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Old 01-15-2005, 02:25 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Is your Son a computer hacker?

As an enlightened, modern parent, I try to be as involved as possible in the lives of my six children. I encourage them to join team sports. I attend their teen parties with them to ensure no drinking or alcohol is on the premises. I keep a fatherly eye on the CDs they listen to and the shows they watch, the company they keep and the books they read. You could say I'm a model parent. My children have never failed to make me proud, and I can say without the slightest embellishment that I have the finest family in the USA.
Two years ago, my wife Carol and I decided that our children's education would not be complete without some grounding in modern computers. To this end, we bought our children a brand new Compaq to learn with. The kids had a lot of fun using the handful of application programs we'd bought, such as Adobe's Photoshop and Microsoft's Word, and my wife and I were pleased that our gift was received so well. Our son Peter was most entranced by the device, and became quite a pro at surfing the net. When Peter began to spend whole days on the machine, I became concerned, but Carol advised me to calm down, and that it was only a passing phase. I was content to bow to her experience as a mother, until our youngest daughter, Cindy, charged into the living room one night to blurt out: "Peter is a computer hacker!"

As you can imagine, I was amazed. A computer hacker in my own house! I began to monitor my son's habits, to make certain that Cindy wasn't just telling stories, as she is prone to doing at times.
After a few days of investigation, and some research into computer hacking, I confronted Peter with the evidence. I'm afraid to say, this was the only time I have ever been truly disappointed in one of my children. We raised them to be honest and to have integrity, and Peter betrayed the principles we tried to encourage in him, when he refused point blank to admit to his activities. His denials continued for hours, and in the end, I was left with no choice but to ban him from using the computer until he is old enough to be responsible for his actions.
After going through this ordeal with my own family, I was left pondering how I could best help others in similar situations. I'd gained a lot of knowledge over those few days regarding hackers. It's only right that I provide that information to other parents, in the hope that they will be able to tell if their children are being drawn into the world of hacking. Perhaps other parents will be able to steer their sons back onto the straight and narrow before extreme measures need to be employed.
To this end, I have decided to publish the top ten signs that your son is a hacker. I advise any parents to read this list carefully and if their son matches the profile, they should take action. A smart parent will first try to reason with their son, before resorting to groundings, or even spanking. I pride myself that I have never had to spank a child, and I hope this guide will help other parents to put a halt to their son's misbehaviour before a spanking becomes necessary.
1. Has your son asked you to change ISPs?

Most American families use trusted and responsible Internet Service Providers, such as AOL. These providers have a strict "No Hacking" policy, and take careful measures to ensure that your internet experience is enjoyable, educational and above all legal. If your child is becoming a hacker, one of his first steps will be to request a change to a more hacker friendly provider.
I would advise all parents to refuse this request. One of the reasons your son is interested in switching providers is to get away from AOL's child safety filter. This filter is vital to any parent who wants his son to enjoy the internet without the endangering him through exposure to "adult" content. It is best to stick with the protection AOL provides, rather than using a home-based solution. If your son is becoming a hacker, he will be able to circumvent any home-based measures with surprising ease, using information gleaned from various hacker sites.
2. Are you finding programs on your computer that you don't remember installing?
Your son will probably try to install some hacker software. He may attempt to conceal the presence of the software in some way, but you can usually find any new programs by reading through the programs listed under "Install/Remove Programs" in your control panel. Popular hacker software includes "Comet Cursor", "Bonzi Buddy" and "Flash".
The best option is to confront your son with the evidence, and force him to remove the offending programs. He will probably try to install the software again, but you will be able to tell that this is happening, if your machine offers to "download" one of the hacker applications. If this happens, it is time to give your son a stern talking to, and possibly consider punishing him with a grounding.
3. Has your child asked for new hardware?
Computer hackers are often limited by conventional computer hardware. They may request "faster" video cards, and larger hard drives, or even more memory. If your son starts requesting these devices, it is possible that he has a legitimate need. You can best ensure that you are buying legal, trustworthy hardware by only buying replacement parts from your computer's manufacturer.
If your son has requested a new "processor" from a company called "AMD", this is genuine cause for alarm. AMD is a third-world based company who make inferior, "knock-off" copies of American processor chips. They use child labor extensively in their third world sweatshops, and they deliberately disable the security features that American processor makers, such as Intel, use to prevent hacking. AMD chips are never sold in stores, and you will most likely be told that you have to order them from internet sites. Do not buy this chip! This is one request that you must refuse your son, if you are to have any hope of raising him well.
4. Does your child read hacking manuals?
If you pay close attention to your son's reading habits, as I do, you will be able to
determine a great deal about his opinions and hobbies. Children are at their most impressionable in the teenage years. Any father who has had a seventeen year old daughter attempt to sneak out on a date wearing make up and perfume is well aware of the effect that improper influences can have on inexperienced minds.
There are, unfortunately, many hacking manuals available in bookshops today. A few titles to be on the lookout for are: "Snow Crash" and "Cryptonomicon" by Neal Stephenson; "Neuromancer" by William Gibson; "Programming with Perl" by Timothy O'Reilly; "Geeks" by Jon Katz; "The Hacker Crackdown" by Bruce Sterling; "Microserfs" by Douglas Coupland; "Hackers" by Steven Levy; and "The Cathedral and the Bazaar" by Eric S. Raymond.
If you find any of these hacking manuals in your child's possession, confiscate them immediately. You should also petition local booksellers to remove these titles from their shelves. You may meet with some resistance at first, but even booksellers have to bow to community pressure.
5. How much time does your child spend using the computer each day?
If your son spends more than thirty minutes each day on the computer, he may be using it to DOS other peoples sites. DOSing involves gaining access to the "command prompt" on other people's machines, and using it to tie up vital internet services. This can take up to eight hours. If your son is doing this, he is breaking the law, and you should stop him immediately. The safest policy is to limit your children's access to the computer to a maximum of forty-five minutes each day.
6. Does your son use Quake?
Quake is an online virtual reality used by hackers. It is a popular meeting place and training ground, where they discuss hacking and train in the use of various firearms. Many hackers develop anti-social tendencies due to the use of this virtual world, and it may cause erratic behaviour at home and at school.
If your son is using Quake, you should make hime understand that this is not acceptable to you. You should ensure all the firearms in your house are carefully locked away, and have trigger locks installed. You should also bring your concerns to the attention of his school.
7. Is your son becoming argumentative and surly in his social behaviour?
As a child enters the electronic world of hacking, he may become disaffected with the real world. He may lose the ability to control his actions, or judge the rightness or wrongness of a course of behaviour. This will manifest itself soonest in the way he treats others. Those whom he disagrees with will be met with scorn, bitterness, and even foul language. He may utter threats of violence of a real or electronic nature.
Even when confronted, your son will probably find it difficult to talk about this problem to you. He will probably claim that there is no problem, and that you are imagining things. He may tell you that it is you who has the problem, and you should "back off" and "stop smothering him." Do not allow yourself to be deceived. You are the only chance your son has, even if he doesn't understand the situation he is in. Keep trying to get through to him, no matter how much he retreats into himself.
8. Is your son obsessed with "Lunix"?
BSD, Lunix, Debian and Mandrake are all versions of an illegal hacker operation system, invented by a Soviet computer hacker named Linyos Torovoltos, before the Russians lost the Cold War. It is based on a program called "xenix", which was written by Microsoft for the US government. These programs are used by hackers to break into other people's computer systems to steal credit card numbers. They may also be used to break into people's stereos to steal their music, using the "mp3" program. Torovoltos is a notorious hacker, responsible for writing many hacker programs, such as "telnet", which is used by hackers to connect to machines on the internet without using a telephone.
Your son may try to install "lunix" on your hard drive. If he is careful, you may not notice its presence, however, lunix is a capricious beast, and if handled incorrectly, your son may damage your computer, and even break it completely by deleting Windows, at which point you will have to have your computer repaired by a professional.
If you see the word "LILO" during your windows startup (just after you turn the machine on), your son has installed lunix. In order to get rid of it, you will have to send your computer back to the manufacturer, and have them fit a new hard drive. Lunix is extremely dangerous software, and cannot be removed without destroying part of your hard disk surface.
9. Has your son radically changed his appearance?
If your son has undergone a sudden change in his style of dress, you may have a hacker on your hands. Hackers tend to dress in bright, day-glo colors. They may wear baggy pants, bright colored shirts and spiky hair dyed in bright colors to match their clothes. They may take to carrying "glow-sticks" and some wear pacifiers around their necks. (I have no idea why they do this) There are many such hackers in schools today, and your son may have started to associate with them. If you notice that your son's group of friends includes people dressed like this, it is time to think about a severe curfew, to protect him from dangerous influences.
10. Is your son struggling academically?
If your son is failing courses in school, or performing poorly on sports teams, he may be involved in a hacking group, such as the infamous "Otaku" hacker association. Excessive time spent on the computer, communicating with his fellow hackers may cause temporary damage to the eyes and brain, from the electromagnetic radiation. This will cause his marks to slip dramatically, particularly in difficult subjects such as Math, and Chemistry. In extreme cases, over-exposure to computer radiation can cause schizophrenia, meningitis and other psychological diseases. Also, the reduction in exercise may cause him to lose muscle mass, and even to start gaining weight. For
the sake of your child's mental and physical health, you must put a stop to his hacking, and limit his computer time drastically.
I encourage all parents to read through this guide carefully. Your child's future may depend upon it. Hacking is an illegal and dangerous activity, that may land your child in prison, and tear your family apart. It cannot be taken too seriously.
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Old 01-15-2005, 03:03 PM   #2 (permalink)
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Hmmm....not sure if this was a joke or not.....will respond as if it was meant to be serious.

Ya know, I don't discount everything you wrote (if in fact it is an original work). Some of it seems a bit overly paranoid to me as well. Using the general assumptions applied in many of your points, I would qualify as a hacker. My mother raised this 40 y/o male to have a healthy interest in knowledge and learning, which ultimately made me gravitate towards computers. I can certainly say, I am NOT a hacker by any means.

Since you really don't go into heavy detail about the "evidence" you confronted him with, let me comment on your points:

1. Yes, AOL is heavy on parental control, but it is also heavy on advertising and is NOT the true Internet. AOL is merely a portal, which does not come close to tapping the potential of the 'net. There is MUCH to be gained by dumping AOL as an ISP, especially if you want to learn more.

I do not consider any/all ISP's outside of AOL as "hacker-friendly" by any stretch of the imagination.

2. We have users here EVRYDAY that get the applications you list as "hacker software" on their PC's purely by accident or via an intentionally-hidden means created by spyware makers. These programs have nothing at all to do with hacking. Do you have better examples? What makes you think those simple browser plug-ins are used for hacking?

3. AMD is a strong and viable competitor to Intel in the world of processor chips. I am not going to defend any company doing business in a "sweatshop", but I must admit to NEVER hearing this before. AMD is a very good and lower-cost option to the Intel-dominated marketplace. AMD runs in two of my machines here, because I like the performance.

Again, what does hacking have to do with any of this?

4. Books, OK, I'll give you that one. I do not know those books. If those titles you list are in any way a correct blueprint for hacking, then OK. However, if I am correct, they are still all works of fiction. Did YOUR parents want you reading fictional stories by Edgar Allen Poe in fear that you'd cut out a man's heart and put it under the basement floor?

Sounds a bit paranoid to me.

5. How does how much time he spends online equal that he must be hacking? Of course, this is my livelihood and I do a LOT more than 45 min. I would not argue a parent's right to restrict access, as not to conflict with other studies or household duties, but just because you think he MIGHT start hacking seems again, bit paranoid.

6. A game? If he uses this game, he must be a hacker? Come on now.....

I'm not a "gamer", but lots of guys here would argue this one pretty hard too.

7. This sounds like normal teenagers to me. I recognize that kids today may be a bit less disrespectful than when I grew up (Oh Lord, I sound like my Dad). I would suspect this is normal rebellion and the general tenor of society as we know it today. This point is WAY open to interpretation.

8. If he uses Linux he must be a hacker? You obviously don't know enough about Linux. One of the most popular FREE operating systems ever devised, most folks use it to bypass many of the problems Microsoft has created in their various Windows OS's. This is coming from a MS devotee too! I would let the true "penguins" on this forum rebut this point. They have much more knowledge than I, but no way does this equal hacking either.

Hacking was around a LONG time before Linux came around. 1 + 1 does not equal 3 here.

9. I certainly wore things that my parnts did not approve of growing up. I would not waster too much space debating how a change or taste in clothing equals hacking......ludicrous.

10. Even more ludicrous assumption.......which one of you are actually on drugs here?



Pease tell me you found this story in some Jerry Falwell/Pat Robertson magazine about the EVILS of computing. Tell me that you're not as narrow thinking as this story implies. Tell me that this is just a farce....please......I need to make my pity for ths perspective go away.
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This is several years old and is nothing but a joke. However, to those that aren't very computer savy, it'll look like it's legit. It's more geek humor then anything else.
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Uhhhh...it sounds like a modern brady bunch.......not that hacking is good....just seems alot like the brady bunch...hmmm cindy and peter..six kids...and the laughing smiley at the bottom this is a joke if i ever saw one

"Comet Cursor", "Bonzi Buddy" and "Flash" lol

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Quake is an online virtual reality used by hackers.
hehe online game...pretty old, but one of the first online FPS

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Those are some of the first ones that caught my attention
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damn! I was writing my reply until I got to the list of signs and relised it was a piss-take!

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End this now!

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Well i know for a fact my son isnt a hacker - he is only 2.5 years old and watching Spongebob right now ! ;-)
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Well i know for a fact my son isnt a hacker - he is only 2.5 years old and watching Spongebob right now ! ;-)
Thats what you think ! You can't keep your eye on them all the time.
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OMG I need to stop playing Quake and start playing Doom, it's full of smart, legal people!
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Now i would say that is very unfair, i near enough match up to all of that, but im no hacker what so ever.
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The next thing that person would tell you is that your not only a hacker - but also schizophrenic - and your present identity is refusing to accept the existence of your hacker identity !! ;-)
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That whole thing sounds like a pamphlet handed out at a GOP convention!
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Ya had me believing you all the way up until "enlightened", at which point I began laughing uncontrollably.
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That whole thing sounds like a pamphlet handed out at a GOP convention!
I've been to a GOP convention and don't remember any handout like that. Nobody seems to believe it so maybe it's from the DNC.
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Probably not, but it just goes to show how completely ignorant some people can be (like the DA for Kevin Mitnick's hearing saying he could launch a nuclear missile by whistling through a phone- and the judge believing it). It's scary how easy it is for people to be sold on assumptions that hackers are omnipotent beings.
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