Take a Break, have a Shake, and eat a Cheesburger with Onions

**Fren Banklin** · 12-25-2008, 01:58 AM

Hot ones too, fresh and blackened off the grill, he burnt them on purpose, and with great reverence for his art, and it took me by surprise. The men all stood around watching to see if he was going to like it.

They grilled their buns crispy, before the factory started rolling them out undercooked, doughy and practically raw. Hot cooked bread is good eating. I want to go to Trinidad and have that famous sandwich they have, the one that I saw on TV. And I'd have to try both, and see who's was better. You could build an entire industry on that, right there. What does where YOU live, have ? Start a thread on that, and see what happens.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thelonious_Monk

Worth reading. Take a breather from your problem, and wait. Maybe someone will come by within the next 3 minutes or so. Or 5, or whatever. You can bail fast if necessary, or you can spend a lot of time wondering about things that do not have anything to do with your computer problems, or your life problems.

Or, if you are helping, this is a place you can go to create distance between yourself and the rage that you feel toward the arrogant people that till you things about their computers instead of listening to what you are saying and maybe fixing them, instead of wailing like children that they can't fix their computer.

The fact of the matter is that they can.

You can make them do it, and you can prove it.

Or you can prove it, and then "let" them do it.

Do they want to learn, or do they want to fix their computer ?

Both ? How much time do they think this is going to take ?

Do they want General Knowledge, or do they want to Specialize.

Both cost extra, but for different reasons.

Do you want to know a little bit, real fast ?

Or a whole lot of things, forever ?

If you learn by trial & error, things can get quite distorted.

**Cathy95820** · 12-25-2008, 01:45 PM

I like your last sentence. I will have to remember that next time I tinker with something with the premise....well, what harm can I do, it's not working now and the other outcome is to fix it, which is always followed by 95% of the time looking for the tool I walked off with and set somewhere and 5% actual tinkering ....lolol

**Fren Banklin** · 12-25-2008, 01:51 PM

Thank you very much. I appreciate that you read and thought about it, and then took the time to respond.

My thinking at the moment was more "global". When you rely on trial & error in order to learn, there are certain mistakes that do not seem nearly as "prohibitive" as you may have once believed.

Rember the first time you went into the Registry and started making changes ?

Afterwards, were you - A) More, or B) Less, likely to do something that "you weren't supposed to" ?

There are some situations that require you to learn (and believe in) everything at a "theoretical" level, and other situations where it is absolutely essential for you to completely disregard everything that everyone has ever told you, and do what you need to do regardless of the risk.

In the first case, the consequences can be too severe to risk failure, and in the second, stagnation sets in, and you rot into nothingness.

**Fren Banklin** · 12-25-2008, 02:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Cathy95820

I will have to remember that next time I tinker with something with the premise....well, what harm can I do, it's not working now and the other outcome is to fix it, which is always followed by 95% of the time looking for the tool I walked off with and set somewhere and 5% actual tinkering ....lolol

It's what this looks like when the tool is electronic, the "gear" is electronic, and you start to regard the people involved as electronic too. I can replace all of you, as necessary, is the self-destructive mind-set.

I'm thinking, the best future managers of the planet and of all humanity will be those that remain clear on the difference between electronic tools, electronic problems and electronic people. And I'd like to be one of them, and well-paid for being able to make the distinction.

**Cathy95820** · 12-27-2008, 09:24 AM

Well, at my age and lack of IT skills, I shall remain part of the elbow grease work force taking odd jobs no one wants to do themselves. Anyone need their yard shoveled?

Mcninjaguy · 12-27-2008, 02:38 PM

Well I wouldn't mind my yard shovelled (back yard)

its around 300ft long by around 50 ft wide

I have around 2- 3 feet of snow and currently its raining with a temp of -1C so its icy out there and snow is getting heavier

Feel up to it cathy?

Hey Fren banklin

I'm kinda lucky by the fact that a lot of my early computer fixing was kinda trial and error. like the first time I put in a cpu, I bent one of the tiny pins. I actually got the pins straightened out and it still works fine.

I like your view that we always need the people factor in life. Its important to have a need to fill and place in life. When you talk to someone in support about something, they may be reading a script but at least it not a automated machine.

**Fren Banklin** · 12-27-2008, 08:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cathy95820

Well, at my age and lack of IT skills, I shall remain part of the elbow grease work force taking odd jobs no one wants to do themselves. Anyone need their yard shoveled?

It was 80 degrees yesterday, and it would have hit 90 if the sky hadn't been completely overcast.

It's been 15 years since I've shoveled snow. I've been counting, and remembering what snowmobile boots were.

DonaldG · 12-28-2008, 04:43 AM

-5c here

Mcninjaguy · 12-28-2008, 09:21 AM

it's 9C today but yesterday there was freezing rain and 2 days ago it was -15C

sometimes within the span of 1 day the tempauture will change by 20-30C in the winter

12-25-2008, 01:58 AM	#1 (permalink)
Fren Banklin gone Join Date: Nov 2008 Posts: 1,912 OS: gone	Take a Break, have a Shake, and eat a Cheesburger with Onions Hot ones too, fresh and blackened off the grill, he burnt them on purpose, and with great reverence for his art, and it took me by surprise. The men all stood around watching to see if he was going to like it. They grilled their buns crispy, before the factory started rolling them out undercooked, doughy and practically raw. Hot cooked bread is good eating. I want to go to Trinidad and have that famous sandwich they have, the one that I saw on TV. And I'd have to try both, and see who's was better. You could build an entire industry on that, right there. What does where YOU live, have ? Start a thread on that, and see what happens. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thelonious_Monk Worth reading. Take a breather from your problem, and wait. Maybe someone will come by within the next 3 minutes or so. Or 5, or whatever. You can bail fast if necessary, or you can spend a lot of time wondering about things that do not have anything to do with your computer problems, or your life problems. Or, if you are helping, this is a place you can go to create distance between yourself and the rage that you feel toward the arrogant people that till you things about their computers instead of listening to what you are saying and maybe fixing them, instead of wailing like children that they can't fix their computer. The fact of the matter is that they can. You can make them do it, and you can prove it. Or you can prove it, and then "let" them do it. Do they want to learn, or do they want to fix their computer ? Both ? How much time do they think this is going to take ? Do they want General Knowledge, or do they want to Specialize. Both cost extra, but for different reasons. Do you want to know a little bit, real fast ? Or a whole lot of things, forever ? If you learn by trial & error, things can get quite distorted.

12-25-2008, 01:45 PM	#2 (permalink)
Cathy95820 TSF Enthusiast Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Sacramento, CA Posts: 2,368 OS: Windows XP Svs.Pk 3	Re: Take a Break, have a Shake, and eat a Cheesburger with Onions I like your last sentence. I will have to remember that next time I tinker with something with the premise....well, what harm can I do, it's not working now and the other outcome is to fix it, which is always followed by 95% of the time looking for the tool I walked off with and set somewhere and 5% actual tinkering ....lolol

12-25-2008, 01:51 PM	#3 (permalink)
Fren Banklin gone Join Date: Nov 2008 Posts: 1,912 OS: gone	Re: Take a Break, have a Shake, and eat a Cheesburger with Onions Thank you very much. I appreciate that you read and thought about it, and then took the time to respond. My thinking at the moment was more "global". When you rely on trial & error in order to learn, there are certain mistakes that do not seem nearly as "prohibitive" as you may have once believed. Rember the first time you went into the Registry and started making changes ? Afterwards, were you - A) More, or B) Less, likely to do something that "you weren't supposed to" ? There are some situations that require you to learn (and believe in) everything at a "theoretical" level, and other situations where it is absolutely essential for you to completely disregard everything that everyone has ever told you, and do what you need to do regardless of the risk. In the first case, the consequences can be too severe to risk failure, and in the second, stagnation sets in, and you rot into nothingness. Last edited by Fren Banklin; 12-25-2008 at 01:58 PM. Reason: change "to" to "too", lol... The quality of my creative posts will improve if they let me have unlimited editing power.

12-27-2008, 09:24 AM	#5 (permalink)
Cathy95820 TSF Enthusiast Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Sacramento, CA Posts: 2,368 OS: Windows XP Svs.Pk 3	Re: Take a Break, have a Shake, and eat a Cheesburger with Onions Well, at my age and lack of IT skills, I shall remain part of the elbow grease work force taking odd jobs no one wants to do themselves. Anyone need their yard shoveled?

12-27-2008, 02:38 PM	#6 (permalink)
Mcninjaguy Temporarily Banned Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Ottawa, Ontario, Canada Posts: 10,422 OS: Windows 7 Ultimate 64bit My System Blog Entries: 1	Re: Take a Break, have a Shake, and eat a Cheesburger with Onions Well I wouldn't mind my yard shovelled (back yard) its around 300ft long by around 50 ft wide I have around 2- 3 feet of snow and currently its raining with a temp of -1C so its icy out there and snow is getting heavier Feel up to it cathy? Hey Fren banklin I'm kinda lucky by the fact that a lot of my early computer fixing was kinda trial and error. like the first time I put in a cpu, I bent one of the tiny pins. I actually got the pins straightened out and it still works fine. I like your view that we always need the people factor in life. Its important to have a need to fill and place in life. When you talk to someone in support about something, they may be reading a script but at least it not a automated machine.

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12-28-2008, 09:21 AM	#9 (permalink)
Mcninjaguy Temporarily Banned Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Ottawa, Ontario, Canada Posts: 10,422 OS: Windows 7 Ultimate 64bit My System Blog Entries: 1	Re: Take a Break, have a Shake, and eat a Cheesburger with Onions it's 9C today but yesterday there was freezing rain and 2 days ago it was -15C sometimes within the span of 1 day the tempauture will change by 20-30C in the winter Last edited by Mcninjaguy; 12-28-2008 at 09:22 AM.