blessings~ Sealy Kim --------------------- Ná glac pioc comhairle gan comhairle ban. O Autumn. Laden with fruit, and stained With the blood of the grape, pass not, but sit Beneath my shady roof, there thou may'st rest, And tune thy jolly voice to my fresh pipe; And all the daughters of the year shall dance, Sing now the lusty song of fruits and flowers. -William Blake- Contributions will not go unnoticed.

07-27-2005, 10:30 AM	#18 (permalink)
DumberDrummer Cymru am byth Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Oregon Posts: 5,385 OS: Windows XP Pro SP2 My System	I still fail to see why people want to pump their own gas.... maybe I'm just lazy? __________________ Living with Louie dog's the only way to stay sane _____________________________________________ ... and with those words so begins my lifetime of longing for the devil's warm embrace

07-27-2005, 10:32 AM	#19 (permalink)
Fox TSF Enthusiast Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: NJ Posts: 7,752 OS: XP Pro, CentOS My System	Probably because adds like 20 cents to each gallon because of all the extra people they have to pay to work there. Gas here is like 2.55 a gallon right now

07-27-2005, 10:56 AM	#20 (permalink)
uripyores Mush Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Durham UK Posts: 724 OS: XP Home/Pro [SP3]	You think you've got problems? Here in the UK a woman was prosecuted in court for eating an apple whilst driving through the town. Another young guy was done for "having his music up too loud". The police spokesperson went on TV trying to justify it. Doesn't it make you angry,they do anything to make money out of drivers.